Poll of the Day > Anime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCV

(+) Yeah! (+)

one piece has also been running for 24 years, whilst smartphone has been running for 6

smartphone doesn't feel as long as either, just incredibly dense with characters

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Sad news for Berserk fans.

Looks like the mangaka, Kentaro Miura, passed away from a heart complication.

https://twitter.com/berserk_project/status/1395212918040391680

My condolences to his family, and while I haven't read Berserk, I do know it was a much beloved part of the anime and manga community and this news will undoubtedly break the hearts of millions of fans.

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My god thats awful
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Not to sound insensitive but does this mean the manga will never be finished?

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deoxxys posted...

My god thats awful
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Not to sound insensitive but does this mean the manga will never be finished?

Yeah, typically for manga when the author dies the manga is left as is "to preserve their memory."

There might be some cases where the mangaka left notes and a will specifically stating for someone to continue their work, but I don't know of any such cases happening off the top of my head.

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What a shame

I thought maybe it'd be like Wheel of Time which written by Robert Jordan then finished by Brandon Sanderson.

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I don't think anybody can replace Miura. Berserk is a one-of-a-kind classic, even if it will never be finished. RIP.

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No nno no no no:(

I finished Invincible and now there are no more episodes to watch. I'm sad:(

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wolfy42 posted...

No nno no no no:(

I finished Invincible and now there are no more episodes to watch. I'm sad:(

You could read the comic from the beginning
@wolfy42

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deoxxys posted...

You could read the comic from the beginning
@wolfy42

Oh good idea, wonder if it's online, i'm gonna look it up!!

Holy mountainous mollusks it's all online and free, and it goes way faster then the show, like I prob will be done with the whole first season in an hour.

Thanks a ton!!

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That's a real shame about Miura. I never checked out Berserk, but I've always heard amazing things.

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wolfy42 posted...

Oh good idea, wonder if it's online, i'm gonna look it up!!

Holy mountainous mollusks it's all online and free, and it goes way faster then the show, like I prob will be done with the whole first season in an hour.

Thanks a ton!!

@wolfy42
I highly suggest starting from the beginning instead of trying to start where the show left off because events happen in severely different orders amongst other things.
Would love to get updates on your reading session!

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Nog, I did start from the beggining and I do see how things are going in a different order, think I'm on volume 4? Maybe just started 5 before I crashed at 11pm (just woke up).

Gonna get back to it, but so far nothing has really happened much other then a bit more info on Allen the alien, that I didn't see in the show, and there is still a bunch that I have not seen.

Looking forward to finding out what happened to omni-man etc though so glad to be able to continue the story, you so rock!!

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deoxxys posted...

Would love to get updates on your reading session!

Just finished chapter 6:)

Got more info on Invicibles dad which rocks. I totally can see an easy way for them to stop any invasion in the future, actually multiple ways.

First just invicible and his brother can have alot of kids, since the DNA is pure, you'll end up with an army of earthlings that are as powerful as invicible/his dad etc.

Technically with Invicibles brother aging fast, they could quickly have tons of generations in 100 years (if each generation takes 5 years till maturity, you could have millions of decendents in 100 years.

Also the whole cloning thing, can they clone a virtrian? Just make tons of clones of invicible etc and send em off to fight!!

Finally the portal dude to other dimensions could just grab earth defenders from tons of other earths and have em all fight off an invasion then return em.

Anyway really enjoying it. Weird though how some of the story has progressed further, but other parts (like robot becoming a boy etc) are still not caught up yet.

Not sure how many chapters there are but really enjoying reading this. Thanks again.

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I somehow got IP banned from MAL, even though I just lurk and haven't even logged into my account in years. Gotta see if there's some way to fix it.

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Pomu Rainpuff, best Vtuber debut 2021.

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Yeah Pomu is great. So are all the niji EN really. Watched Elira the other day for a while.

Also is max level witch the best anime of all time? So much yuri goodness in the latest episode. I think it's the closest thing to a yuri harem anime that exists. I'm overexaggerating it's quality greatly but woohoo yuri!

