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Jakyl25
01/12/22 3:03:24 PM
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Abolish the filibuster

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Jakyl25
01/12/22 3:04:02 PM
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I dont care who makes the topics but I do care about being plagiarized

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Dancedreamer
01/12/22 3:06:44 PM
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If we lose the 2024 election, we should just storm the capitol. All we'll get is a slap on the wrist. And if we succeed... well I don't know what we'd do. Maybe just kick out all the Republicans.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/12/22 3:09:50 PM
#4:


Jakyl25 posted...
Abolish the filibuster

Yes

How do we feel about Biden's push for filibuster reform after almost an entire year in office?

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Jakyl25
01/12/22 3:11:00 PM
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Too little too late IMO

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/12/22 3:14:02 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Too little too late IMO

Yeah that's where I'm at.

If this was the play (and it should have always been the play), I have no idea why it didn't happen sooner. Did the American public really need to be warmed to the idea by watching Dems flounder for a year? Everyone already knows they suck!

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pjbasis
01/12/22 3:15:34 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
All we'll get is a slap on the wrist

Just make sure you only storm it with white people

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GuessMyUserName
01/12/22 3:21:42 PM
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plum trying to make the topics after I block him for gaslighting over transphobia

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DoomTheGyarados
01/12/22 3:50:36 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
plum trying to make the topics after I block him for gaslighting over transphobia

Oh I didn't know this. That silly plum

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xp1337
01/12/22 6:10:02 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Yeah that's where I'm at.

If this was the play (and it should have always been the play), I have no idea why it didn't happen sooner.
Think it was more about accumulating hard evidence of obstruction and bad faith actions to present to Manchin and Sinema by going, "See? We gave you your shots at trying to craft 'bipartisan' legislation on these issues and you got nothing."

problem is they don't care and are among the bad faith actors so nothing will happen

Strikes me more as a desperation play because they have no more cards. Like, don't get me wrong, it's the right policy decision from a small-d democratic and good governance stance but it isn't going to go anywhere and once it goes down that officially slams the door on anything of value getting done but that's where we are.

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masterplum
01/12/22 6:11:35 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I dont care who makes the topics but I do care about being plagiarized

My bad ;_;

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masterplum
01/12/22 6:12:00 PM
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Why the hell did gmun block me anyways

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/12/22 6:24:27 PM
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masterplum posted...
Why the hell did gmun block me anyways

Because you were being transphobic

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masterplum
01/12/22 6:26:26 PM
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I don't think so, but ok

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xp1337
01/12/22 6:44:29 PM
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Schumer dug deep in the rulebook and found a way to at least bypass the filibuster on starting debate for voting rights.

https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1481381032461058049

Okay, I didn't know he had this card. I guess Biden's push makes more sense to me now because there will be a showdown now. While this maneuver lets Schumer start debate (GOP has previously filibustered all previous attempts to start debate on voting rights) the GOP can still attempt to filibuster ending debate - but that would be the key moment. If they were going to make a carve out that would be the moment.

I expect it to not work but at least they'll get a moment to really make this public.

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ChaosTonyV4
01/12/22 8:57:20 PM
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https://twitter.com/govjventura/status/1481310039730233344?s=21

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Suprak the Stud
01/13/22 12:02:18 AM
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Well, Ive taken it, said Trump. Ive had the booster. Many politiciansI watched a couple of politicians be interviewed and one of the questions was, Did you get the booster? because they had the vaccine and theyre answering likein other words, the answer is yes but they dont want to say it. Because theyre gutless. You gotta say it whether you had it or not. Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. Ive had absolutely no side-effects.

Fuck, this is super good actually. Like this is some of the best messaging coming out of the right on the vaccine I've seen.

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Paratroopa1
01/13/22 12:30:54 AM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Fuck, this is super good actually. Like this is some of the best messaging coming out of the right on the vaccine I've seen.
it's really fucking surreal reading that's 100% true in a raw way from a fucking idiot who never speaks anything true or raw
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GuessMyUserName
01/13/22 12:41:26 AM
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if only he was like this at the start of the pandemic this might not have become a core part of the current Republican identity

also lol that his son clearly isn't on the same page

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Mr Lasastryke
01/13/22 3:49:41 AM
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yeah, we can all agree that that trump quote is great, right?

if anyone needed evidence that ulti is full of shit when he does his "TRUMP COULD CURE CANCER AND YOU PEOPLE WOULD STILL COMPLAIN" spiel, there you go.

