Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 11

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Masks could make you sick if you are re-wearing the same one repeatedly over and over without sanitizing it, but else-wise shouldn't be an issue at all. I wear masks every year during allergy season from the middle of may to the middle of june already due to pollen.

The claims of a weakened immune system are basically the same claim as washing your hands and such as weakening your immune system. That argument is for your immune system to be stronger you have to be disposed to the things in life to build immunity to them. If you avoid them forever, you would have it worse if you did eventually get it. It's not a very good argument for the most part.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/life-after-coronavirus-thousands-flock-wuhan-pool-party-n1237100

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Not looked at Florida numbers since returning to work a few weeks back but I just drove by a testing site with literally zero queue. Just the testers sat by themselves in an empty car park. Maybe it's appointment only or something but that's a stark contrast from the 5+ hour waits to not even get tested when I was trying to get tested.

Also the missus had to go to the doctors recently and they just tested her for COVID anyway even though it wasn't why she was there.

Florida numbers are on a downswing. Including positives, hospitalizations, and positivity rate.

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Glad to see numbers dropping across the US

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Taught a face-to-face college class today. Pleasantly surprised. Our campus seems to be handling it well. We're not a huge school though.

All the students were wearing masks and remained distant. No crowds outside I could see.

If even our school has case increases, which based on first impressions is handling it PERFECTLY, then we'll see just how truly screwed we are.

The reason you haven't seen it on the news too much recently is because the news is good and they generally only like to report bad things.

But

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html#states

Coronavirus trends are going down in the US. Arizona, Alabama, Florida, etc cases are plummeting. Almost all states seem to be descending.

So what has changed really? Some immunity is being introduced into their areas.

Also of note, despite the much larger caseloads this summer compared to spring, the death rate was much, much lower. Some of this is because lack of testing in the spring. However, it stands to reason that treating the virus has gotten a lot better also.

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Corrik7 posted...

So what has changed really?

They also cracked down on social distancing and mask requirements. At least I know Texas did since that surge of cases earlier in the summer.

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Waluigi1 posted...

They also cracked down on social distancing and mask requirements. At least I know Texas did since that surge of cases earlier in the summer.

Anyone who lives in those areas can tell you that is not true. Texas also is not plummeting like the ones I listed.

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Can tell me that what's not true? I live in Texas... Our governor put out an executive order about a month or so ago that masks are required in all public spaces in Texas. I work in public and noticed the dramatic increase in those wearing masks vs before the order.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Can tell me that what's not true? I live in Texas... Our governor put out an executive order about a month or so ago that masks are required in all public spaces in Texas. I work in public and noticed the dramatic increase in those wearing masks vs before the order.

It amazes me the capacity people on Board 8 will go to act like they are never wrong.

"Coronavirus trends are going down in the US. Arizona, Alabama, Florida, etc cases are plummeting. Almost all states seem to be descending.

So what has changed really? Some immunity is being introduced into their areas.

Also of note, despite the much larger caseloads this summer compared to spring, the death rate was much, much lower. Some of this is because lack of testing in the spring. However, it stands to reason that treating the virus has gotten a lot better also."

"They also cracked down on social distancing and mask requirements. At least I know Texas did since that surge of cases earlier in the summer."

"Anyone who lives in those areas can tell you that is not true.Texas also is not plummeting like the ones I listed."

"Can tell me that what's not true? I live in Texas... Our governor put out an executive order about a month or so ago that masks are required in all public spaces in Texas. I work in public and noticed the dramatic increase in those wearing masks vs before the order."

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Corrik7 posted...

It amazes me the capacity people on Board 8 will go to act like they are never wrong.

when was the last time you admitted you were wrong about something


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So, we will connect all the dots now.

Arizona, Alabama, Florida are plummeting.

Arizona did not mandate masks.

Alabama did (though whether it is being followed is questionable in a very republican state).

Florida did not mandate masks.

Alabama
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/alabama-coronavirus-cases.html

Florida
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html

Arizona
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/arizona-coronavirus-cases.html

Texas
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html

So... one... Texas isn't even what I was talking about. Texas is arguably in a plateau / very slight descent.

