Board 8 > The Pokemon anime ditches Ash and Pikachu, two new protagonists in a new series

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Nanis23
12/16/22 5:42:48 AM
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This is...pretty big deal I think?
I never thought this would happen. Pikachu was the mascot of the series for over 25 years and without it...what are they going to do?
https://www.ign.com/articles/the-pokemon-animes-next-series-ditches-ash-for-two-new-protagonists

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SHINE_GET_64
12/16/22 5:49:27 AM
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Should just end the anime completely

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Inviso
12/16/22 6:16:41 AM
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Honestly, Pawmi/mo/mot is the best mascot since Pikachu, so if you're ever gonna reboot, now's the time.

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ZenOfThunder
12/16/22 6:30:36 AM
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I think the only bad thing about this is we finally could have seen Ash's Primeape again in an episode centering around Annihilape

overall a good move. Ash and Pikachu have had their time in the sun

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Leafeon13N
12/16/22 6:33:36 AM
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I hope there is a timeskip and Ash gets to age.
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most_games_r_ok
12/16/22 6:46:46 AM
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Leafeon13N posted...
I hope there is a timeskip and Ash gets to age.
This. If they are gonna finally let Ash go, at least let him grow up a bit and maybe show up later.

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voltch
12/16/22 6:55:08 AM
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Wonder if Oak retires if they do a timeskip.
He's already a p old dude.

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SeabassDebeste
12/16/22 8:11:13 AM
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whoa, that's pretty cool

sucks that ash actually got to accomplish stuff though - liked him failing on every big stage when i watched the show (though i still got hyped for stuff like charizard vs magmar and pikachu flying on charizard in the 2v2)

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MZero
12/16/22 8:12:42 AM
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There's gotta eventually be an epic showdown with Ash a la Gold and Silver

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ctesjbuvf
12/16/22 8:31:42 AM
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It feels so weird having it end after following it for literally as long as I can remember.

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XIII_Rocks
12/16/22 8:40:31 AM
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Had to be the end after becoming literally World Champion.

Looks like there's going to be 11 new Ash episodes to round off his character which is nice and respectful.

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hombad46
12/16/22 8:49:03 AM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
Looks like there's going to be 11 new Ash episodes to round off his character which is nice and respectful.

Literally the only thing I want from these episodes is for Ash to finally fulfill his promise and return for his Pidgeot. It's been 3000 years...

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JonThePenguin
12/16/22 8:52:53 AM
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hombad46 posted...
Literally the only thing I want from these episodes is for Ash to finally fulfill his promise and return for his Pidgeot. It's been 3000 years...
That promise was a dub change, might not even cross the writers minds.

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hombad46
12/16/22 8:56:41 AM
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Was it now? Darn. What did he say originally?

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XIII_Rocks
12/16/22 9:05:10 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/9/AAKKwUAAD_w5.jpg

Poster for the closing episodes indicates Pidgeot might return (along with literally everyone else)

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MZero
12/16/22 9:12:20 AM
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JonThePenguin posted...
That promise was a dub change, might not even cross the writers minds.

Not really. He definitely said he would come back for him in the original too

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voltch
12/16/22 9:18:02 AM
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Riko's hairpin is shaped like the symbol on Ash's old cap.
When can we speculate she's Ash's daughter and who the mother is?

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RoseChevalier
12/16/22 9:18:48 AM
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Butterfree front and center oh MAN

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BlueCrystalTear
12/16/22 9:19:46 AM
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This was incredibly obvious given how the last series was structured, even more so with how it ended and the cameos. I even said in the last Pokmon Anime topic that there was no place for them to go with Ash from there, so my thought was that after voicing him for over half her life that Rica Matsumoto (Ash's Japanese VA) was ready to retire. Because of how long it's been, they had to send Ash off with a bang.

I don't really care for anything new they're doing at this point. The story of Ash going from inept and inconsistent to the very best that no one ever was amounted to the only thing keeping me interested in even following it.

