Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 287: Prince Charles Finally Gets the Crown

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The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation is very concerning if true. There should be an investigation 100%. I'm sure Republicans will be happy to give him more of an investigation than Kavenaugh got. Its no surprise that Trump supporters would use rape allegations as a political tool, rather than as a means for justice. Which is rather sad. If these allegations are true, Biden should shut down his campaign.

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Yeah, my view is it is definitely very concerning. I'm liable to believe it and it should 100% be investigated.

Unfortunately, short of Biden being pressured to drop out over this he's got the nomination because that delegate lead is insurmountable. And because he's got this I don't know if he can be pressured to drop out. Kenri kind of summed up my thoughts, if perhaps a touch bleaker than I would have phrased it.

more reason to switch to ranked choice voting as it would let us avoid having to cast a vote between the two but FPTP shows how awful it is once again


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Corrik, you are overreacting about this bill. 4 months of unemployment benefits is not going to destroy the economy.

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Dancedreamer posted...

The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation is very concerning if true. There should be an investigation 100%. I'm sure Republicans will be happy to give him more of an investigation than Kavenaugh got. Its no surprise that Trump supporters would use rape allegations as a political tool, rather than as a means for justice. Which is rather sad. If these allegations are true, Biden should shut down his campaign.

Lol what?

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Dancedreamer posted...

The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation is very concerning if true. There should be an investigation 100%. I'm sure Republicans will be happy to give him more of an investigation than Kavenaugh got. Its no surprise that Trump supporters would use rape allegations as a political tool, rather than as a means for justice. Which is rather sad. If these allegations are true, Biden should shut down his campaign.

They aren't even a little concerning because they basically have no credibility.

The only people I have see. That put any credit in the Biden allegations are Bernie bros who see this as the only way Bernie can win the primaries.

It's hilarious, because they all cry and complain about how "unfair" the primaries are everytime Bernie loses, and now they are pushing for an random, unfounded allegation to force Biden to pull out. This is yet another attack on the concept of democracy, that any random person can make up whatever story they want and affect the results of an election, and is going to single-handedly give Trump the election

Why is the US such a shithole?

I mean I'm fine with believing that he's touchy and lingers too long but don't see that as disqualifying. That's the vast majority of cases which doesn't mean much, like that's the basis of creepy Uncle Joe.

The stronger accusations by Reade, while possible, just lack evidence and are years old. I don't trust them any other time, I'm not gonna start now. By all means, look into them, see if there's anything there, see how well the claims measure up to factual information.

All this said, there's a definite amount of bullshit she's getting hit with. Times Up saying they can't get involved because he's the front-runner is nonsense and there's both administrative and financial ties between that organization and Biden. So it sucks for her but that organization is utterly useless against him or frankly any Dems.

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Kinglicious posted...

The stronger accusations by Reade, while possible, just lack evidence and are years old. I don't trust them any other time, I'm not gonna start now. By all means, look into them, see if there's anything there, see how well the claims measure up to factual information.

I agree. But, it is funny seeing the people who automatically believed the Kavanaugh accusers / etc, completely 180ing their normal position.

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Corrik7 posted...

I agree. But, it is funny seeing the people who automatically believed the Kavanaugh accusers / etc, completely 180ing their normal position.

I also agree, it says a lot.

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Even with credibility issues and a radically inconsistent story, I'm pretty sure 99% of us here still want an investigation.

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Also the Ford comparisons are literally apples to oranges so I don't know why it keeps getting brought up.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Also the Ford comparisons are literally apples to oranges so I don't know why it keeps getting brought up.

Its more like Fuji to Honeycrisp, really

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Ford sent a confidential letter with no intention of going public with her accusations and only became public thanks to one of Feinstein's aids.
Ford's story was shared with a lot more people, including an independent third party (a therapist).
Ford's story has remained consistent, with a mix up on individual details but the core concept was the same.

Reade opted to go on a podcast with a very suspect "journalist."
Only two people have heard Reade's story, both close people.
Reade has offered two radically different stories, and opted to hold onto the second story for reasons we don't know.

Both absolutely warrant investigation. But Reade's has some issues with it out of the gate.


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Back in January, Reade tried to go through Times Up, the MeToo organization, and they turned her down because Biden is an active candidate for office.

Vox verified this to be true.

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Right, because the MeToo organization literally can't without losing their non-profit status.

