Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 287: Prince Charles Finally Gets the Crown

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Corrik7 posted...

Not everyone has to go to the next closest person in their decision making.

You dont have to, but I am free to think you a moron for making choices I find moronic.

And again, you lost the point.

My point here originally was that people that say they believe in Bernie Sanders and vote for Trump or dont vote are liars. Because Bernie Sanders says vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who. If they vote Trump, or don't vote. They dont really believe in Bernie ,they are just whiny bratty children.

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I actually wonder how many people in this same topic shit on people who jumped from Bernie to Jill Stein instead of to Hillary in 2016. When Jill Stein was probably the closest comparison.

Yinz are simply hypocrites trying to make excuses to act outraged when someone doesn't vote the way yinz want.

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red13n posted...

You dont have to, but I am free to think you a moron for making choices I find moronic.

And again, you lost the point.

My point here originally was that people that say they believe in Bernie Sanders and vote for Trump or dont vote are liars. Because Bernie Sanders says vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who. If they vote Trump, or don't vote. They dont really believe in Bernie ,they are just whiny bratty children.

Just because the person you initially supported tells you to support someone else, doesn't mean you should. I mean, that should be common sense.

If Bernie dropped out and said to Vote Trump, would you be saying the same thing? Get real.

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It's pretty crazy you don't understand "paying someone for a service that you're also friends with."

I have a guy who repairs my motorcycle, I also have gone out for drinks and been over to his house.

Back in Michigan I routinely go to a junkyard for parts. Same thing, met his family, met his kids, was invited over to his house for a New Year party once.

The idea that I can't do the same with a sex worker, and that I'm "paying for their friendship" is asinine. There's a work relationship and a personal relationship that exists with any commerce relationship. Some are strictly work and nothing more. Some have elements of both.

Of course you're a dumbass with an equally dumbass partner so I understand your struggle of not getting it.

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Corrik7 posted...

Just because the person you initially supported tells you to support someone else, doesn't mean you should. I mean, that should be common sense.

If Bernie dropped out and said to Vote Trump, would you be saying the same thing? Get real.

Bernie is literally telling you "if you care about my policies, you cannot vote for Trump. You have to vote for Biden." If you're not voting for Bernie based on policies, why the fuck are you supporting him? His dashing good looks?

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Corrik7 posted...

actually wonder how many people in this same topic shit on people who jumped from Bernie to Jill Stein instead of to Hillary in 2016. When Jill Stein was probably the closest comparison.

A vote for Jill Stein was a +1 swing vote for Trump. Hell I've told I think it was Jakyl or whoever our Jill Stein voter was that I thought the vote was a moronic move.

So yeah if you voted for Jill Stein at the very least in the moment you were a moron.

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And the point is that Bernie isn't a moron and wouldn't say "vote Trump." Because Bernie recognizes the radical difference between his policies and Trump's.

Like you can't just say "well it's their choice" like you can literally justify every single stupid decision with "freedom."

"I'm gonna drink paint thinner." "That's stupid, don't do that." "SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT NOT BELIEVING IN MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO DRINK PAINT THINNER!"

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red13n posted...

A vote for Jill Stein was a +1 swing vote for Trump. Hell I've told I think it was Jakyl or whoever our Jill Stein voter was that I thought the vote was a moronic move.

And JaKyL agreed it was a moronic move, too.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's pretty crazy you don't understand "paying someone for a service that you're also friends with."

I have a guy who repairs my motorcycle, I also have gone out for drinks and been over to his house.

Back in Michigan I routinely go to a junkyard for parts. Same thing, met his family, met his kids, was invited over to his house for a New Year party once.

The idea that I can't do the same with a sex worker, and that I'm "paying for their friendship" is asinine. There's a work relationship and a personal relationship that exists with any commerce relationship. Some are strictly work and nothing more. Some have elements of both.

Of course you're a dumbass with an equally dumbass partner so I understand your struggle of not getting it.

You can justify it all you want, buddy. It's your money. I mean, don't bring ad hominem stuff into an argument then get offended when it is dished back. Hell, I didn't even mention how you wanted to spend thousands to get penis enlargement done which by every account is a very dumb operation / scam operation. That sounds pretty moronic.

I mean, we can make stupid childish arguments all day and you can whine to try and justify them. Or, we can just discuss the issue without going to stupid lines of attack such as that.

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TheRock1525 posted...

And the point is that Bernie isn't a moron and wouldn't say "vote Trump." Because Bernie recognizes the radical difference between his policies and Trump's.

