Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 287: Prince Charles Finally Gets the Crown

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TheRock1525 posted...

Lmfao okay time to never take you seriously again.

Ill bet any amount of money that 9/10 people in this topic assume youre a hardcore Biden stan.

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I know rock says things like "I like bernie" and stuff a lot but he sure picks a lot of pro biden stances to take.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I know rock says things like "I like bernie" and stuff a lot but he sure picks a lot of pro biden stances to take.

I only point out that a) Biden rightly won the nomination and b) Bernie was "cheated" out of it. And Tony literally cannot accept this so he'll cling to literally everything he can to somehow get Biden out of the frontrunner spot.

Also, I don't like Bernie. I don't like any career politician. But I agree with his policies the most out of any candidate so I voted for him.

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My impression of Rock is that he is the second biggest Biden supporter on this board by a country mile, in that we only truly have 2.

He is not Stan level like LotM but he is the biggest normal supporter.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I know rock says things like "I like bernie" and stuff a lot but he sure picks a lot of pro biden stances to take.

Every time he says that it's in a backhanded compliment.

I have always taken it in the exact same rhetorical vein as Tim Pool, the guy who CONSTANTLY says "I'm on the Left, but *insert Right Wing stance*" and spends 100% of his time attacking the Left.

Or look at an Ulti political post to see this. You give your argument more weight by concealing it in as coming from the same side.

TheRock1525 posted...

I only point out that a) Biden rightly won the nomination and b) Bernie was "cheated" out of it. And Tony literally cannot accept this so he'll cling to literally everything he can to somehow get Biden out of the frontrunner spot.

If only I post harder on Board 8 with all of its 35 active users, maybe one day I'll swing this election back in Bernie's favor.


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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I mean, that's not a bias <_<

It is in that he instantly disbelieved it without further info based on "Bernie wouldn't do that"

I'm not getting on his case for it. I'm just saying it's natural for people to want to be skeptical of bad news regarding someone/something they like, for better or worse.

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Biden won the nomination fair and square. And he's still a middle of the road ineffective politician with no ideas and a long history of bad governance. Bernie supporters are under absolutely no obligation to support him.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ill bet any amount of money that 9/10 people in this topic assume youre a hardcore Biden stan.

Yeah honestly that's what I assumed

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If only I post harder on Board 8 with all of its 35 active users, maybe one day I'll swing this election back in Bernie's favor.

You sure seem to be trying your damndest.

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Tony vents here because voters are stupid.

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https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1243219538562482177?s=21

Rudy, of all people, arguing that anything less than 7500 deaths per day isnt a big deal is amazing
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Coronavirus has killed about 1,000 Americans this year.

yeah, and it's going to be a fuckton more with trump in charge

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damn dude never forget

StealThisSheen posted...

Yeah honestly that's what I assumed

Why would anyone assume this when I've repeatedly said I vote for Bernie? Because I don't accept the narrative that Bernie was cheated? That I said Biden was the front runner and likely to win the nomination heading into the primaries and is currently the front runner and likely to win the nomination? That I don't think Biden is a dementia suffering alzheimers patient who is actively shitting himself every time he's on camera? That he's actually a Republican and there's no difference between him and Trump?

It's stupid to keep trying to come up with how Bernie really would beat Trump when he can't even figure out how to beat Biden, yet somehow the failing is never on Bernie. Its everything but Bernie. Which sounds exactly like Trumpism but I guess I'm supposed to be okay with it because its progressive this time.

Whatever. I mean think what you want but I voted for Bernie. I would have honestly preferred to vote for Warren but her campaign fell apart and she wasn't progressive enough where she needed to be.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's stupid to keep trying to come up with how Bernie really would beat Trump when he can't even figure out how to beat Biden, yet somehow the failing is never on Bernie. Its everything but Bernie. Which sounds exactly like Trumpism but I guess I'm supposed to be okay with it because its progressive this time.

what should bernie have done to beat biden?

criticizing bernie is fine but just saying "lol bernie sucks he can't even biden" doesn't add much to the conversation.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what should bernie have done to beat biden?

criticizing bernie is fine but just saying "lol bernie sucks he can't even biden" doesn't add much to the conversation.

I think the point is less "Bernie sucks" and more "if he can't beat Biden the argument that he would have beaten Trump is not particularly convincing"

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Voters are stupid. Bernie proved that to me. Was honest, had the right ideas, voters too stupid to know it. The virus and people's reactions to it just removed any doubt for me lots of stupid people.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I think the point is less "Bernie sucks" and more "if he can't beat Biden the argument that he would have beaten Trump is not particularly convincing"

This is such a dumb argument. The difference is an entire mainstream media wouldn't be against him then. It matters a lot.

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TheRock1525 posted...

It's stupid to keep trying to come up with how Bernie really would beat Trump when he can't even figure out how to beat Biden

Those two things aren't equatable, though.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what should bernie have done to beat biden?

Honestly? Don't know offhand. Bernie's platform couldn't form a winning coalition. But that is ultimately Bernie's fault. He was stubborn. He refused to attack Biden cause he likes Joe. He did a terrible job working to get endorsements. AOCs team literally had to reach out to Bernie's team about an endorsement. There was internal fighting among top officials on how to run the campaign.