The Times Up Legal Defense Fund, which is administered by the National Womens Law Center, has countered that it did offer some help to Reade. Uma Iyer, the centers vice president of communications, said in a statement on Friday that we helped Ms. Reade as much as we could, within the guardrails that necessarily shape our work. The organization provided her with the information to connect to attorneys and other resources as it has done for many others, Iyer said; however, we informed Ms. Reade of our inability to fund legal and PR fees for her due to our 501(c)(3) status.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Reade has offered two radically different stories, and opted to hold onto the second story for reasons we don't know.

She said she was scared to go forward with it because people kept attacking her accusing her of being a Russian plant just for mentioning the first part.

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The Ford case is definitely a lot more ambiguous than you are leading it to believe.

She never named Kavanaugh before accusing him. Therapist says she didn't. She claims she told the therapist his name. Therapist doesn't verify this. (Not that it would confirm the story as true either even if she had).

This comes only all the sudden when the left is freaking out about a conservative control of the supreme court taking hold.

I mean, neither has any evidence, and we should side with the accused in the situation when evidence doesn't exist.

However, you can't be all like zomg Trump sexually assaulted that one woman yadda yadda. I believe all women! (Didn't many of you rush to condemn Trump for the supposedly kissing the African-American woman which got debunked with literal video?). Then when someone does the same with Biden be all like well y'kno we should probably see what's up. Sounds suspect.

Lol. Maybe that's how you should have been with Trump accusers also.

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The real problem for me is Trump said he had like 30 great candidates for the judge position. As someone who hires a bunch of people every year, if one of them has something I'm iffy about I'll just hire someone else, He could've chosen one that didn't have accusations. I don't want to vote for Biden, but I'm only going to really have an option between two sex offenders.

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New South Wales quarantine tweet:

https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/1242950427181584384?s=20
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Samurai7 posted...

The real problem for me is Trump said he had like 30 great candidates for the judge position. As someone who hires a bunch of people every year, if one of them has something I'm iffy about I'll just hire someone else, He could've chosen one that didn't have accusations. I don't want to vote for Biden, but I'm only going to really have an option between two sex offenders.

Why should Trump take the nomination from someone based on an accusation with no evidence? That's ridiculous. That doesn't make it iffy.

Just like you shouldn't not vote for Biden just because someone said Biden did something with no evidence either.

We shouldn't be judging people and punishing them for baseless accusations. That would just lead to a rise of baseless accusations because it got the results they wanted.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Right, because the MeToo organization literally can't without losing their non-profit status.

That's not really a counterpoint to what I said.

You said she "opted to go on a podcast with a very suspect 'journalist'" (sidebar: what exactly is the problem with Katie Halper? That she's an open Bernie supporter? That she's a socialist?), and I'm pointing out that she tried to report via the most respected, credible method, and was turned down.

Also yeah, she revealed this last year and her story "evolved", but that's actually extremely common in sexual assault reporting because it's so hard to come out with it, especially when you're surprised by the level of people attacking you.

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Taking it away from Kavanaugh based on a "witch hunt" process hurts the country by enabling witch hunts. It makes no difference if the accused really is a witch. Witch hunts are bad because they tend to catch innocent people.

If the process is bad, you must acquit, regardless of the specifics of the case.

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Corrik7 posted...

She said she was scared to go forward with it because people kept attacking her accusing her of being a Russian plant just for mentioning the first part.

But that's still not changing even now. So what's different than in April 2019?

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And yeah, that applies equally to Biden as it did to Kavanaugh. Innocent until proven guilty, and where we have a candidate for high office accused and the accusation comes only after he is a serious contender for high office, a priori I'm going to be very very skeptical of the accusation.

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TheRock1525 posted...

But that's still not changing even now. So what's different than in April 2019?

The guy who assaulted her being the presumed nominee for President and it being too much to bear?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The guy who assaulted her being the presumed nominee for President and it being too much to bear?

But he was a huge front runner in April 2019 as well.

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She could have worked up the courage to come forward!

But D voters are entitled to their candidate as much as anyone else. They already chose Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton so....

It's not like being VP to the first black President wasn't really close to being President or anything.

https://twitter.com/proustmalone/status/1243973027018223616?s=19

And keep in mine this is being skeptical, not going "omg she's a lying bitch don't even bother." Hopefully there is an investigation and we get more info, and Biden's response will say a lot about the credibility of the accusations as well.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/proustmalone/status/1243973027018223616?s=19

Please stop attacking this man for his stutter.

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People always ask "Why didn't she come forward earlier?" Maybe because she didn't want to dredge up everything that happened to her? Maybe because she figured people wouldn't believe her, and she didn't feel like getting all that media attention to a traumatic event in her life?

I'm not saying her accusations are true, but they shouldn't just be dismissed either. Investigate them.

Look at what happened with Christine Blasey Ford, and I'm not sure how people can still ask "Why didn't she come forward sooner?"

