Poll of the Day > cyberpunk delayed again until December 10th.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1321128432370176002?s=19

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Terrible news, I actually had the release date scheduled off work and I am off through Thanksgiving. Probably good news for AC: Valhalla, I may consider getting that at release now.

Fuck fuck Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

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Fine by me. They already cut content trying to get it done sooner. Plus I have a shit ton of unfinished games

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I mean

Far-Queue posted...

Fine by me. They already cut content trying to get it done sooner. Plus I have a shit ton of unfinished games

but also

wolfy42 posted...

Fuck fuck Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

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Yeah that's fine.

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More time for people to enjoy Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity and Immortals Fenyx Rising

Far-Queue posted...

Fine by me. They already cut content trying to get it done sooner. Plus I have a shit ton of unfinished games

I was a little pissed since I bought the preorder Friday night but after realizing I still have to finish my Witcher 3 play through and AC Valhalla comes out in like 2 weeks Im not mad anymore

This is fine gives me more time for the half dozen other games that come out at this time

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shadowsword87 posted...

Yeah that's fine.

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Yep not gonna complain.

They should just delay it until it matches the next-gen release.

still weird they havent shown any console version footage

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Been waiting a hundred months, what's another one. Don't rush a master at work.

I'd rather the game actually be ready than rushed out to meet a deadline.

I have other stuff to do anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Iat0a2Omg
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Me thinks this isn't a game one should buy on Day One.

CDPR has yet to miss.

i dont take issue with them delaying this another year or more if thats what it takes to maintain the level of quality we expect from them

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streamofthesky posted...

More time for people to enjoy Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity and Immortals Fenyx Rising

My thoughts exactly about Hyrule Warriors.

By the sounds of things, CDPR's been crunching their development team hard to make the current deadline, so I'm all in favour of pushing it back. Getting a game on time is never so important that I'd want people to sacrifice their health for it.

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adjl posted...

By the sounds of things, CDPR's been crunching their development team hard to make the current deadline, so I'm all in favour of pushing it back. Getting a game on time is never so important that I'd want people to sacrifice their health for it.

doesnt this just mean 3 more weeks of crunch for those workers though

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Mead posted...

doesnt this just mean 3 more weeks of crunch for those workers though

In all likelihood, yes, because this isn't enough of a delay to actually significantly relax the schedule. More likely, this is actually "we told them to make this deadline but they kept whining some nonsense about needing more than 3 hours of a sleep a week so they failed to make it and we had to push the deadline back a bit."

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Besides trying to meet seasonal deadlines (i.e. Christmas), what incentive is there to rush something if there are no other competition? Please note I have little to no business aptitude, so what do I know?

When it comes to certain products or services, if you cannot meet your client's needs, another product/service may eventually replace you. With video games, unless someone actually introduces something to compete with you, fans are essentially at your mercy.

At some point you will lose fans even if there is no competition but besides a game getting cancelled or delayed indefinitely (i.e. Star Citizen), some fans will just continue to wait if there is nothing to feel that void.

I look forward to playing Bravely Default II. It being delayed to 2021 or even later, is not going to affect the gameplay when it actually does come out.

What do I not understand regarding delays and how some fans are actually upset by it?


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good.

make the game better and don't pull a ubisoft.

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InfestedAdam posted...

Besides trying to meet seasonal deadlines (i.e. Christmas), what incentive is there to rush something if there are no other competition? Please note I have little to no business aptitude, so what do I know?

When it comes to certain products or services, if you cannot meet your client's needs, another product/service may eventually replace you. With video games, unless someone actually introduces something to compete with you, fans are essentially at your mercy.

At some point you will lose fans even if there is no competition but besides a game getting cancelled or delayed indefinitely (i.e. Star Citizen), some fans will just continue to wait if there is nothing to feel that void.

The christmas videogame boon isn't something to ignore, it does a /lot/.
It's also worth remembering that videogame companies tend to go into a low-population while designing the broad elements, and when it gets closer to when it's close to publishing, they pull a bunch of people in to finish it.

Videogame companies don't have serious operating costs for just existing, it's all about the people who work there and their salary. When they bring a bunch of people in, their operating costs skyrocket because of that, so, they try and move things along faster.
Those deadlines aren't just for consumers, they're also for the company itself.

InfestedAdam posted...

What do I not understand regarding delays and how some fans are actually upset by it?

A friend of mine had a /very/ serious cancer, living in the hospital for months at a time, and she was afraid she wouldn't be alive by the time that cyberpunk would come out.
She's gotten a /lot/ better since that time, and she's out of the hospital, but that was still a really real concern.

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InfestedAdam posted...

Besides trying to meet seasonal deadlines (i.e. Christmas), what incentive is there to rush something if there are no other competition?

Pleasing shareholders, mostly. If you say "we'll have a game out this Christmas that will make us a bunch of money" and then you don't have a game out by Christmas, they tend to invest elsewhere. Of course, that tends to lead to businessmen with little understanding of the development process making overly optimistic promises and demanding that their workforces work unreasonably long, hard hours to realize them.

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I forgive them.

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https://twitter.com/darkisland_city/status/1321138703155253252

shadowsword87 posted...