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Still just re-reading the early Detective Conan. The cursed piano story is story is even flimsier than I remembered, particularly given how the chief makes a big deal over how the nurse couldn't have done it because her arms are so tiny... but then we find out she's actually a guy and suddenly he believes the killer's strength even though those arms are still tiny >_> That whole thing was a ridiculous way of trying to cover for the super-obvious suspect.

Judgmenl posted...

Pomu Rainpuff, best Vtuber debut 2021.

>Talks about TV being dead
>Promotes fringe YTer

The biggest stream in history had 2.4m viewers, doesn't even come close to breaking the top 100 most-viewed television broadcasts in 2020. (The lowest top 100 for 2020 (an episode from This Is Us) was 11.7m viewers, and the highest -- the Super Bowl -- pulled in 102m viewers.)

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/top-rated-shows-2020-jeopardy-ncis-oscars-masked-singer-super-bowl-1234866838/


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been reading more light novels, most recently Reincarnated as the Last of My Kind. its pretty much atelier isekai and its great

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Also is max level witch the best anime of all time? So much yuri goodness in the latest episode. I think it's the closest thing to a yuri harem anime that exists. I'm overexaggerating it's quality greatly but woohoo yuri!

havent caught up on recent episodes but i wasn't liking it as much as i feel like i should. i do like it more than the manga and its definitely one of the better anime this season but like man, overlord, slime, last boss (no anime yet, but its probably a matter of time) scratched real big itches i had

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I like Tomodachi Game, but it bites off Liar Game pretty hard in a few ways. Besides the main plot (characters get trapped in a series of games where they have to deceive others to win large amounts of money) some of the characters/progression is the same. There's the rival turned token-evil-teammate (Fukunaga/Shinomiya), the charismatic cult leader with alleged supernatural abilities (Harimoto/Kamishiro), the game where players are trapped in one place and have to use money to settle everything and even obtain food, etc.

There are a few major differences though. The main character is a pretty big sociopath, unlike Nao and worse than Akiyama ever was. And while violence is forbidden in games, people find ways around it, and a lot of shit also goes down between games, and there are some major injuries. It raises the stakes a little more.

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Zeus posted...

Still just re-reading the early Detective Conan. The cursed piano story is story is even flimsier than I remembered, particularly given how the chief makes a big deal over how the nurse couldn't have done it because her arms are so tiny... but then we find out she's actually a guy and suddenly he believes the killer's strength even though those arms are still tiny >_> That whole thing was a ridiculous way of trying to cover for the super-obvious suspect.

>Talks about TV being dead
>Promotes fringe YTer

The biggest stream in history had 2.4m viewers, doesn't even come close to breaking the top 100 most-viewed television broadcasts in 2020. (The lowest top 100 for 2020 (an episode from This Is Us) was 11.7m viewers, and the highest -- the Super Bowl -- pulled in 102m viewers.)

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/top-rated-shows-2020-jeopardy-ncis-oscars-masked-singer-super-bowl-1234866838/

You need to calm down and take a couple of steps back. The boob tube is for old people. Media these days can entirely be consumed online. I am, for example watching a Red Sox game via a stream right now.
I consume around 10 hours of Youtube media a day, which is split beyond many genres. Broadcast television is almost entirely targeting demographics I am not part of. You might be part of them, but it's whatever. No need to be aggressive in this thread. I haven't owned a television since the DTV transition in like what? 2008? At that point I was starting to watch almost entirely all streamed media anyways. I never looked back.

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Judgmenl posted...

You need to calm down and take a couple of steps back.

You need to stop posting ridiculous things.

Judgmenl posted...

The boob tube is for old people. Media these days can entirely be consumed online. I am, for example watching a Red Sox game via a stream right now.

And most of that streaming is still done on actual televisions, which makes the complaint silly. However, you were wondering if they still made new tv shows, which goes a LOT further than just looking at the viewing format. You're criticizing the industry while propping up the vastly less popular streaming community, which is still just weird.

