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helIy
06/10/21 8:01:35 PM
#401:


yeah, i think the mag is useless. it's only purpose is to point out teleporters and time trial things. as far as i can tell, you can't feed it or anything

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helIy
06/10/21 8:11:39 PM
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??????????????

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agesboy
06/10/21 9:22:10 PM
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helIy posted...
i wish there was actually something to do in ng

so far it just seems like they tried to emulate genshin impact, but forgot to actually put stuff to do in the world
base pso2 was worse than this tbh

ng is probably gonna continue the trend of it being an ultra casual couple minutes a day kind of game

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Wanded
06/10/21 10:50:50 PM
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YoukaiSlayer posted...
She didn't get canceled exactly, at least not in her own region or globally. Like 8 months ago, she was reading out her sub counts on youtube by region (I think it was sub counts, might have been superchat earnings or something). She was literally just reading the page as it appears in her youtube statistics. In reading the regions, she read taiwan and it's sub count. That's it. That's all she did.

This led to massive outrage from china and a fairly large and dedicated group of ultranationalists have been harassing her ever since (death threats, spamming her stream chat constantly for months with bots making it unusable, of course saying horrible things to her on social media, doxxing her, etc). And it wasn't just like random people, there were dedicated communities that planned this stuff. They would also spread this harassment to anyone she worked with, although not nearly for as long.

It never let up the entire time since it happened and a fair amount of people have avoided collabing with her as a result. Despite being the driving force behind the company opening an english branch, she hadn't been allowed by the company to work with them the entire time until recently (which, in retrospect was probably only approved after she decided to quit).

Oh, china also gave an ultimatum to cover corp (the company that owns hololive) to fire coco or withdraw from china. Hololive had a chinese branch and plenty of the JP branch streamed on bilibili (the main chinese streaming platform). Hololive suspended Coco but refused to fire her and ended up terminating their chinese branch as a result and they can no longer stream on bilibili.

Literally because someone read data off their youtube page once. China is pretty absurd.

EDIT: We don't technically know why Coco left. We can gather that it was her choice and that it was decided a while ago from what some other members have said. It's possible that it was entirely from the harassment which did visibly get to her on a few occasions or it could be primarily motivated by something else. She did say she was unable to share her reasons and apologized for that but thats all we know for now.
i see, yeah we can't say for sure unless she herself confirms the reason, but it's logical to assume she left because of the non stop harassment and the effect it has on the company and her co workers who get tangled in it, so we can't call her being cancelled but very shady stuff indeed

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helIy
06/10/21 10:56:41 PM
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agesboy posted...
base pso2 was worse than this tbh

ng is probably gonna continue the trend of it being an ultra casual couple minutes a day kind of game
cool for base pso2

except this isn't base pso2. this is an entirely new thing. you would expect sega to have learned, but they didn't. all this is, is a special mode at this point. there's no content. there's a single boss. the entire length of the "story" is an artificial grind to get your battle power up, which is entirely meaningless if you pull over crap from pso2.

there's nothing. there's no dungeons. no bosses. no sidequests. a very small area.

there is actually nothing to do, and i'm not even the only one to see this, the subreddits and official forum is just filled with people asking if this is it, and then getting upset when told "yes", because you expect more from something like this, you expect an actual endgame. but there isn't one. and it looks like there's nothing even coming for the next six months. we're getting a alleged world boss, and then...nothing. eventually, at around 6 months, they're adding in two classes and like, mag customization.

i sound salty as hell, and it's because i am, because i expected an actual game here. yeah, i can just go back to pso2 and finish up the last episode, but like, i don't really want to specifically because new genesis pissed me off.

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agesboy
06/10/21 11:43:03 PM
#406:


helIy posted...
cool for base pso2

except this isn't base pso2. this is an entirely new thing. you would expect sega to have learned, but they didn't. all this is, is a special mode at this point. there's no content. there's a single boss. the entire length of the "story" is an artificial grind to get your battle power up, which is entirely meaningless if you pull over crap from pso2.
do you think im defending this by comparing it to base pso2 or something

both situations are shit, this one is just expected. pso2 has ALWAYS been a super vapid game with pretty cool boss fights but before there were 2000+ boss fights the game was ass with potential

like what even does base pso2 have beyond cool boss fights. enchanted forest? buster quests? expert fields? they all suck ass, cool boss fights is all pso2 has ever had or will have

the safest and most correct way to play pso2 and ngs is just for a couple minutes every day and don't worry about being cutting edge cuz you're gonna get bored as hell cuz the games aren't build for endless (or even substantial like poe or something) grinding

it's VERY easy to get disappointed in pso2 if you have the wrong set of preconceptions going in, but its still a pretty good romp if you only halfways care about it