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Mr Lasastryke
01/13/22 3:52:01 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
also lol that his son clearly isn't on the same page

i've always said don sr. > don jr.

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Paratroopa1
01/13/22 4:02:54 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
yeah, we can all agree that that trump quote is great, right?

if anyone needed evidence that ulti is full of shit when he does his "TRUMP COULD CURE CANCER AND YOU PEOPLE WOULD STILL COMPLAIN" spiel, there you go.
The annoying thing about Trump is that he's not saying it because it's true, or good, because he doesn't care about those things - but it's a truth that is very convenient to him, and it takes less gymnastics for him to yell a truth than yell a lie, so it actually comes out semi-coherent. He's making a good point!
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HeroDelTiempo17
01/13/22 4:35:00 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
yeah, we can all agree that that trump quote is great, right?

no

It's just his standard shit talking he does that happens to have some coherent point for once. I do not have any strong feelings about it or think it's a big deal.

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Maniac64
01/13/22 8:26:04 AM
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I definitely think it's good thing that he is calling people out. He has basically been announcing that all the Republican politicians and conservative pundits are vaccinated and hiding it.

Hopefully his followers will listen and keep pressuring those people to admit it.

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KamikazePotato
01/13/22 9:07:53 AM
#25:


Honestly, anything that causes division in the Republican party is a good thing.

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DoomTheGyarados
01/13/22 10:19:20 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Honestly, anything that causes division in the Republican party is a good thing.

Monkey paw has fooled me before

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/13/22 10:45:45 AM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
Monkey paw has fooled me before

Lmao good point.

Like, okay. Let me put on my maximum cynic hat. There's a whole narrative about Never Trumpers and other conservative moderates that the election hinged on. I don't know if this is true nor do I particularly care - the important part here is that there's a whole class of pundits and political machinery that operate around it being true (dark shoutouts to The Lincoln Project's grift). For a lot of these people Trump's COVID response was the last straw, and this is another part of the narrative that Trump would have been reelected if not for COVID. Also, everyone has been making the assumption that Trump will return to politics soon.

Trump keeps going on these pro-vaccine spiels that keep popping up in the media (so weird!). It's all calculated to try and get back into favor with these guys and score points with credulous liberals. It really is his normal brand of PR, and we all know PR is something Trump is actually good at. You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to him.

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Jakyl25
01/13/22 3:24:44 PM
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I eagerly await the GOP Primary debates where the efficacy of the vaccine will be the wedge issue

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Jakyl25
01/13/22 3:28:02 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Lmao good point.

Like, okay. Let me put on my maximum cynic hat. There's a whole narrative about Never Trumpers and other conservative moderates that the election hinged on. I don't know if this is true nor do I particularly care - the important part here is that there's a whole class of pundits and political machinery that operate around it being true (dark shoutouts to The Lincoln Project's grift). For a lot of these people Trump's COVID response was the last straw, and this is another part of the narrative that Trump would have been reelected if not for COVID. Also, everyone has been making the assumption that Trump will return to politics soon.

Trump keeps going on these pro-vaccine spiels that keep popping up in the media (so weird!). It's all calculated to try and get back into favor with these guys and score points with credulous liberals. It really is his normal brand of PR, and we all know PR is something Trump is actually good at. You do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to him.

That will help him in the general. It will hurt him with his base against DeSantis if he becomes the GOP darling of CNN while DeSantis becomes the preferred candidate of Fox, OAN, and such.

My feeling is the opposition to the vaccine has become a monster he can no longer control, but hes surprised me before


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HeroDelTiempo17
01/13/22 4:53:19 PM
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Well, Trump's PR team seems to disagree but I think all that stuff is largely worthless for me to speculate on. That's why all I had to offer was to point out what he's doing and presume why he's doing it.

Like I said, there is a whole political machine around this and that machine has money so his goal might not even be to win but to continue the grift. Who knows.

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Hbthebattle
01/13/22 5:53:39 PM
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There is zero way DeSantis can effectively run against Trump. Same for any Republican who built their platform on supporting Trump. If we runs, he wins that primary.

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FFDragon
01/13/22 6:00:28 PM
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Yeah you can't get the Trump-base if literal Trump is running.

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Samurai7
01/13/22 6:23:57 PM
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SC strikes down vaccine mandate

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LordoftheMorons
01/13/22 6:24:42 PM
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Ugh

At least they upheld the one for healthcare workers...