Videogame companies don't have serious operating costs for just existing, it's all about the people who work there and their salary. When they bring a bunch of people in, their operating costs skyrocket because of that, so, they try and move things along faster.
Those deadlines aren't just for consumers, they're also for the company itself.

Thank you for that insight. Is it fair to say game companies may not have regular flow of income outside of release periods and maybe instead a roller coaster ride?

shadowsword87 posted...

she was afraid she wouldn't be alive by the time that cyberpunk would come out.

Excellent point. I realized after my post that some fans literally do not have time left to wait.

adjl posted...

Pleasing shareholders, mostly. If you say "we'll have a game out this Christmas that will make us a bunch of money" and then you don't have a game out by Christmas, they tend to invest elsewhere.

Thanks for the note. Even if fans are willing to wait, investors may not want to see their money sitting around doing nothing.


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InfestedAdam posted...

Thanks for the note. Even if fans are willing to wait, investors may not want to see their money sitting around doing nothing.

By extension, it's worth noting that this is more of a problem for the AAA industry than for indie games (since indie studios tend not to have shares to hold). It still absolutely happens in indie studios, particularly where so many of them are one missed deadline away from being unable to pay their staff's rents, but you tend to get less of the "executive that played a mobile game that one time has decided that you can totally make this whole game in two months" problem that plagues larger publishers. Early Access also helps to alleviate some of the deadline pressure, since you can release an unfinished project and work on it at a more reasonable pace while still maintaining a revenue stream from it.

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Noop_Noop posted...

CDPR has yet to miss.

i dont take issue with them delaying this another year or more if thats what it takes to maintain the level of quality we expect from them

out of every game cdpr has made, only one is considered good, wym

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likehelly posted...

out of every game cdpr has made, only one is considered good, wym

The Witcher: 81/100 on metacritic
GameSpyPC RPG of the Year
IGN2007, Best RPG

The Witcher 2: 88/100 on metacritic
EGA 2011 Best European Game
Shacknews 2011 Game of the Year

and then there is the witcher 3, which i assume you are talking about, which was their best received game so far.

so they started out good, and got better.

so now, wym?


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lol

go try and play 1 and 2

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likehelly posted...

lol

go try and play 1 and 2

100%ed both within a month of release.

Yeah, they dont hold up, I am aware. They were popular on release, and for their era they were good games that were generally well received.

Again, Wym? If a game goes platinum it's still a miss if I dont want to play it a decade or more after the fact?

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https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/1321142842304024577

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There is no way this game is coming out this year lol

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Noop_Noop posted...

They were popular on release, and for their era they were good games that were generally well received.

oh schmen

no they weren't

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82/100

88/100

sold over 5 million copies

evidently most players disagreed with you homie.

3 popular and well received games homie.

thats 3x as many as you said homie.

so again, wym?

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oh wait, i got that wrong again, its actually 8 million copies, not 5

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InfestedAdam posted...

Thank you for that insight. Is it fair to say game companies may not have regular flow of income outside of release periods and maybe instead a roller coaster ride?

Yeah, it's a massive boom and bust cycle, a new game comes out and they get millions in a few weeks, and then it slowly dies out over time as the popularity dies out.

With GoG, CDPR has a more stable income than most game companies though, because although it's not massively popular, and they take less of a cut than Steam, it's still something. Compare that to (as a random example because I've been playing their new game a lot) Super Giant Games, they have no source of income between games.

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You can't say "BUT IN RETROSPECT!" when it comes to determining whether a company released a good game or not. You can argue about a honeymoon period, or hype sales, but that doesn't even remotely apply here because before the first Witcher CDPR was "literally who?" tier.

So his claim stands. They've released nothing but solid games. If they aged poorly that's a matter of retrospective, from an unfair vantage point. A lot of games that were fondly remembered don't necessarily hold up as well as they did then.

Also, CDPR had a humble and fair start and has only improved. For European developers sadly the trend is usually the opposite.

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I still don't see how delaying a game by 3 weeks when it's already set to release less than a month away is going to change anything at all.

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Zareth posted...

I still don't see how delaying a game by 3 weeks when it's already set to release less than a month away is going to change anything at all.

they address that in the statement they made

according to them it actually can be a big difference. And I suppose it makes sense because Im sure the team working on the game is largest before release and then dwindles down

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I thought a game went gold like 2 months before it hit shelves anyway? Are they just working on day one patches at this point?

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I don't think the disks are printed yet.

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Noop_Noop posted...

82/100

88/100

sold over 5 million copies

evidently most players disagreed with you homie.

3 popular and well received games homie.

thats 3x as many as you said homie.

so again, wym?

go play them :)

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Zareth posted...

I thought a game went gold like 2 months before it hit shelves anyway? Are they just working on day one patches at this point?

yes, that is what they said they were doing

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likehelly posted...

go play them :)

Noop_Noop posted...

If a game goes platinum it's still a miss if I dont want to play it a decade or more after the fact?

Already went over this. Smoke less pot helly. Its ruining your short term memory bruh

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Noop_Noop posted...

Already went over this. Smoke less pot helly. Its ruining your short term memory bruh

oof sounds like projection because i believe i said

likehelly posted...

out of every game cdpr has made, only one is considered good

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