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Pirateking2000
12/16/22 9:56:22 AM
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voltch posted...
Riko's hairpin is shaped like the symbol on Ash's old cap.
When can we speculate she's Ash's daughter and who the mother is?

Guessing the mom is Serena or Dawn, moreso the latter due to the blue hair along with blue eyes. Unless they go the boring route and have the mom be someone entirely new

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BlueCrystalTear
12/16/22 9:57:40 AM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
Guessing the mom is Serena or Dawn, moreso the latter due to the blue hair along with blue eyes. Unless they go the boring route and have the mom be someone entirely new
If they're going this route... methinks the mother will be akin to Ash's father and wholly absent from the anime, leading to fan theories and debates for decades.

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Pirateking2000
12/16/22 10:05:19 AM
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Also I guess it could also be Lana

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masterplum
12/16/22 10:13:48 AM
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What ever happened to team rocket

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12/16/22 10:23:14 AM
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Is Team Rocket still around?

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XIII_Rocks
12/16/22 11:02:46 AM
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Yes they are and will appear in these final episodes too.

Not sure if they'll return in the new show, honestly I'd expect not.

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MartinFF7
12/16/22 11:07:21 AM
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what about that guy that had the Darkrai who was beasting everyone and then when it was defeated, his 2nd pokemon was another legendary (implying a full slate of ridiculously overpowered pokemon)

Did he ever show up again
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XIII_Rocks
12/16/22 11:12:12 AM
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No he was literally just there to fuck everything up

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12/16/22 11:16:49 AM
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Is this actually set years later and the girl is Ashs kid? Because I see people speculating that, but the only evidence I see is the hair clip, unless someone official said something I didnt see.

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voltch
12/16/22 11:34:19 AM
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With a name like Natasha and eyes like Serena, speculation is going to run rampant

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Nanis23
12/16/22 11:45:48 AM
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While I can see the anime following Ash's kid...I feel like they need to be very brave to pair him with someone
It will make a lot of shippers very mad lol

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UshiromiyaEva
12/16/22 11:51:06 AM
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Honestly I really like the designs of these new characters.

Or maybe it's just my biased obsession with underdyes coming out.

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BlueCrystalTear
12/16/22 11:55:14 AM
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MartinFF7 posted...
what about that guy that had the Darkrai who was beasting everyone and then when it was defeated, his 2nd pokemon was another legendary (implying a full slate of ridiculously overpowered pokemon)

Did he ever show up again
Tobias.

I heard Cynthia actually beat him despite him having an entire roster of hacked ubers but that was just the writers wanting to bury him and forget about it. His presence was twofold: One, to have someone for Ash to lose to and two, to say that legendary Pokmon were now legal in tournaments. I do think the latter has changed because of how many people wanting to win did what Tobias did and hacked them.

As great as Sinnoh was, the league left a lot to be desired outside of the epic Ash/Paul battle. That one battle was everything league battles should be, but because of the episode count it meant everything else was rushed. Tobias was created to do just that.

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GavsEvans123
12/16/22 1:06:20 PM
#33:


As unlikely as this is, let's go nuts and give Ash the movie Latias that kissed him! Everyone else is coming back after all. Maybe she could meet Serena and the two take an instant dislike to each other, seeing each other as competition for Ash's affections.

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Mewtwo59
12/16/22 1:10:38 PM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
Looks like there's going to be 11 new Ash episodes to round off his character which is nice and respectful.

He better get his revenge on Tobias in one of them. (No, I don't care that Tobias likely lost to Cynthia, who Ash beat. I want a direct win.)

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WhiteLens
12/16/22 1:13:30 PM
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voltch posted...
Riko's hairpin is shaped like the symbol on Ash's old cap.
When can we speculate she's Ash's daughter and who the mother is?

https://twitter.com/AleximoYT/status/1603715519281999872

Who knows until it starts airing.