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Dancedreamer posted...

People always ask "Why didn't she come forward earlier?" Maybe because she didn't want to dredge up everything that happened to her? Maybe because she figured people wouldn't believe her, and she didn't feel like getting all that media attention to a traumatic event in her life?

I'm not saying her accusations are true, but they shouldn't just be dismissed either. Investigate them.

Look at what happened with Christine Blasey Ford, and I'm not sure how people can still ask "Why didn't she come forward sooner?"

Anybody invoking "why didn't she come forward sooner?" (especially when the accused is a high-profile individual) is simply trying to bad faith discredit the accusations. There is literally no other reason for that.

Reg posted...

Anybody invoking "why didn't she come forward sooner?" (especially when the accused is a high-profile individual) is simply trying to bad faith discredit the accusations. There is literally no other reason for that.

Agreed

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At this point before an investigation, nobody should be trying to discredit anybody. Also, nobody should be declaring Biden guilty and demanding that he drop out in favor of Bernie. Both sides are pushing their own agenda instead of letting things play out and making a determination once we know more.

I know the truth has little meaning in todays political climate, but that doesnt mean we cant be patient and have more information before making decisions.

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I think the main issue is, when you look at things like this, what you are looking at to actually make it believable is either a pattern or evidence, neither of those exist. All the things BIden has been "accused" of by anyone else were more things that would have been seen as polite years ago(Biden is old). This is obviously miles beyond anything anyone else is accusing him of. By someone who themselves has creepy "I love Russia" postings of their own.

With Kavanaugh you had at the very least physical evidence(A year book). And even then there was still absolutely doubt to the story(We know he was a creepy drunk, at least, but beyond that I think probably not something you could say conclusively).

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Kavanaugh was the most blatantly guilty person I've ever seen. Biden isn't nearly on his level and I'm not sure how far to believe the accusations.

With that said a lot of the language being used to defend Biden is the same that was used to defend Kavanaugh, and literally every other sexual offender in history.

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I definitely don't think the timing, changing of the story, etc mean it didn't happen. Those are common with sexual assault victims. I also don't agree with people attacking his accuser.

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https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1243906238611476482

This is an abuse of power and hugely unethical. I know there are bigger things going on now, but the purpose of the CARES act was not helping Trump's reelection effort.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

ut the purpose of the CARES act was not helping Trump's reelection effort.

I was never under the impression it had any other purpose tbh.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1243906238611476482

This is an abuse of power and hugely unethical. I know there are bigger things going on now, but the purpose of the CARES act was not helping Trump's reelection effort.

I feel like you don't want a president at all, just a lapdog of the centrist expert advisors. This is not an abuse of power. Calling it one cheapens the term to the point where it's completely vacuous.

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red sox 777 posted...

I feel like you don't want a president at all, just a lapdog of the centrist expert advisors. This is not an abuse of power. Calling it one cheapens the term to the point where it's completely vacuous.

If he gets away with doing this, he's giving voters the impression that he personally is giving them this money rather than the American government (through Congress's action with his approval). In doing so, he's using trillions of dollars in government spending to personally help his campaign.

We have laws (which Trump breaks all of the time) that state that a president can't campaign while on official government business (so when he goes on his campaign rallies, legally he should be footing the bill, not the US government). This is way worse.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If he gets away with doing this, he's giving voters the impression that he personally is giving them this money rather than the American government (through Congress's action with his approval). In doing so, he's using trillions of dollars in government spending to personally help his campaign.

We have laws (which Trump breaks all of the time) that state that a president can't campaign while on official government business (so when he goes on his campaign rallies, legally he should be footing the bill, not the US government). This is way worse.

He is 1/3 of the government. Moreover, he is head of state. The head of state acts as the human incarnation of the people. Completely appropriate.

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Seriously though LOTM sometimes I feel like you are secretly trying to get Trump to win. If that isn't your goal you really need to choose your battles better. If you pick a bad place to fight and get your whole army killed you won't have the capacity to win a battle when you have advantageous terrain. If Trump baits you you need to learn how to not engage.

If this is an abuse of power the term is meaningless.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Like when Warren said Bernie told her a woman couldn't win the presidency.

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I wonder how many times we have to conflate sexual assault to other things before we realize we shouldn't.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Like when Warren said Bernie told her a woman couldn't win the presidency.

Bro.

I'd say a bigger deal than the check signing is that the administration has said it will not comply with auditting process of the $500bn in bailouts that Congress required: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/28/21197995/coronavirus-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont-comply

literally and unironically going with "i'll be the oversight"

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Meme said nothing about sexual assault, just "believing women."

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