Like you can't just say "well it's their choice" like you can literally justify every single stupid decision with "freedom."

"I'm gonna drink paint thinner." "That's stupid, don't do that." "SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT NOT BELIEVING IN MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO DRINK PAINT THINNER!"

You make really asinine analogies.

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Corrik7 posted...

You can justify it all you want, buddy. It's your money. I mean, don't bring ad hominem stuff into an argument then get offended when it is dished back.

Me paying sex workers isn't going to make it more likely to get people killed by a deadly virus.

Your fiance's refusal to practice social distancing will.

Corrik7 posted...

Hell, I didn't even mention how you wanted to spend thousands to get penis enlargement done which by every account is a very dumb operation / scam operation. That sounds pretty moronic.

Which is why i researched it and when I found out the issues with the procedure I opted not to have it. Because it would have been moronic to have it based on the information I was given. So yes it would have been moronic to go through with it after knowing what I knew.

You've still yet to come up with any counter argument to why it's okay to support two different candidates with nearly zero policy overlap other than "because they can". Which is literally a moronic argument.

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Corrik7 posted...

You make really asinine analogies.

Your argument is literally "decisions can't be stupid".

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TheRock1525 posted...

Me paying sex workers isn't going to make it more likely to get people killed by a deadly virus.

Your fiance's refusal to practice social distancing will.

This is a misrepresentation. Surprising.

TheRock1525 posted...

Which is why i researched it and when I found out the issues with the procedure I opted not to have it. Because it would have been moronic to have it based on the information I was given. So yes it would have been moronic to go through with it after knowing what I knew.

I believe you asked people on an internet forum, and they had to talk you out of it to my recollection, but who knows. Me and my silly memory anymore.

TheRock1525 posted...

You've still yet to come up with any counter argument to why it's okay to support two different candidates with nearly zero policy overlap other than "because they can". Which is literally a moronic argument.

For any number of reasons. This has already been discussed. Maybe there is a single issue that means a lot to them in the other candidate they don't agree with. Maybe there is a flaw in the other candidate that makes them not trust or want to vote for them.

Maybe they never cared about the overlapping policies but just the policies that didn't overlap and now without that policy in play they want to the candidate with more policies they support.

There are literally countless reasons, and you can't grasp it because it isn't a vote for who you want it to be.

Just like with going from Bernie to Jill Stein. You don't give a shit how much their policies overlap. You care that they switch to the democrat because you want the democrat to win. End of story. Point blank. Case closed.

At least red can admit it. That's why he is talking vote swings. You are just in denial of reasoning because you don't want to act like your position isn't solely self-serving when it is.

Judging people as trash and garbage and morons because they don't support the candidate you want is silly. Simple as that.

There are other reasons to think someone voting somewhere else could make them foolish. For example, voting for a meteor in 2016 is probably pretty foolish if they took the election seriously.

Voting for someone who you feel would be the best president based on your set of beliefs, values, and ideals isn't moronic.

You are just trying to set it up that everyone who doesn't vote for the specific candidate you want is dumb. Red outright said this at least.

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Corrik7 posted...

This is a misrepresentation. Surprising.

Not in the slightest.

Corrik7 posted...

I believe you asked people on an internet forum, and they had to talk you out of it to my recollection, but who knows. Me and my silly memory anymore.

I visited a forum where several people told stories about the issues they had with it and I opted not to get it. I shared it b8 because why not.

Corrik7 posted...

Judging people as trash and garbage and morons because they don't support the candidate you want is silly. Simple as that.

I literally just said "people who jumped from Cruz to Clinton" would be morons, too. Those people would be helping Clinton win. If all I cared about was the candidate I supported, why would I be telling Cruz to Clinton supporters to fuck off, too?

Corrik7 posted...

Voting for someone who you feel would be the best president based on your set of beliefs, values, and ideals isn't moronic.

Bernie and Trump share virtually none of the same beliefs, values, or ideals, so there is zero justification for going from Bernie to Trump or Trump to Bernie. How do you not get this basic core concept?

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Sorry for saying personal things about you. I should be better than that.

I apologize, TheRock.

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Also I don't know why you think red is proving some point for you when he's literally in agreement with what I'm saying.

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so did our representatives ever "figure out what the hell is going on" with regards to the muslim travel ban or was that given up on

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How often are the moderate Democrats going to tell other people that their candidate deserves their vote and insult them for not giving it? I mean generally speaking you're right, but all presenting yourself that way does its antagonize your supposed allies and encourage them not to support you

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Samurai7 posted...

