Poll of the Day > FiveThirtyEight now gives Biden an 88% chance to win the election.

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Judgmenl
10/20/20 8:47:19 AM
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adjl
10/20/20 9:30:04 AM
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Polls are all well and good, but they're still not conclusive and everyone needs to get out and vote, rather than assuming they don't need to because of how the polls look.

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ParanoidObsessive
10/20/20 9:32:47 AM
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"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."
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Far-Queue
10/20/20 9:50:21 AM
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adjl posted...
Polls are all well and good, but they're still not conclusive and everyone needs to get out and vote, rather than assuming they don't need to because of how the polls look.


ParanoidObsessive posted...
"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."

Yeah, these


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Mead
10/20/20 9:52:18 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."

important to keep in mind, but 2020 is a very different situation than 2016 in so many ways

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Alpha218
10/20/20 9:53:07 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."
Donald Trump was a polling error behind Hillary Clinton and won by razor thin margins in 3 swing states. Clinton still won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

Meanwhile Biden is currently leading Trump by double digits, the polls are weighted differently now (they take education level into account much more) and Trump has to play defense in some states that were safely red before. Also, early voting is 6x higher than it was in 2016, and the demographic that does that leans much more blue.

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ParanoidObsessive
10/20/20 10:06:14 AM
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Mead posted...
important to keep in mind, but 2020 is a very different situation than 2016 in so many ways

True, but also worth keeping in mind that polls aren't always all that helpful because different polling methodology can result in wildly different results, and there are always possibilities that people are simply ignoring that don't translate into real world applicability. And that's not even getting into sites with a political bias who can easily skew the numbers.

Treating polls like a prophecy or seer can bite you in the ass. It's one of the reasons why people get blindsided by things that seem kind of obvious in hindsight.
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TheWorstPoster
10/20/20 10:25:31 AM
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I have a hard time believing that Biden would win all because of his rallies look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC_r_MpG8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qynk_v11NLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUcbEJCjxuY

Hell, contrast both Trump and Biden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EhVqp8jQM
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Mead
10/20/20 10:32:34 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Treating polls like a prophecy or seer can bite you in the ass

who is claiming polls should be looked at that way

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Eat Man
10/20/20 10:41:21 AM
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The 538 polling aggregate is probabilistic, not a crystal ball, but a get particularly annoyed when people point out that it gave trump 29% as if 29%=0%.

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argonautweakend
10/20/20 10:44:19 AM
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If trump were to win people will act like 88= 100%, and have never heard of the concept of an upset, example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Appalachian_State_vs._Michigan_football_game
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Mead
10/20/20 11:04:20 AM
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Only I am smart enough to know that unlikely events can occur

everyone else is dumb and thinks taco bell is real Mexican food

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Far-Queue
10/20/20 11:06:23 AM
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Mead posted...
everyone else is dumb and thinks taco bell is real Mexican food
Hey now I resent this I'm dumb and think Taco Bell is awful

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Alpha218
10/20/20 11:50:37 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I have a hard time believing that Biden would win all because of his rallies look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC_r_MpG8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qynk_v11NLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUcbEJCjxuY

Hell, contrast both Trump and Biden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EhVqp8jQM
Do you maybe remember that theres been some major event thats been going on throughout the year that Trump is trying to pretend isnt happening

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BlackScythe0
10/20/20 11:53:46 AM
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I'm sure he has a 88% chance of winning the popular vote. Get back to me when he has an 88% chance of winning in the electoral college.
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Ogurisama
10/20/20 12:01:05 PM
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They need more Dems going out to vote in Red and swing states
Deep blue states your vote has less weight, not saying not to vote there, but the people you need to tell to vote are the swing and red states

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Mead
10/20/20 12:01:57 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm sure he has a 88% chance of winning the popular vote. Get back to me when he has an 88% chance of winning in the electoral college.

Thats exactly the purpose of FiveThirtyEight

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Mead
10/20/20 12:02:58 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
They need more Dems going out to vote in Red and swing states
Deep blue states your vote has less weight, not saying not to vote there, but the people you need to tell to vote are the swing and red states

everyone should vote

everyone


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Judgmenl
10/20/20 12:20:29 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I'm sure he has a 88% chance of winning the popular vote. Get back to me when he has an 88% chance of winning in the electoral college.
lolno, he has a 100% chance to win the popular vote.
He has a 88% chance to win the EV.