The states majorly plummeting listed above... 2 of the 3 never mandated masks. So, whether you couldn't understand the areas I was referring to or not, it is unlikely your conclusion that "cracking down on mask mandates and social distancing" is the reason. Texas, which you pointed to as doing it, isn't dropping with those that haven't.


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Mr Lasastryke posted...

when was the last time you admitted you were wrong about something

All the time when I am wrong. It's not some hard to understand concept. When you are wrong, you simply say you were wrong. People are more readily to trust you as being a human being when you are honest regarding yourself.

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i mean, i don't remember it happening much.

not too long ago, you were 100% wrong about ivanka being a white house employee and rather than admitting this, you said SEP was "right for the wrong reasons" lol

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Or maybe people got more serious about adhering to social distancing and mask wearing due to exploding case counts in their states, regardless of whether that change in behavior was legally mandated

Similarly, new outbreaks in Europe were likely due to people letting their guard down and no longer taking distancing as seriously, with people falsely believing the danger was over.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i mean, i don't remember it happening much.

not too long ago, you were 100% wrong about ivanka being a white house employee and rather than admitting this, you said SEP was "right for the wrong reasons" lol

Nope. You are actually wrong. Perhaps you should re-read the exchanges.

He argued Ivanka was a federal employee. I questioned whether that was accurate. He argued that she HAD TO BE ONE because she works in the white house. I pointed out that the law actually states that unpaid workers in the federal branch are actually not considered employees. He disputed this rigorously. I stated with Supreme Court rulings and law stating as such that Ivanka was not a federal employee. He continued to dispute this and claimed she had to be because the supreme court rulings and such are wrong (hint: They are not wrong). (He also misread a law and what it means to try and support himself) This debate continued for a few more passages.

Then he uncovered an article in his googling trying to argue that the supreme court rulings don't exist that said Ivanka willingly offered to be considered an employee despite the law in order to assuage fears of her being able to use her position unethically and being bound by laws as an employee.

Immediately upon that new information being offered up, I said I was 100% wrong in that Ivanka was not a federal employee. The knucklehead I was arguing with somehow thought that this meant he was correct in all his arguings (which he was on the conclusion that Ivanka was a federal employee) in which he was wrong on at all points. All the things I pointed out for why I figured she wasn't an employee are rulings and laws and is exactly why it even existed that she made that special agreement. I stated that yes he was correct in the conclusion, and I was wrong (admitting you are wrong when you are is not hard). I, however, did state that all the arguings he did for why she was a federal employee however were wrong (which they were). It was nothing other than she made a special agreement due to the law existing the way it was that I was referring to, in order to lay minds at ease.

My reasoning for why an unpaid federal worker is not considered an employee is 100% correct. However, I was unaware that Ivanka made a special agreement regarding it.

His reasoning that the laws don't exist that way and Ivanka had to be a federal employee was wrong. However, he was correct she was considered a federal employee due to a special agreement regarding it that he unearthed at the very end of our discussion.

Not important though. I have admitted when I am wrong probably more times than the entire politics topic has combined. Not because you are less wrong either.

Anywho... back to the virus!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Or maybe people got more serious about adhering to social distancing and mask wearing due to exploding case counts in their states, regardless of whether that change in behavior was legally mandated

Similarly, new outbreaks in Europe were likely due to people letting their guard down and no longer taking distancing as seriously, with people falsely believing the danger was over.

One of the states you are talking about is literally Florida lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

Immediately upon that new information being offered up, I said I was 100% wrong in that Ivanka was not a federal employee.

ok fair enough. i just remembered you saying SEP was "right for the wrong reasons" but i didn't remember the debate that well, admittedly.

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"Up to 60 million Americans may have been infected with Covid-19, the CDC director said. He also expects US virus deaths to start dropping off by next week."

"White House formally declared that teachers are essential workers."

"South Korea has seen eight straight days of triple-digit daily case counts. In Japan, total cases passed 60,000 with over a third reported in August alone."

"Just weeks after many European countries opened their borders to travelers within the continent, some are closing again, seemingly undermining efforts to salvage the continent's vital summer tourism economy."