How often are the moderate Democrats going to tell other people that their candidate deserves their vote and insult them for not giving it? I mean generally speaking you're right, but all presenting yourself that way does its antagonize your supposed allies and encourage them not to support you

For one, not moderate. Two, I don't believe I have directly insulted anyone over this. I have stated a fact that Bernie has told his supporters to vote Biden in the event he is the nominee. I dont believe I have said anything but facts about people that claim to be big Bernie supporters but when it comes to following him to the end decide they don't really support him and instead just wanted him to win.

Its not an insult at that point to say said person would be a hypocrite, it is merely a fact.

Leafeon13N posted...

For one, not moderate. Two, I don't believe I have directly insulted anyone over this. I have stated a fact that Bernie has told his supporters to vote Biden in the event he is the nominee. I dont believe I have said anything but facts about people that claim to be big Bernie supporters but when it comes to following him to the end decide they don't really support him and instead just wanted him to win.

Its not an insult at that point to say said person would be a hypocrite, it is merely a fact.

Facts can still be insulting. You are self defeating

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Samurai7 posted...

Facts can still be insulting. You are self defeating

You're acting like there haven't been people in this topic aren't calling Biden voters stupid old people who hate the younger generation.

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Moderate Democrats are doing the same thing that Bernie supporters were doing when he looked like the runaway winner. This isnt an issue with one group or the other, its both. People just dont want to admit that their side was doing anything wrong.

If something happens with Biden and Sanders ends up being the nominee, Ill be voting Sanders and Ill be happy about it even though his policies would be a disaster to my family if they were implemented. Trumps handling of the Coronavirus has been a stream of failures, and thats been enough to make me leap off the fence onto Team Bluenomatterwho, instead of just leaning that way.

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https://twitter.com/Politidope/status/1244252490738143233

Absolutely correct

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RaidenGarai posted...

Moderate Democrats are doing the same thing that Bernie supporters were doing when he looked like the runaway winner. This isnt an issue with one group or the other, its both. People just dont want to admit that their side was doing anything wrong.

If something happens with Biden and Sanders ends up being the nominee, Ill be voting Sanders and Ill be happy about it even though his policies would be a disaster to my family if they were implemented. Trumps handling of the Coronavirus has been a stream of failures, and thats been enough to make me leap off the fence onto Team Bluenomatterwho, instead of just leaning that way.

If you listen to blue propaganda, you are going to get that result yes.

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strong enthusiasm for Biden among his supporters at just 24% is the lowest on record for a Democratic presidential candidate in 20 years of ABC/Post polls.

Also:
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360?s=19

This is fine.

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imagine being strongly enthusiastic about Joe Biden, a man who doesnt appear to even be enthusiastic about himself at this point

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He is, however, somehow always enthusiastic about you voting for people other than him.

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Im just curious what kind of policy democrats that support Bernie could possibly find so important that he and Trump share that theyd vote for Trump if not Bernie

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How come outlets don't do nearly as many polls and stories on Biden supporters that would vote for Trump over Bernie? Really makes you think.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Im just curious what kind of policy democrats that support Bernie could possibly find so important that he and Trump share that theyd vote for Trump if not Bernie

Abolishing carried interest
Direct payments to the poor
Preexisting conditions coverage
No new wars
Leaving Iraq and Afghanistan
Peace with North Korea
Tariffs
No Transpacific Partnership
No NAFTA
Treating working class people in a dignified way

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

How come outlets don't do nearly as many polls and stories on Biden supporters that would vote for Trump over Bernie? Really makes you think.

Probably because Biden is the likely nominee.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html?referringSource=articleShare

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TheRock1525 posted...

You're acting like there haven't been people in this topic aren't calling Biden voters stupid old people who hate the younger generation.

They've all ready lost. They don't need to build a coalition to win. You do. Might not be fair or right but it's the reality of politics. And, at the period of time that Sanders looked like the he'd been the winner his supporters should have tried to bridge that gap and not be rude either. For as much as you all criticize Republicans about whataboutisms you're pretty great at it yourself when its something you want to defend.

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Samurai7 posted...

They've all ready lost. They don't need to build a coalition to win. You do. Might not be fair or right but it's the reality of politics. And, at the period of time that Sanders looked like the he'd been the winner his supporters should have tried to bridge that gap and not be rude either. For as much as you all criticize Republicans about whataboutisms you're pretty great at it yourself when its something you want to defend.