Judgmenl posted...

Broadcast television is almost entirely targeting demographics I am not part of.

Broadcast television targets all demos. There are stations for everything. The only way they couldn't target you is if you weren't human, which would raise all sorts of other questions.


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Would be nice to see larger metrics. There's a lot more streamers in a genre than there are tv shows in a genre. There's also a lot more genres of streams than tv (every game is basically it's own genre).

As far as I can tell from googling marketing reports. Streaming consumption is basically doubling every year reaching a total of 8 billion minutes watched in quarter 4 of last year. Consersely, traditional television viewership is falling super rapidly for people under 34, fairly quickly for 35-50, and basically unchanged or even increasing in people older than that. For the 12-17 and 18-34 demographics, they spend more time using apps on their smartphone per day than watching traditional tv.

So while judgemenl probably just went based on feel, traditional tv is rapidly declining while streaming is rapidly rising.

It's a bit annoying that streaming statistics tend to be in total time viewed, whereas tv stats tended to be in average per person.

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As a wise mine very recently said (sort of), nagatoro is like edging for the soul. This latest episode was especially wholesome.

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Retro Crush picked up Star Fleet, also called X Bomber. A marionette show like Thunderbirds, but more akin to a proper giant robot anime, and made by Go Nagai for that reason. Big part of my childhood, but it has long been hard to find, so this is a big get.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Would be nice to see larger metrics. There's a lot more streamers in a genre than there are tv shows in a genre. There's also a lot more genres of streams than tv (every game is basically it's own genre).

Which is a kinda weird attempt to obfuscate metrics.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

As far as I can tell from googling marketing reports. Streaming consumption is basically doubling every year reaching a total of 8 billion minutes watched in quarter 4 of last year. Consersely, traditional television viewership is falling super rapidly for people under 34, fairly quickly for 35-50, and basically unchanged or even increasing in people older than that. For the 12-17 and 18-34 demographics, they spend more time using apps on their smartphone per day than watching traditional tv.

Which is a claim that largely relies on disingenuous arguments. The reality is that the biggest streams don't come close to a lot of network television. When just an average show is pulling in six times the viewership as your record-setting content, that's a pretty massive gulf.

And while people keep saying, "oh, well, streaming is growing!", when you're looking at YTers, VTubers, and the like, they're NEVER going to be as big as major sporting events, film, tv shows, etc, and how could they be? Seriously? Even right now, the biggest YT channels generally aren't "originals" but instead people and companies who were already big that moved into the space. For example, the tenth largest YT channel is the WWE, which itself is a fraction of the size it was 20 years ago when the wrestling business went to shit. Ultimately the real streaming growth is just established brands who succeeded on tv moving into a new format.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

It's a bit annoying that streaming statistics tend to be in total time viewed, whereas tv stats tended to be in average per person.

...but I was referring an apples-to-apples. More importantly, the reason that streaming has to rely on alternative metrics is because it can't compete on conventional metrics. The first-time viewers for a tv show make the biggest fucking streamer in the world's metrics look like a joke. Again, the largest viewership simultaneously watching a stream was only that 2.4m or whatever, which is the viewership that Supernatural was still pulling in during later seasons and, even when Supernatural's viewership dipped to the point they finally decided to end the show, it vastly outperformed almost everything on streaming.


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the wacken world wide stream had over 11 million people watching concurrently.

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Zeus posted...

Which is a claim that largely relies on disingenuous arguments

Which part of the argument is disingenuous? And again you have maybe hundreds of tv shows competing vs hundreds of thousands of streams. Also where are you pulling this 2.4 million stat from?

"In 2020, the League of Legends World Championships peaked at almost 46 million concurrent viewers."

That's almost 20x what you mentioned and thats what should be compared with traditional sports viewership. That means league has gotten to almost half the viewership of the super bowl. Conversely, the world series had a record low 9.6 million views in 2020 being obliterated in viewership. Of course, the world cup still decimates everything so far at just over 1 billion concurrent viewers worldwide.