It's weird how we spend all this time dissecting Hillary Clinton's campaign and rightfully find several flaws in it, but yet there's never a flaw in Bernie's. If he ran a perfect campaign he would be the candidate, but he didn't.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I think the point is less "Bernie sucks" and more "if he can't beat Biden the argument that he would have beaten Trump is not particularly convincing"

i never got that argument either because biden is way better than trump...? not sure where this idea comes from that biden is some bottom of the barrel politician that bernie should easily be able to beat (unless you buy into the "biden is a dementia suffering alzheimers patient" narrative, which rock evidently doesn't, so...). i'd say biden is tougher to beat than both trump and hillary.

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No troll, I do think we have a rock-paper-scissors here.

Bernie > Trump > Biden > Bernie

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I mean it's pretty obvious to most people that Biden getting the nom is the result of voters being generally stupid and cowardly.

The polls clearly show a vast majority of them agree with Bernie but voted Biden anyways because "we were told he was more likely to win".

LordoftheMorons posted...

I think the point is less "Bernie sucks" and more "if he can't beat Biden the argument that he would have beaten Trump is not particularly convincing"

Maybe it's because this is a video game contest message board, where "the best game" at the end of the day will still win, but it is astounding that you guys seem to honestly believe that strategy has no effect and matchups are completely irrelevant.

Hillary would have lost to any Republican, and any Democrat would have lost to Trump, is your stance? There's no better candidate to face Trump because if the Democratic Primary process picks a winner that means they're the best choice?

I just don't see the logic in that. It relies on elections being completely in a vacuum.

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Agreed, Bernie probably can't beat Trump if he can't beat Biden. Not in this environment anyway. 2016 was maybe a unique opportunity.

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FFDragon posted...

No troll, I do think we have a rock-paper-scissors here.

Bernie > Trump > Biden > Bernie

This seems about right.

TheRock1525 posted...

Honestly? Don't know offhand. Bernie's platform couldn't form a winning coalition. But that is ultimately Bernie's fault. He was stubborn. He refused to attack Biden cause he likes Joe. He did a terrible job working to get endorsements. AOCs team literally had to reach out to Bernie's team about an endorsement. There was internal fighting among top officials on how to run the campaign.

It's weird how we spend all this time dissecting Hillary Clinton's campaign and rightfully find several flaws in it, but yet there's never a flaw in Bernie's. If he ran a perfect campaign he would be the candidate, but he didn't.

For the record, literally nobody is saying this, or has ever said this, at least in this topic.

You keep saying that we think Bernie is perfect and ran a perfect campaign, but I don't know why!

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Bernie's whole electability argument was a massive surge in youth turnout. If it didn't happen in the primaries, why would it happen in the general?

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FFDragon posted...

No troll, I do think we have a rock-paper-scissors here.

Bernie > Trump > Biden > Bernie

I can agree with this

Can you imagine how amazing Bernie's healthcare stance would look after the Coronovirus? (assuming it's died down by then, which it might not, haha fuck)

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StealThisSheen posted...

Those two things aren't equatable, though.

They are, though. We literally saw how a great number of moderate Dems will break for a Republican candidate if a progressive candidate wins the nomination (2008) than if a moderate candidate wins and progressives break for a Republican (2016).

Biden's appeal is with a large demographic that voted in favor of Trump. Bernie can't even win among the group that actually has favorable views of socialism. Shouldn't that point to unelectability at a national level? That states like Florida and Arizona where Bernie had no chance are now in play with Biden?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

what should bernie have done to beat biden?

criticizing bernie is fine but just saying "lol bernie sucks he can't even biden" doesn't add much to the conversation.

Honestly? The way it turned out with 100% of the Democratic establishment aligning against him, I think maybe Bernie's best hope was to do what they accuse him of and openly ask for votes from Republicans.

The Democratic Party is corrupt and hopeless and it will never change from the inside. That is why I am calling on you to join me in invading it. You are Republicans and I am a socialist, but we are all patriotic Americans, unlike the people at the DNC. Together we can put this nation back on the right path. Bernie 2020.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Bernie's whole electability argument was a massive surge in youth turnout. If it didn't happen in the primaries, why would it happen in the general?

By the numbers, it did happen, but there was an even bigger surge of old turnout.

The argument is that those old voters are the reliable Dem voter base who will always turnout, while Bernie's youth vote won't unless they're inspired to.

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And yeah Rock is definitely the #2 Biden supporter on this board

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KamikazePotato posted...

And yeah Rock is definitely the #2 Biden supporter on this board

I dunno, a few days ago Ulti was all in on Biden
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

By the numbers, it did happen, but there was an even bigger surge of old turnout.

The argument is that those old voters are the reliable Dem voter base who will always turnout, while Bernie's youth vote won't unless they're inspired to.

This was a big mistake on Bernie's part. He made the wrong electability argument. His argument should have been that he can win the working class back from Trump, not that he can turn out the youth. The youth vote has never, ever, ever, won anyone an election in America in its 200+ year history. A smart voter wanting Trump out who hears a candidate say his plan for winning is youth turnout would quite correctly vote for the other guy whose plan isn't a proven failure.