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Blightzkrieg
10/20/20 12:21:45 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Do you maybe remember that theres been some major event thats been going on throughout the year that Trump is trying to pretend isnt happening
Dude ICOYAR is like 35 years old and I'm pretty confident he still doesn't know how tax brackets work

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BlackScythe0
10/20/20 12:25:06 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I have a hard time believing that Biden would win all because of his rallies look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC_r_MpG8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qynk_v11NLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUcbEJCjxuY

Hell, contrast both Trump and Biden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EhVqp8jQM

This is bad even by Icoyar standards.
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Judgmenl
10/20/20 12:30:38 PM
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Imagine dying because you went to a Trump rally in 2020.

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Mead
10/20/20 12:39:47 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Imagine dying because you went to a Trump rally in 2020.



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Metalsonic66
10/20/20 12:43:41 PM
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Too soon bro

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agesboy
10/20/20 1:11:48 PM
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how fast he tweeted after his own death?

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Zeus
10/20/20 1:50:22 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."

Yeah, but 88% is higher than 71%!

Alpha218 posted...
Donald Trump was a polling error behind Hillary Clinton and won by razor thin margins in 3 swing states. Clinton still won the popular vote by 3 million votes.

Meanwhile Biden is currently leading Trump by double digits, the polls are weighted differently now (they take education level into account much more) and Trump has to play defense in some states that were safely red before. Also, early voting is 6x higher than it was in 2016, and the demographic that does that leans much more blue.

So if Trump wins again, will you continue the same "well, the polls have improved since the last time they were glaringly wrong" argument? =p

And early voting this year isn't going to resemble early voting in prior years.

Alpha218 posted...
(they take education level into account much more)

Which is a silly assertion that I'm sure is supposed to mean something, but ultimately doesn't.

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Alpha218
10/20/20 2:01:23 PM
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Zeus posted...
Alpha218 posted...
(they take education level into account much more)

Which is a silly assertion that I'm sure is supposed to mean something, but ultimately doesn't.
538 highlights this on their site and has written articles on this.

Heres an article from right after the 2016 election that highlights that voters who have less education went for Trump:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

Btw not having a degree doesnt make someone dumb, if thats what youre trying to take out of my statement. Theres many reasons this demographic may more closely side with Trump

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streamofthesky
10/20/20 5:55:33 PM
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adjl posted...
Polls are all well and good, but they're still not conclusive and everyone needs to get out and vote, rather than assuming they don't need to because of how the polls look.
This is even more worthless than a poll. It's betting odds gleaned from polls, condensing and simplifying the numbers from every state and all of the polls there into one single numerical value for the entire country.

It's an inkling based off a guesstimate based off a survey.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
"On the eve of the 2016 election, the site's forecast gave Hillary Clinton a 71% chance of winning and Donald Trump a 29% chance."
Yeah, I wish 538 would quit doing this shit.
Why isn't doing polling by state enough, why do they have to make ass clowns out of themselves w/ such generalized bs?
It's actively harmful. In 2016, we saw it make a lot of people complacent and it resulted in horrific damage to the country.
I've lost all of my respect for 538. Not for being off a bit in the polling, but b/c just like that Crossfire program, they're "hurting America".
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Wanded
10/20/20 6:00:54 PM
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so is anyone gonna actually put money down and make this actually interesting or do you not believe the polling experts?

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Judgmenl
10/20/20 6:02:29 PM
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Wanded posted...
so is anyone gonna actually put money down and make this actually interesting or do you not believe the polling experts?
I don't care. I'm not an idiot like Erik account betting on the Patriots.

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Yellow
10/20/20 6:03:32 PM
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He can still win and we should be terrified of that scenario... so it's no time to relax.

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BlackScythe0
10/20/20 6:20:26 PM
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Wanded posted...
so is anyone gonna actually put money down and make this actually interesting or do you not believe the polling experts?

People who feel driven to make bets have a problem imo. I've never bet on anything and don't think I ever will.
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GanonsSpirit
10/20/20 6:22:25 PM
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I don't know why everyone acting like 29% is low. 3/10 is pretty good odds. And he barely won, too.
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Mead
10/20/20 6:23:08 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
In 2016, we saw it make a lot of people complacent and it resulted in horrific damage to the country.