"Citizens in China's capital don't have to wear masks outside anymore: Beijing residents going out in public won't have to wear a mask from Thursday, according to new government guidelines, as long as they aren't in close contact with other people."

"Australian minister says "No Jab, No Play" vaccine policy is on the table: Australia's Health Minister Greg Hunt said Thursday that a "No Jab, No Play" coronavirus vaccine policy -- which would mean that people would be excluded from certain public events or services unless they had received a vaccination -- is being discussed. When asked whether a refusal to take a coronavirus vaccine would impact a citizen's welfare payments, school attendance or travel, Hunt said it was possible."


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Corrik7 posted...

One of the states you are talking about is literally Florida lol.

Florida may not have mandated masks but a ton of counties did. Everyone has been wearing masks in the Orange county (Orlando) and surrounding areas for months now. It is very rare to see someone not wearing a mask. It's definitely mandatory here and in the surrounding counties

Edit: Just checked. Mandatory here since June. In a neighboring county it was mandatory in April as the missus had her car battery die there and we only had 1 mask in the car at that time. So it was a pain in the ass.

Watching some new coverage about how college campuses are dealing with coronavirus outbreaks due to parties and such.....I can say as a former college student I am not surprised by this at all. Nothing will stop college students from partying. I remember on my campus, Thursday nights were the big party night. It just so happened that someone had died one Thursday, it was alcohol related due to partying. The very next Thursday, everyone was making party plans again, and proceeded to party like nothing had happened. I was so disgusted by it all I had written an op-ed piece with a rather scathing review of party culture on campus that I was going to submit to the campus paper, but a good friend of mine convinced me not to.

Coronavirus will not stop college kids from partying. And to think that it will is just complete ignorance of that scene.

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Corrik why do you post random quotes and not give sources?

colliding posted...

Corrik why do you post random quotes and not give sources?

Every source is CNN but it's on their live updates so you can't link to it without it being something else by time it goes to it.

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guffguy89 posted...

Watching some new coverage about how college campuses are dealing with coronavirus outbreaks due to parties and such.....I can say as a former college student I am not surprised by this at all. Nothing will stop college students from partying. I remember on my campus, Thursday nights were the big party night. It just so happened that someone had died one Thursday, it was alcohol related due to partying. The very next Thursday, everyone was making party plans again, and proceeded to party like nothing had happened. I was so disgusted by it all I had written an op-ed piece with a rather scathing review of party culture on campus that I was going to submit to the campus paper, but a good friend of mine convinced me not to.

Coronavirus will not stop college kids from partying. And to think that it will is just complete ignorance of that scene.

As infuriating as it is that college kids are being so irresponsible, it was also incredibly easy to predict that they would be. The bulk of the blame for this really lies with university administrators who went forward with in-person semesters despite the fact that they were obviously going to lead to huge outbreaks with very high probability because they didnt want to risk students withdrawing for the semester and taking the financial hit.

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So anyway.

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maybe a perfect time to restructure the 4 year university standard where you spend less than half of the time on your specific area of study.

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bUt WhAt AbOuT fOoTbaLl???!
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v_charon posted...

bUt WhAt AbOuT fOoTbaLl???!

ACC, SEC, and Big 12 will begin football in the not too distant future.

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It was a shot at the overreaction of people and their disregard for human life so they can watch a sport, not whether or not football was going to resume. It was relevant because if you change the 4-year period of typical universities, you will destroy college football as we know it today basically.
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v_charon posted...

It was a shot at the overreaction of people and their disregard for human life so they can watch a sport, not whether or not football was going to resume. It was relevant because if you change the 4-year period of typical universities, you will destroy college football as we know it today basically.

Only overreaction here sounds like yours.

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And you have the nerve to ever accuse me of unwarranted hostility?
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Because I said I think you are overreacting?

Anyways.

PA just announced high school football is a go.

https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Article/Pennsylvania-high-schools-cleared-to-play-football-other-sports-this-fall-covid-19-150551264/Amp/

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Yeah, because it didn't warrant that sort of reply and I don't see how that is "overreaction". It wasn't even a serious comment at all.

