Board 8 > MCU General 6 - Into the Mad Multiverse we go!

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Wandavision > Winter Soldier > Loki so far

There is absolutely no reason to not assume people haven't seen Civil War. That's just objectively ridiculous.

Oof.

Oof.

Honestly, I liked the premise and the concept and the actors involved but I felt the plot towards the end was kinda lame twist wise

I assume it gets resolved by season 2 but I couldnt get into it as quickly as the other two

assuming you meant to say "to assume"... why?

i'm sure there's a decent number of people who have seen black widow but not civil war. not everyone on the planet is a diehard MCU fan who watches every single movie.

Black Widow it's just kinda like "why is she constantly running and being hunted" for the first hour if you haven't watched Civil War

you can sorta just assume there's a reason for it and move on.

Infinity War is really the only one I think might be a bit much but even that one if you've seen like any of the Avengers movies or Civil War you're probably fine.

you can sorta just assume there's a reason for it and move on.

No Way Home featured Doctor Strange. It didn't really introduce him. It didn't explain his background with Peter, and the stuff they went through together. It didn't have to because this is a Cinematic Universe.

The plot of Black Widow is "estranged sister is freed from mind control, finds sister to tell her Red Room still exists, they go break it".

If you're going to complain about the driving force behind the plot, at least know the plot first.

I thought the behavior of the leads became so decidedly un-Loki-ish to the point of unbelievability in that final act, but I might be in the minority on that.

I think Lopen is saying this is like the Fugitive being a movie if it wasnt shown Harrison Ford was framed at the beginning

Honestly youre wasting far too much time/effort on a mediocre movie. In 2 years itll be one of those oh yeah that happened movies like Thor 2 and Iron Man 2and 3.

I think Lopen is saying this is like the Fugitive being a movie if it wasnt shown Harrison Ford was framed at the beginning

I said the first hour of the plot. That isn't introduced until you experience Black Widow running around like an idiot for an hour

Like here's the difference

NWH still has a plot for the whole film if Dr Strange is replaced by a random wizard

Black Widow doesn't have a plot until an hour in without Civil War knowledge

Now, Eternals

And yet NWH did that and you said it works.

even with this exposition argument btw you could still have a plot if you make Black Widow have to pay for her previous assassinations though. Btw instead of comparing it to NWH you guys should be comparing it to Homecoming and Black Panther, which do require some additional knowledge of Civil War (I like this retcon where Civil War is more important than Age of Ultron, then again when the director is the same one who did IW/Endgame it makes sense)

Also comparing the movie to shows is kinda trivial because you can at least fetch back or have Disney+ curate a selection to get you more familiar with the background (I forget if they do this) before fully watching the show.

NWH didn't do what lopen accuses black widow of doing (being the fugitive without showing harrison ford being framed at the beginning). i haven't seen black widow so i have no idea if he's correct but that's his argument. if you have no idea of who dr. strange is, you can still follow NWH perfectly fine.

1. This is a franchise, and entries in the franchise do not need to explain every detail that they pull from the franchise. It is expected that the viewer have some prior knowledge (or, in better movies' case, work with elements in a way that they are not confusing if you don't). For example, in Batman movies, they do not need to explain that Batman's parents got killed and that's why he's Batman. At this point, if the viewers don't know, it's not the film's job to explain it.
2. Black Widow basically doesn't tie into the MCU, and LMS was incorrect by saying that its tie-ins are why it was bad.

In this, Black Widow and NWH do the same - they are based in a franchise and both use elements from that franchise that are not fully explained. In NWH, it's characters. In Black Widow, it's setting.

The MCU stopped caring about first time viewers a long time ago. I feel this is a poor point to bring up at all.

even with this exposition argument btw you could still have a plot if you make Black Widow have to pay for her previous assassinations though

Yeah, this was my entire point in the first place. It stopped being about being a series of films and it moved into being a comic book universe with an editor-in-chief over top a collection of creators

To dumb it down with the summary of someone who has no knowledge of MCU

One is "I don't know why this is happening"

One is "I know why this is happening but who is the wizard guy"

If you think those are the same in terms of being able to get the audience to care, well ok then, whatever

Again - they are not the same. Black Widow is not a good movie.

An hour is at the prison.

So the problem here is not that the movie did a bad job of explaining the whole 'plot' about her being on the run from the government. The problem is that you are lying about having watched an hour of the movie.