Board 8 > Anagram Aces Ace Attorney Topic 2: Penny Nichols Edition (spoilers)

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I've actually been wondering for a while if a Fey will ever channel a male ghost, but I didn't want to spoiled in case that happens later. I'm just throwing it out there as something I'm curious about.

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Anagram posted...

So named because I asked myself who the least memorable character with a sprite is.

You know I've been mulling it over and thinking, "no, this can't be right." But I guess I can't think of a better example from the OT.

Least memorable overall is probably some rando from one of the Edgeworth games. Probably someone from the Airport case, which I'd say is the least-memorable non-tutorial case in the franchise.

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Penny Nichols is the only character with a sprite in the OT who never testifies or has a Psyche-Lock

now granted Psyche-Locks didn't exist in PW1 but still

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LeonhartFour posted...

Penny Nichols is the only character with a sprite in the OT who never testifies or has a Psyche-Lock

Turner Grey as well, but he gets killed and then the whole case is about him so he can't be unmemorable.

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Well, I guess we should make an exception for victims since they die before the case technically "starts."

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Oh right, and for that matter we meet 3-5's victim before they die too.

But yeah those are exceptions.

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- Its highly suspicious that this computer company lady has a sprite. The killer is either her or the goth girl.
- Why would you show a flashback to Armstrong meeting the goth girl when I havent even left the screen since he met the goth girl?
- I just realized Armstrongs hands change in size as he changes sprites. Sometimes theyre normal and sometimes theyre very small.
- Even in America, no single surgery is costing one-million dollars.
- This is the third time Phoenix has shown important evidence to the criminal, although at least this time the guy already knew he had it. How did Tigre know he had Violas medical papers? I have no idea.

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Anagram posted...

Even in America, no single surgery is costing one-million dollars.

well that's including the "compensation" I imagine

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also Tender Lender is one of my favorite investigation spots in the series

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Lisa Basil is definitely not a robot.

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Anagram posted...

I've actually been wondering for a while if a Fey will ever channel a male ghost, but I didn't want to spoiled in case that happens later. I'm just throwing it out there as something I'm curious about.

That already happened in 1-4.
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Yes, we don't see it but they bring up that Misty Fey channeled Gregory Edgeworth. Actually it's a pretty big plot point.

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Well I was mostly interested in how it would change their appearances.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Penny Nichols is the only character with a sprite in the OT who never testifies or has a Psyche-Lock

now granted Psyche-Locks didn't exist in PW1 but still

What about Von Karma?

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Well, I was referring more to "witness" characters than lawyers.

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Anagram posted...

What about Von Karma?

Yeah I think there are a few characters he missed

I don't want to discuss this too thoroughly because it is in theory possible for spoilers for the rest of AA3 to be involved

Spoilers for the whole OT, anagram don't look I'll keep this brief

Interestingly enough, the list of characters with a sprite who don't testify or have a psyche lock is still short. Winston Payne, Marvin Grossberg, Penny Nichols, Manfred von Karma, Franziska von Karma, Turner Grey, Director Hotti, Max Galactica, Regina Berry, Godot, Desiree DeLite, Elise Deauxnim, and both Judges. Both von Karmas and the Judge get covered in the Edgeworth games, Grey and Deauxnim are victims, and Desiree does appear at the witness stand, though no testifying. You still missed Regina Berry as an answer to "someone who does not play a role in court or have a psyche-lock."

Paratroopa1 posted...

Spoilers for the whole OT, anagram don't look I'll keep this brief

Interestingly enough, the list of characters with a sprite who don't testify or have a psyche lock is still short. Winston Payne, Marvin Grossberg, Penny Nichols, Manfred von Karma, Franziska von Karma, Turner Grey, Director Hotti, Max Galactica, Regina Berry, Godot, Desiree DeLite, Elise Deauxnim, and both Judges. Both von Karmas and the Judge get covered in the Edgeworth games, Grey and Deauxnim are victims, and Desiree does appear at the witness stand, though no testifying. You still missed Regina Berry as an answer to "someone who does not play a role in court or have a psyche-lock."