I dont think people stayed home because of some headline about election odds

people felt rightfully underrepresented and didnt like either candidate so they werent motivated to vote at all

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chaosbowser
10/20/20 6:27:59 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
I don't know why everyone acting like 29% is low. 3/10 is pretty good odds. And he barely won, too.

Yeah I'm confused too... He had a 1/3 chance of winning. That's pretty considerable. Compared to his current odds being like 1/8. He has less than half the chance he did of winning last time and that percentage is basically his odds that there's some sort of massive polling error or significant event in the next 2 weeks that completely flips the race for trump.

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adjl
10/20/20 6:36:08 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I have a hard time believing that Biden would win all because of his rallies look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC_r_MpG8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qynk_v11NLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUcbEJCjxuY

Hell, contrast both Trump and Biden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02EhVqp8jQM

I know you don't get out much, but I'm amazed that even you are this oblivious to the world around you.

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OrangeDawn
10/20/20 6:38:41 PM
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Nathan is the least likely to contract covid at a campaign rally considering he hasn't left his basement except for bowling nights in the last decade

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Blightzkrieg
10/20/20 6:49:04 PM
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Mead posted...
I dont think people stayed home because of some headline about election odds

people felt rightfully underrepresented and didnt like either candidate so they werent motivated to vote at all
Which is a naive and selfish attitude tbh

The electoral system in the US is shit, but opting out will just make it worse and push everything further right

It's a citizen's duty to choose the "lesser of two evils" if that's what it ultimately comes down to, not that anyone managed to come up with a good reason to hate HRC in that whole shitshow of a campaign

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Wanded
10/20/20 6:54:57 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
I don't care. I'm not an idiot like Erik account betting on the Patriots.
cared enough to make a topic and discuss the issue for several pages

BlackScythe0 posted...
People who feel driven to make bets have a problem imo. I've never bet on anything and don't think I ever will.
so if someone bets you 30$ the sun won't rise tomorrow you wouldn't take it?
sounds to me you know the 88% is bunk


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Blightzkrieg
10/20/20 6:58:04 PM
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Wanded posted...
so if someone bets you 30$ the sun won't rise tomorrow you wouldn't take it?
sounds to me you know the 88% is bunk
You know the sun is more than 88% likely to rise tomorrow, right?

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BlackScythe0
10/20/20 7:07:24 PM
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Wanded posted...
so if someone bets you 30$ the sun won't rise tomorrow you wouldn't take it?
sounds to me you know the 88% is bunk

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Dragooncancer_
10/20/20 7:08:25 PM
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Ok, and? Everyone who can, should still go vote.

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Gaawa_chan
10/20/20 7:08:52 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Donald Trump was a polling error
The polls were correct; the popular interpretation of them was not. People acted like because Clinton had a higher chance of winning, that meant she would win 100%, which is unfathomably stupid.

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Wanded
10/20/20 7:09:44 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
You know the sun is more than 88% likely to rise tomorrow, right?
alright, i'll give a handicapped bid then, if trump wins you pay 88$, if biden wins i'll pay 100$

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wolfy42
10/20/20 7:10:24 PM
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Mead posted...
Only I am smart enough to know that unlikely events can occur

everyone else is dumb and thinks taco bell is real Mexican food


Usually when people post like this I rush to said that I am not actually that person even though they sound like me.

I feel fine being considered Mead though, so think whatever you want.

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Blightzkrieg
10/20/20 7:10:52 PM
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dude nobody wants to bet with a no name troll who came out of nowhere and is gonna claim voter fraud the moment the polls turn south

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Wanded
10/20/20 7:14:26 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
dude nobody wants to bet with a no name troll who came out of nowhere and is gonna claim voter fraud the moment the polls turn south
bet terms are that no side can claim fraud, no matter what happens, the one which is president in the end of january wins

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BlackScythe0
10/20/20 7:21:00 PM
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Wanded posted...
bet terms are that no side can claim fraud, no matter what happens, the one which is president in the end of january wins

This sounds like some sort of set up for Trump refusing to leave office.
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adjl
10/20/20 7:26:36 PM
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Wanded posted...
alright, i'll give a handicapped bid then, if trump wins you pay 88$, if biden wins i'll pay 100$

You're weirdly desperate to gamble on this. I think you might have a problem.

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