This is why I don't post in here. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lord over this entire topic series.
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v_charon posted...

Yeah, because it didn't warrant that sort of reply and I don't see how that is "overreaction". It wasn't even a serious comment at all.

This is why I don't post in here. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lord over this entire topic series.

What are you talking about? You brought up overreactions. I said it sounds like you are actually the one overreacting.

You went from some cases in some colleges to people disregarding life so they could play a sport. It's such a 0 to 100 that when you said about overreactions I said it sounds like you were the one overreacting.

Some of you come off as wanting everything to fail, everyone that doesn't agree with you is evil and has no respect for life, and etc.

Breathe a lil. We already had the big ten petition from Fields say he wanted the season to go on because he felt SAFER if the season went on due to extra testing, precautions, etc.


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There is no way I believe this would ever happen, but it would be wild. I don't think there is any chance the American public accepts that again for this pandemic.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-abcs-david-muir-shut-country-prevent-spread/story?id=72519690

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/us/sturgis-motorcyle-rally-sd-covid-nebraska-trnd/index.html

Sturgis rally has led to confirmed spread.

Also, not sure if true but AMC claims they were sold out across the nation for their 15 cent night.

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Corrik7 posted...

There is no way I believe this would ever happen, but it would be wild. I don't think there is any chance the American public accepts that again for this pandemic.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-abcs-david-muir-shut-country-prevent-spread/story?id=72519690

Yes, because people are idiots. And yet I see no problem with this; if doctors recommend it. You know, the people who spent a lot of time in school studying medicine.

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So I recently moved to Vegas for a new job, but since it was really short notice I still don't have an apartment, so I'd been staying at one of the casinos until today.

Honestly I was pretty impressed by their protocols - temperature checks at the door, mask requirements inside, lots of hand sanitizer - but it was still kinda harrowing since the building itself didn't seem designed for this sort of thing (only way up was an elevator, had to walk through the casino floor to go outside) and while most people were wearing masks inside for some reason they were still allowed to smoke???? That's honestly kinda mind-boggling with a respiratory bug going around.

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Janus5k posted...

So I recently moved to Vegas for a new job, but since it was really short notice I still don't have an apartment, so I'd been staying at one of the casinos until today.

Honestly I was pretty impressed by their protocols - temperature checks at the door, mask requirements inside, lots of hand sanitizer - but it was still kinda harrowing since the building itself didn't seem designed for this sort of thing (only way up was an elevator, had to walk through the casino floor to go outside) and while most people were wearing masks inside for some reason they were still allowed to smoke???? That's honestly kinda mind-boggling with a respiratory bug going around.

Nice to see they are following their protocols. Too many places around here they are considered just a joke and are placed but not enforced.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-latest-factbox-idUSKBN25I0JR

Some random headlines from around the world.

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https://twitter.com/alecmacgillis/status/1297254567252561920?s=21

This type of shit (and other stories about colleges suspending students who threw parties) is extremely counterproductive and is going to make it impossible to contact trace after college outbreaks.

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In other Covid related news, 5tarscream has officially returned to China and is currently isolating for 14 days before returning to Wuhan.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/alecmacgillis/status/1297254567252561920?s=21

This type of shit (and other stories about colleges suspending students who threw parties) is extremely counterproductive and is going to make it impossible to contact trace after college outbreaks.

Probably couldn't trust that poll as is. Definitely can't trust any in the future now.

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USA continues to descend in new cases.

Florida continues to plummet. Texas, I think Waluigi said he is from there continues to slowly descend in cases. California is descending but has ebbed a flowed a little.

Generally there is very slow growth anywhere it is rising and it is dropping in the bigger areas.

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Supposedly, despite China's cases never moving, there is an outbreak in the Xinjing province (sp). Has been videos and reports of welding people in, arresting them to poles if outside without permission, parents being taken and kids left alone for days upon days without guardians, forcing shots of a Chinese medical shot consisting of home remedies, and etc.

@Wanglicious

Heard anything about this?

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Trump is gonna blow the lid off of a vaccine tonight

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