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helIy
06/10/21 11:55:16 PM
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yes, the good ole "but when compared to this it's fine so it doesn't matter" argument

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agesboy
06/11/21 8:48:19 AM
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no, it's the "this has happened before and if you are surprised you are naive that it wouldn't happen again" argument

again, i'm not saying base pso2 OR ngs is fine. how many times do you want me to repeat that

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I_Abibde
06/11/21 11:46:12 AM
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keyblader1985 posted...
That's by Circle Entertainment, a small publisher that does a lot of games on Nintendo systems. I was a big fan of most of their 3DS games (I don't pay much attention to them lately since I don't have a Switch or Wii U), but one thing to note is that they're a Chinese company translating Japanese games into English. As such almost all of their games have some mistranslations or broken English here or there, and a full on visual novel is gonna have a good amount of it.

Circle and I go back a ways. I have a whole folder of their games on my 3DS, going all the way back to Sweet Memories Blackjack in 2011. I agree: Their translations tend to miss the mark, but the games are still playable, and I am getting more forgiving of these things as I get older.

Hell, if I go back my NES, the weird translations are endearing.

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keyblader1985
06/11/21 12:34:41 PM
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I_Abibde posted...
Circle and I go back a ways. I have a whole folder of their games on my 3DS, going all the way back to Sweet Memories Blackjack in 2011.
lol, same. I actually got Harvest December on day one, but it still remains backlogged.

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Revelation34
06/11/21 2:15:06 PM
#411:


I_Abibde posted...


Circle and I go back a ways. I have a whole folder of their games on my 3DS, going all the way back to Sweet Memories Blackjack in 2011. I agree: Their translations tend to miss the mark, but the games are still playable, and I am getting more forgiving of these things as I get older.

Hell, if I go back my NES, the weird translations are endearing.


Even the SNES had weird translations.
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Zeus
06/11/21 4:27:05 PM
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agesboy posted... the chinese government will go after your ass if you even say the word taiwan, so it's not like it's just random chinese people stirring trouble. it's a mentality cultivated by the government purposefully

Not really an excuse. Certainly not one that we'd accept if it happened here.

agesboy posted...
makes america's reaction to anti-zionism (until recent years) look soft

You can probably credit America's pretty open antisemitism for that. America isn't bad as Europe when it comes to its historical treatment of the Jewish people, but it's still pretty fucking bad. Whenever anything happens between Israel and Palestine (most often Israel retaliating in response to yet *another* terrorist attack), that latent racism jumps out barrels blazing in fucking seconds.

Judgmenl posted...
If the Chinese government can destroy Coco's career/life they can destroy yours.

That seems pretty unlikely.

Judgmenl posted...
This is actually something you might be interested in. Coco has been harassed non-stop over the past year because she mentioned Taiwan once in a steam. This lead to her losing her job 8 months after.

Meanwhile John Cena called Taiwan a country... on a tv interview... while in Taiwan and all he had to do was apologize afterward >_>

He's still got a career, *and* a movie coming out in China.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
It sounds very much like she wasn't forced to quit. Supposedly several other members had tried to talk her out of quitting which doesn't seem like something they'd do if she didn't have the option to stay. Her channel isn't going down and other members will still be able to talk about her. Seems very much like either the stress was just too much, or she had some other real life thing that caused her to want to leave.

It wasn't too hard to see coming. She broke down on steam a few months back and recently had been talking about how difficult it was to stay positive and just a lot of small things here and there.

tbh, nonsense like that is yet another reason why I'd never get into streaming or social, and certainly why I'd never tie to my career. It's far too easy to say something that offends some psycho troll out there, at which point you could be canceled or even murdered.

Anyway, I'm guessing she must have a good amount of money in the bank -- more than if she'd simply had a normal job -- and will likely have a fanbase if she someday decides to return

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T0ffee
06/11/21 8:25:14 PM
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https://www.gematsu.com/2021/06/rune-factory-5-delayed-to-early-2022-in-the-west

Kinda sad, kinda hopeful that this means it has more time to work out all of the problems it has.

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YoukaiSlayer
06/11/21 9:45:33 PM
#414:


Zeus posted...
tbh, nonsense like that is yet another reason why I'd never get into streaming or social, and certainly why I'd never tie to my career. It's far too easy to say something that offends some psycho troll out there, at which point you could be canceled or even murdered.
Yeah, i really feel like a lot of people don't fully consider how miserable being famous is for most people, especially in a situation like streaming where you interact directly with fans. Even if you have the ability to just shrug off thousands of people going out of their way to let you know how much they hate you, theres still the very real threat of some crazy person either coming after you or doing something horrible in your name because they took some joke literally in their delusion.