It's really not about Bernie's supporters, and I'm tired of people using Bernie's supporters as a scapegoat for the glaring hole in Bernie's campaign strategy. His campaign should have been the ones bridging that gap, not his supporters. They banked on outnumbering the opposition instead and that failed.

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TheRock1525 posted...

You're acting like there haven't been people in this topic aren't calling Biden voters stupid old people who hate the younger generation.

This generally true.

HashtagSEP posted...

Im just curious what kind of policy democrats that support Bernie could possibly find so important that he and Trump share that theyd vote for Trump if not Bernie

Generally speaking, some people believe Biden losing will show the Democratic Party that Biden was a bad candidate.

Also those people arent Democrats, theyre Independents who are forced to be Dems by a two party system.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

It's really not about Bernie's supporters, and I'm tired of people using Bernie's supporters as a scapegoat for the glaring hole in Bernie's campaign strategy. His campaign should have been the ones bridging that gap, not his supporters. They banked on outnumbering the opposition instead and that failed.

Whether this is true or not has no bearing on my point that Biden supports, or really any leading candidates supporters, belittling their allies doesn't help their cause. Whether its their responsibility or not if their goal is to get as many votes as possible its counter productive to behave that way.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This generally true.

Many Biden supporters are closer to Bernie on policy and openly admit it while still voting for Biden for other reasons.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Many Biden supporters are closer to Bernie on policy and openly admit it while still voting for Biden for other reasons.

Yeah and this is their reason:

TheRock1525 posted...

stupid old people who hate the younger generation.

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agreeing with young people but voting against their candidate for no reason other than to own them

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I can't imagine why, when you've been so kind in your opinions on them.

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So I feel like the same insults are being pushed back and forth between the Bernie and Biden camps. I won't call them arguments because arguments have some substance and reasoning behind them. While this high level of conflict is probably good for the country in that it helps the Republican Party win, it's not great reading.

I think the Biden camp has already received hundreds of warnings that they elected Trump in 2016 and are reelecting him in 2020. It's clear that is their wish and they are not going to be swayed from it. So let them have it.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

agreeing with young people but voting against their candidate for no reason other than to own them

Did you miss all the times MAGAs praised shit that will actively hurt them to own the libs?

People are stupid.

Inviso posted...

I can't imagine why, when you've been so kind in your opinions on them.

As we all know, old people are notoriously generous and kind to millennials.


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Did you miss all the times MAGAs praised shit that will actively hurt them to own the libs?

People are stupid.

As we all know, old people are notoriously generous and kind to millennials.

And millennials are notoriously generous and kind and not at all inflammatory towards the older generations.

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People are assholes to people, don't see the need to put qualifiers on it.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Did you miss all the times MAGAs praised shit that will actively hurt them to own the libs?

People are stupid.

As we all know, old people are notoriously generous and kind to millennials.

It doesn't hurt them if it makes them happy.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Did you miss all the times MAGAs praised shit that will actively hurt them to own the libs?

People are stupid.

These people probably exist but on a large scale this is totally different because the people in question actually understand the policies in this scenario, and still choose another candidate.

Again, this is basic "imperfect ally" vs "active enemy" shit. If you can't get people who actually agree with you to vote with you then what the fuck is going on? Dismissing it as "well, old people just inherently hate us" is unhelpful and defeatist.

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Still on about this "all liberals should vote for Biden or they are morons" thing eh.

I would never vote for a candidate that i didnt want to be president. "oh we gotta keep that other guy from winning" yeah no thanks. If i vote for someone, i'm endorsing them.

I am VERY anti trump and all the stupid shit he does, but no way would i vote for someone that i think is literally not in control of his faculties. you can try to downplay it as a stutter or whatever you believe it is, and maybe you are even right, but Biden will give speeches and negotiations the same way as president that he gives interviews now. There's no way i would be happy with someone like that as leader so there's no way i would ever vote for him.

So the idea that democratic voters would not want to vote for Biden seems pretty reasonable to me.

Voting "just to keep the other guy out" really weakens the entire process imo.

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CoolCly posted...

Voting "just to keep the other guy out" really weakens the entire process imo.

I mean yeah it weakens the process, but I'm 100% convinced that a second term of Trump would weaken democracy by a lot more so. It's an easy choice for me.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This generally true.

Young people are lazy and sat home instead of voting.

Any other stereotypes we want to run through?

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TheRock1525 posted...

Young people are lazy and sat home instead of voting.

Any other stereotypes we want to run through?

Again, generally accurate.

Any other realities we want to clutch pearls over?

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