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https://twitter.com/theviewfromll2/status/1243290843588460549?s=21
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KamikazePotato posted...

And yeah Rock is definitely the #2 Biden supporter on this board

"I don't think Joe Biden is a brain addled Republican who cheated to win the primary."
"GET A LOAD OF THE BIDEN STAN OVER HERE!"

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Id say I would think Rock is the biggest Biden fan on the board also. No one stans Biden as much.

Edit: If Ulti is number one thats why because I have him blocked.

Whatever. Apparently I love Biden so much that I didn't vote for him. You know, the same guy who admitted to almost getting surgery to make his penis bigger. Somehow I'm able to admit to that but I gotta lie about who I voted for.

And yes I expect someone to make a crack about "voting for Biden is more embarrassing than having a tiny weiner" but really don't give a fuck anymore.

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i mean, "biggest biden fan on the board" doesn't mean much since 99% of us dislike him. i think it's hard to make an argument for rock liking biden more than LotM does, though.

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hell, i'd say sephyg is a bigger biden fan than rock, weirdly enough.

i don't remember rock flooding multiple politics topics with posts filled with obnoxious smiley faces and "BIDEN IS A GOOD MAN" exclamations when biden was destroying bernie everywhere.

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That's because Sephy is disengenuous. He wants Biden in because he hates all progressives, and sees Biden as a win because he things that would still be a conservative even if Trump loses.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus

I don't visit this topic, but I felt the need to post this.
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KCF0107 posted...

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus

I don't visit this topic, but I felt the need to post this.

Thats way too open ended

I could understand some relaxed measures with heavy oversight, but unsurprisingly, this isnt it
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Two people who worked the polls at separate locations in Broward County, Florida just tested positive for Covid19


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DoomTheGyarados posted...

This is such a dumb argument. The difference is an entire mainstream media wouldn't be against him then. It matters a lot.

doubt

you see the way they treated clinton? or how happily they follow along with republican messaging? Any Democrat is gonig to have to face that. Clinton, Biden, Sanders, anyone.

As for "what could Sanders have done?" I'd guess more outreach. Rock touched on a few points I agree with - AOC's people having to reach out to Sanders's for an endorsement; by contrast Warren was proactive on that. There was another story where as Warren's campaign was dying, her staffers and Sanders's staffers started meeting to discuss an endorsement and it sounded like Warren's people wanted some stuff and were completely rebuffed because "why should we change?" ...until a couple weeks later when SC and Super Tuesday were looming/coming in and it was the Sanders side more desperate to reach out to Warren's camp. Or the story that AOC was unhappy with how the Sanders campaign chose to highlight the Rogan endorsement.

In a more generalized form, there seems to be a reluctance from Sanders/his campaign to reach out to others who aren't already on board with his message. I dunno if it's a principles thing like an aversion to seeking endorsements or "playing the game" but when you have these stories of not being willing to work with Warren before SC/Super Tuesday, not taking the initiative to reach out to a natural ally in AOC, not speaking with Clyburn... it just comes off as Sanders just assuming that these people will come to him and if they don't well they weren't part of the revolution so whatever. And that... just isn't good political sense.

Electorally, and I know Sanders supporters are sick of hearing it, but I think at some point you have to look at the results and go, "Well, okay, even if I personally believe this isn't an issue clearly the people in question have a real reluctance" but his weakness among black voters is still there. I'm not saying he didn't make efforts to do outreach but just looking at the results it must not have resonated. You can say, "but young voters overwhelmingly backed him!" but I mean, look at the overall percentage that bears out to and tell me that isn't an issue with winning elections/delegates. He did have success with Hispanic voters and his organization was way better than anyone else's, helped by the existing 2016 infrastructure/base, but it apparently wasn't enough. It is kinda demoralizing to see Biden win states where he spent no money, had no offices, and didn't visit. like damn talk about getting money out of politics. dude took everything out of politics.

There's definitely a lot of space for introspection even if it's frustrating and you feel results should have borne out from the efforts and actions taken but they... just weren't... and you have to meet that head-on I think. Again, AOC has made some incredible on-point statements on this subject, so I think she definitely gets it, and I certainly can't say I have many answers on it but that's the next step I think.

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https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1243354284961329152

https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/status/1243351626209001472

https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1243353649570603008

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

(From Forbidden Knowledge TV)

what the fuck did I just read

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xp1337 posted...

As for "what could Sanders have done?" I'd guess more outreach. Rock touched on a few points I agree with - AOC's people having to reach out to Sanders's for an endorsement; by contrast Warren was proactive on that. There was another story where as Warren's campaign was dying, her staffers and Sanders's staffers started meeting to discuss an endorsement and it sounded like Warren's people wanted some stuff and were completely rebuffed because "why should we change?"

I wish people would stop repeating this, the source was an anonymous Warren staffer and it doesnt make any sense.

The Marianne endorsement happened on stage, youre telling me they coordinated with her but told Warren to kick rocks?

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