Streaming has not yet caught up to traditional tv in viewership but it's largely because of old people. The average 65+ watches more than 6 hours of tv per day. The average 12-17 doesn't even watch 1 hour average per day and the numbers rise through each age group. It's only a matter of time.

And the majority of this data and analysis comes from neilsen, aka the tv ratings people.

And if you really wanna see how traditional tv is dying, it's better to look at youtube with over 1 billion hours watched per day and more time watched in the 18-34 on youtube mobile alone than the same demographic watches tv.
Zeus posted...

More importantly, the reason that streaming has to rely on alternative metrics is because it can't compete on conventional metrics.

This makes no sense. If anything, total hours viewed is the simplest most direct metric. Average per person has a lot of caveats. Does it include people who don't own tvs? Is it considering multiple people per household using the same tv?

You can look at any metrics you want and see that cable tv is going down and quickly while streaming is going up even more quickly.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Also where are you pulling this 2.4 million stat from?

Guinness world record, which was the top result.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2021/3/thegrefg-smashes-most-twitch-stream-viewers-record-653818

YoukaiSlayer posted...

"In 2020, the League of Legends World Championships peaked at almost 46 million concurrent viewers."

I googled that to try to find where you got the claim from, and I can't find an independent, reputable citation. Apparently that's what the organizers claimed, and I'm not sure where they allegedly hosted it although I know it can't be on Twitch because of the Guinness thing.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Streaming has not yet caught up to traditional tv in viewership but it's largely because of old people. The average 65+ watches more than 6 hours of tv per day. The average 12-17 doesn't even watch 1 hour average per day and the numbers rise through each age group. It's only a matter of time.

I find all those claims fallacious and, in the case of your predictions, absurdly speculative.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

And if you really wanna see how traditional tv is dying, it's better to look at youtube with over 1 billion hours watched per day and more time watched in the 18-34 on youtube mobile alone than the same demographic watches tv.

Which is again trying to reframe the argument, where the original point of contention was the CONTENT provided by television and networks, not merely the consumption platform. Judg has been talking about these tiny ass streamers as being the future while claiming that traditional entertainment -- which pulls in far higher numbers -- is dead, a claim that makes zero sense.


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thighs

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Dragon Quest XII got announced so that's a thing.

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Judgmenl posted...

Dragon Quest XII got announced so that's a thing.

As if Togashi needed another reason to never work on HxH again.

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Anime update:
My anime watching this season has been pretty erratic (Work + PoE + STO taking a lot of my time). I think AotS so far for mme is Mashiro no Oto. It is the only Anime I'm technically caught up for. Biggest disappointment is probably Nagatoro, but I only saw the first two episodes. It didn't hook me, probably because it's a comedy, and not a drama (although nothing bad with comedy anime).

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Finished Wonder Egg, which annoyed me, since it's unfinished. It's supposed to get a special ep that gives it a conclusion eventually. Haven't started anything else yet, but have 3 shows left from last season I could watch: Neverland s2, Beastars s2, and Jaku chara. Leaning towards Jaku chara. Been playing Animal Crossing lately. Still annoyed at a blunder I made in the beginning. Was given 3 apples and ended up selling them. Now I don't have apple trees and it's bothersome. Native fruit is cherries and was lucky enough to finally find an island with a different fruit, but still no apples. At least I've got peaches now though.

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dragon504 posted...

Been playing Animal Crossing lately.

same actually, got it like a week ago

now have about 500k from some lazy playing because turnips

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I was going to buy turnips last week. Put it off on until later in the day, but then it was too late in the day and I didn't get any turnips. Maybe I should try to hustle up some bells so I can buy a ton of them tomorrow.

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dragon504 posted...