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Not_an_Owl
01/13/22 6:27:19 PM
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Pack the court.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/13/22 9:43:42 PM
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1481718888513642504?s=20

I guess if I slip and fall at work due to bad conditions that's fine because it could happen anywhere

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xp1337
01/13/22 10:58:22 PM
#37:


Hidden among all the absolutely shit news today (SCOTUS stuff as above, Sinema going on the floor to defend the filibuster, etc.) was this: RNC saying it wants to pull the GOP nominee out of presidential debates unless they give in to their demands.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/rnc-threatens-bar-candidates-participating-official-presidential-debates-n1287427

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CaptainOfCrush
01/14/22 2:26:16 AM
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It's the smart play. Republican rhetoric has become unabashedly terrible enough that a formal debate does them more harm than good.

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ChaosTonyV4
01/14/22 6:31:40 AM
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The wild thing about the SC vaccine mandates is that literally this week my extremely Republican company finally put forth a vaccine mandate policy because entire departments and locations were getting waylaid by omicron.

It caused an instant backlash, and my boss, who is otherwise extremely generous and smart, in particular told me he didnt think he comply, which meant hed probably have been fired.

Well thats over now, I guess.

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LordoftheMorons
01/14/22 6:48:04 AM
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Hopefully a lot of companies will keep their existing mandates (and of course anybody that already had to get vaxxed can't undo it, so it'll still have done some good).

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ChaosTonyV4
01/14/22 6:49:10 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/8/AAGQPmAACzjY.jpg

oh I forgot to add this.

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red13n
01/14/22 7:17:57 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Hopefully a lot of companies will keep their existing mandates (and of course anybody that already had to get vaxxed can't undo it, so it'll still have done some good).

The only thing people are going to take from this is that vaccine mandates are unconstitutional(They aren't).

Nothing reasonable will happen.

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xp1337
01/14/22 7:46:45 AM
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"Frederick Douglass is getting recognized more and more."

https://twitter.com/annayonas/status/1481676286057717768

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DoomTheGyarados
01/14/22 11:36:35 AM
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It blows my mind that I can say "Sinema is actually an above average Senator" and that is, in every way, correct.

Kind of a shower thought I guess.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/14/22 11:54:27 AM
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xp1337 posted...
"Frederick Douglass is getting recognized more and more."

https://twitter.com/annayonas/status/1481676286057717768

At the risk of showing my whole ass I'm going to be honest here: I've never heard of these debates until now and didn't quite get it. That said, a quick google and reading three (3) paragraphs of a wikipedia article revealed how grevious an error this is to me. And it's an anti-"CRT" racist propaganda bill so it's probably malicious and not just ignorant.

I just simply have no idea what the significance of teaching an excerpt from these debates as a "founding document" would be or what the fuck the plan is here. Though it probably doesn't matter since the whole bill is trash.

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red sox 777
01/14/22 8:04:58 PM
#46:


Jakyl25 posted...
That will help him in the general. It will hurt him with his base against DeSantis if he becomes the GOP darling of CNN while DeSantis becomes the preferred candidate of Fox, OAN, and such.

My feeling is the opposition to the vaccine has become a monster he can no longer control, but hes surprised me before

People can oppose the vaccine and still vote for Trump. He isn't going to be forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

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red sox 777
01/14/22 8:06:10 PM
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Also, if Fox and OAN tried to turn against Trump they would lose most of their viewers. All they would accomplish is their own destruction as influential and profitable media outlets.

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red sox 777
01/14/22 8:08:28 PM
#48:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Yes

How do we feel about Biden's push for filibuster reform after almost an entire year in office?

As shortsighted as what Harry Reid did with the filibuster for judicial nominees. If a Republican is elected in 2024 as President, the filibuster is probably going to be ended. And we are going to see some extremely partisan bills become law.

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Jakyl25
01/14/22 8:10:51 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
People can oppose the vaccine and still vote for Trump. He isn't going to be forcing anyone to get a vaccine.

What do you think DeSantiss angle against Trump will be? Hell paint Trump as a vaccine lover who encourages you to take the poison, and that will resonate with the base

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red sox 777
01/14/22 8:16:45 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
What do you think DeSantiss angle against Trump will be? Hell paint Trump as a vaccine lover who encourages you to take the poison, and that will resonate with the base

If the confrontation is really forced on those lines, people will just get vaccinated.

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