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Pirateking2000
12/16/22 1:30:53 PM
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Anagram posted...
Is this actually set years later and the girl is Ashs kid? Because I see people speculating that, but the only evidence I see is the hair clip, unless someone official said something I didnt see.

Not confirmed. People are just assuming between her being heavily secretive as to who her parents are, being from Kanto, the hair clip, the super pokemon bond, and her being crazy good at battling.

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XIII_Rocks
12/16/22 1:47:35 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
As great as Sinnoh was, the league left a lot to be desired outside of the epic Ash/Paul battle. That one battle was everything league battles should be, but because of the episode count it meant everything else was rushed. Tobias was created to do just that.

To be honest, all leagues "leave a lot to be desired". They usually aren't long enough and typically only provide one really good battle. Hoenn, Unova and Kanto didn't even do that. The M8 provided two. But either way, the strength of the showpiece fight goes a long way to deciding if a league is "good".

The Tobias fight was his best league loss. It's actually a pretty entertaining episode and it's weirdly the best Ash looked in defeat in any of the first 5 leagues, despite the scoreline. The Conway fight was also good stuff, one of my favourite underrated battles. I'd say Sinnoh was maybe the best of them.

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LordoftheMorons
12/16/22 2:01:21 PM
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Man, that new male MC design is awful.

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GavsEvans123
12/16/22 5:04:52 PM
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I just watched the Ash finale trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VMGv2kKEI

Latias is coming back! I was joking about that earlier, but Latias is really coming back!

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12/16/22 5:30:43 PM
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Imagine if the girl is the daughter not of Dawn or Serena, but Latias

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Paratroopa1
12/16/22 7:38:11 PM
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Anagram posted...
Imagine if the girl is the daughter not of Dawn or Serena, but Latias
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Nanis23
12/17/22 10:18:04 AM
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The more I think about it the more I wonder what are they going to do with Pikachu

Getting rid of Ash is one thing...but getting rid of Pikachu is...pretty huge

Pokemon is the highest grossing media franchise. Most of it is because of merchandise. And from my visits to Pokemon Centers in Japan a few years ago, I assume something like 1/3 of the merchandise are Pikachu-related. There are so many of them! Like, look at all those-
https://i.imgur.com/tKllZCj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YQj8PyD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wyVqn3Q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sY0h7Lo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AouY90r.jpg

So many!

Now with Pikachu gone from the anime...will it kill Pikachu popularity? probably not, but I believe it will hit it somewhat.

So maybe they plan something, like bringing it back...or a totally different Pikachu (maybe even a female one with a different personallity)

The thing is, the Pokemon Company has some amazing marketing geniuses working for them so I am not worried, but I can't help but wonder what they are going to do with it

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most_games_r_ok
12/17/22 10:47:47 AM
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No way it dents the rat's popularity but if it does....all hail Charizard.

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RoseChevalier
12/17/22 10:48:27 AM
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ash x latias confirmed

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ZenOfThunder
12/17/22 11:16:06 AM
#46:


Pikachu no longer needs the anime to stay popular. He's up there with Mickey Mouse and Hello Kitty as eternal and recognizable now. Maybe in 15-20 years there might need to be a concentrated injection of Pikachu but a drip feed is fine for now

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12/17/22 12:04:26 PM
#47:


Alternatively, Ash could loan Pikachu to her, or she could have her own female Pikachu.

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NoFInBadger
12/17/22 12:38:40 PM
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Not gonna happen.

Maybe Ash will be gone for maybe 20-30 episodes and then come back as a mentor for the two new ones.

Remember when Brock was gone for...4 episodes in between "Gotta Catch You Later" and "You Never Can Taillow" lol

Ash ALWAYS goes to the new regions for him to explore in the show.

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XIII_Rocks
12/25/22 7:17:30 AM
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New episode set to feature Latias

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