Finished Wonder Egg, which annoyed me, since it's unfinished. It's supposed to get a special ep that gives it a conclusion eventually. Haven't started anything else yet, but have 3 shows left from last season I could watch: Neverland s2, Beastars s2, and Jaku chara. Leaning towards Jaku chara. Been playing Animal Crossing lately. Still annoyed at a blunder I made in the beginning. Was given 3 apples and ended up selling them. Now I don't have apple trees and it's bothersome. Native fruit is cherries and was lucky enough to finally find an island with a different fruit, but still no apples. At least I've got peaches now though.

Yea WEP should be getting its final episode soon. Production was messed up because CloverWorks was doing several anime last season and they had to do a clip show for one of the episodes.

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dragon504 posted...

I was going to buy turnips last week. Put it off on until later in the day, but then it was too late in the day and I didn't get any turnips. Maybe I should try to hustle up some bells so I can buy a ton of them tomorrow.

gonna be tracking my turnip sell price via an online tool, so if i get something good i can let you know

(turnip buying ends at noon btw)

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I'm still loving max level witch. It gets more ecchi with every episode and has plenty of yuri bait. It's kind of like a worse more ecchi dragon maid.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I'm still loving max level witch. It gets more ecchi with every episode and has plenty of yuri bait. It's kind of like a worse more ecchi dragon maid.

Sounds interesting, will have to watch it when it ends. Stoked for s2 of Dragon Maid. Don't remember if it has a start date yet, but glad it's slated to be made nonetheless.

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dragon504 posted...

Sounds interesting, will have to watch it when it ends. Stoked for s2 of Dragon Maid. Don't remember if it has a start date yet, but glad it's slated to be made nonetheless.

I'm probably overselling it. It's not really that good, but it is ecchi and yuri eventually. Kind of feels like they wanted to go for a more chill comedy vibe at first and then decided fuck that ecchi yuri bait.

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Eh, I watch tons of things. sol isn't my thing normally, but some of it is pretty entertaining. Also, Dragon Maid s2 starts next season, so that's nice too. Closest thing to female lead with a harem I can think of.

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agesboy posted...

gonna be tracking my turnip sell price via an online tool, so if i get something good i can let you know

(turnip buying ends at noon btw)

Got on at 11:51, no turnip seller. T_T

Don't have a ton of bells, but did have 230k I wanted to invest potentially.

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She should just be wandering around as long as you don't enter any buildings after noon. I had to go on a journey to find mine.

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lol turnips

i can just give you a few million bells if you want

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wheres the fun in just being given money

i want to ethically earn my money by using third party tools to predict turnip price patterns!!!

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agesboy posted...

wheres the fun in just being given money

i want to ethically earn my money by using third party tools to predict turnip price patterns!!!

I'm playing in a small private league in PoE right now and have given away a bunch of stuff because I wasn't going to use it anyways. Made several people's days today. Getting stuff for free saves you so much time grinding for stuff that you may or may not get just to play the game a certain way. This started because someone gave me the item I needed for my build that I wasn't guaranteed to get.

I have no idea if you can make a parallel in AC.

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in AC you're handed free stuff constantly for just existing, in poe you can't even play your build for realsies without dozens upon dozens of hours of grinding sometimes

like those goddamn golem jewels. LITERALLY vital to golem builds. cost hundreds upon hundreds of chaos week one and only go up from there. and you need two of each, cuz you fuse three into one other. golems suck ass without them so you generally just have to do specter or srs or something and respec into golems when you have money

(i haven't played since the garden league but i can't imagine its much better now)

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agesboy posted...

(i haven't played since the garden league but i can't imagine its much better now)

Harvest? You could farm The Primordial in that league, but yes I know what you're talking about. Golem Gems are hard to come by, and Carrion Golems were very popular in that league.

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Retro Crush got all three of the NG Knight Lamune series. Considering their list of acquisitions, I am starting to wonder if they are staffed largely by former fansubbers. Not a bad thing if true.

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Started on s2 of Beastars instead of Jaku Chara. Probably do that one next. I like Legosi's pace. Nice and relaxed. Still a weird furry bait setting, but enjoyable nonetheless.

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