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YoukaiSlayer
06/12/21 8:30:48 PM
#415:


Damn, 86 is so good. There's definitely some issues with logic but latest episode was really good. The 2nd to last scene in the montage is a little worrying. They showed Shin taking another tag, but I think chronologically it was after they started the endless recon mission, so does that mean one of the other 5 died before october 30th when fido dies? Most of the show also took place on burnt out battlefields or in a city but this episode they showed they can really make landscapes look beautiful here.

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YoukaiSlayer
06/13/21 2:13:37 AM
#416:


Wow, tokyo revengers was great this week as well. Main guy finally did something.

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Judgmenl
06/13/21 6:35:10 AM
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06/14/21 7:00:20 PM
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Zeus
06/15/21 3:14:57 AM
#419:


Apparently for that Detective Conan story I had remembered how the murderer did it, I just got the victim wrong as well as the circumstances (because I was envisioning the story that inspired the method). Granted, the killer was pretty fucking obvious since he was another cop and immediately just bought the suicide angle

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YoukaiSlayer
06/16/21 4:38:51 AM
#420:


I'm catching up on Vivy now and it's kind of frustrating how good it almost is. Most of it's great. An anime original with great animation, voice acting, action scenes, philosophical questions handled in interesting ways. However, the actual surface level plot has such massive holes that it just doesn't make sense and it's frustrating because I feel like they could have written the story to not have these massive plot holes without changing all that much.

For an example. The metal float. Their plan was to go in destroy the software running the AIs there...but it's fucking data, theres no way there isn't a back up and even IF there wasn't they made that whole software and island in less than 5 years, they could easily do it again. That was the dumbest plan of all time. They didn't even intend to damage the island itself so realistically it'd be operational again in like a week.

Of course thats not the only plot hole, there's major ones in virtually every episode and it's just such a shame because I feel like it undermines the otherwise well implemented story and setting.

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Judgmenl
06/16/21 3:28:04 PM
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Soup_or_Science
06/16/21 3:53:19 PM
#422:


I don't think I've ever been to this topic before.

...Now I don't know where to start

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Zeus
06/16/21 4:27:33 PM
#423:


Soup_or_Science posted...
I don't think I've ever been to this topic before.

...Now I don't know where to start

Start at the beginning.. XCIV topics ago.

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agesboy
06/16/21 5:39:11 PM
#424:


flee while you still can

but play baldr sky before you do

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YoukaiSlayer
06/18/21 3:30:44 AM
#425:


I'm now caught up on Vivy and the plot holes have kind of spiraled out of control IMO. I'm surprised the rating hasn't tanked. We learn that the singularity project was just as dumb as it looked like it was and they all just missed the obvious.

They set out to change future events that would lead to the war between AIs and humans, but they never had any fucking clue why the AIs went berserk. All of the things they changed of course were completely pointless and had nothing to do with why the AIs went berserk and they never thought to check the literal system that controls all AIs software.

Additionally, at the end of episode 12 they just straight up cause a time paradox. By not saving Osamu in the 3rd timeline (for no fucking reason, they made it to toak with plenty of time in 2nd timeline) it means they didn't prevent Osamu from sending back Vivy's data which should shut her down immediately based on what we've already had explained to us but they just don't have that happen for no reason.

The AI mainframe also makes no sense at all. Vivy learning creativity would further prove what the mainframe was saying, not refute it. If AI can even create at the same level as humans, then humans would truly be obsolete.

The mainframe also had the ability to stop Vivy and more importantly matsumoto right from the start by targeting and killing osamu earlier which was before Vivy inspired the mainframe to give her a chance to sing.

Given what we now know, theres no way to save humanity without drastic alteration of the timeline so they might as well send back matsumoto and just have him show the government what happens if you make an AI calculate the future with the goal of improving humanity. He has video evidence and can easily prove he is from the future.

Why is beth better at combat than any of those random goons, in fact, why don't the random goons have a better combat routine than even Vivy if the mainframe has superior specs to matsumoto? Why don't they back up AI data in the first place? It's shown to be circuitry and you can download an exact replica of it as in beth's case. This makes the situation with kakitani's piano teacher dying ultra stupid cause they could just download his data into a new body.

Why a lot of things. When the story primarily focused on some mission, you could kind of ignore the overall plotholes, but now we are at the endgame and it's all about the plot but the plot is just so dumb. It's kind of triggering me to see so many people praise the plot in comments.

/rant

I'll probably rant again when the final episode airs tomorrow.

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deoxxys
06/18/21 3:42:15 AM
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Just marathoned most of Im a spider so what and I like it a lot.

Dont sleep on it lol

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