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yeah, nonspoilers: Regina Berry

Director Hotti too.
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hotti doesn't deserve any thought or consideration

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- I dont have a topknot! Then, uh, then what haircut do you have, Maya?
- Tigre even has a boring breakdown pose.
- Im shocked the computer lady didnt come up again. Maybe she appears in the later cases.
- Once again, there's no coda with Godot, the episode just ends.
- Ill be blunt: this is a pretty weak case. Its definitely worse than 3-1 and 3-2. The reveal of the crime being faked to cover up an identical real crime is super clever, but thats all this episode has going for it. Additionally, this case relied on a lot of coincidences that went beyond the normal kind of Phoenix Wright coincidences, I dont want to type them all out. And apparently the entire crime assumed Maggey would fall unconscious? That doesnt really seem like something you can predict. Add to that that Tigre is a boring villain with nothing going for him, Kudo is a boring witness, and Armstrong is just really bad (probably the worst witness in the series) It doesnt help that Phoenix only defeats Tigre because hes an idiot who blurts everything out, but at any point previous to that, Godot should have objected and prevented that from even happening. Now that I think about it, the third case always seems to be the worst in the game, huh? Because this is definitely in the bottom two with 2-3.

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Yeah, I could tell you weren't digging this case due to the fact that you really had nothing to say about it. Oh well.

The last two cases are fantastic.

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I can accept the rest but he has a great breakdown

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okay well this site apparently doesn't support gif uploads yet. guess that was too much to hope for

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3-3 isn't a premeditated crime so there was no planning involved. it happens only because elg wins the lottery. the whole case is obviously a coverup.

3-3 is really good because of the interesting characters and because of the mystery of how the murder happened. it also has peak maya, who I'm not crazy about in general but I think she's really excellent here. I'm not going to debate this endlessly but I just wanted to say I really liked it.

but it's not on 3-4's level. go go

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3-4 now please

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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, I could tell you weren't digging this case due to the fact that you really had nothing to say about it. Oh well.

That's a good way to put it. There wasn't even much to complain about. The only memorable thing in it is Armstrong, which is not to the episode's benefit. I like how Waitress Maya is on the episode cover but she's only in the uniform for five seconds.

NFUN posted...

I can accept the rest but he has a great breakdown

Never.

transience posted...

3-3 is really good because of the interesting characters and because of the mystery of how the murder happened. it also has peak maya, who I'm not crazy about in general but I think she's really excellent here. I'm not going to debate this endlessly but I just wanted to say I really liked it.

Peak Maya? She does almost nothing! She dresses in a waitress uniform, calls her sister, and hides under a desk.

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Maya freaking out during the Tender Lender investigation is part of what makes it work so well. It made me legitimately nervous to examine anything in there.

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that case doesn't play without Maya. she sells tres bien and tender lender really well, and the case is overall just funny. I think it's one of the best at that.

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Hm... Do people agree with me on the case not being very good? Is it generally one of the less liked ones? Because most people seemed to agree on 2-3.

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Anagram posted...

Hm... Do people agree with me on the case not being very good? Is it generally one of the less liked ones? Because most people seemed to agree on 2-3.

go back a topic

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oh 2-3 is garbage and everyone agrees. people mostly like 3-3, though apparently it has some vocal haters? (which is fine)

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Guess I'm one of the minority.

I just realized, both 3-2 and 3-3 had Phoenix win by tricking the killer into saying something they only learned in the court when he wasn't around. What a weird thing to reuse.

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Well, Phoenix didn't trick Atmey in 3-2. He got overconfident and Mia was actually the one who called him out on making additional statements they could cross-examine and saved the day.

But yeah, the fact that Godot let Phoenix bluff the Tiger into confessing might be one of his weaker moments as a prosecutor. Literally no other prosecutor in the series just stands by and lets that happen.


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godot's pretty new at the whole prosecuting thing, to be fair

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Ill talk more about my impressions of Godot once I finish the game, of course. Ill do rankings of whatever people suggest, but Ill definitely include cases, prosecutors, witnesses, and defendants

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play more ace attorney games after

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Anagram posted...

Peak Maya? She does almost nothing! She dresses in a waitress uniform, calls her sister, and hides under a desk.

You may not like it, but this is what Peak Maya looks like.

EDIT: Also this case isn't that good, though I don't think it's bad. Just average.

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3-3 is a slightly above average case. Definitely way better than 2-3!

3-4 is one of the best non-epic cases in the series, though (defining those to be all of the final cases plus 1-4 since it was originally a final case).

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I consider 3-4 as part of 3-5 tbh. Same with 5-4 and 5-5

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hot take: godot good

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Lolo_Guru posted...

play more ace attorney games after

School starts back up on the 13th. I might not finish the trilogy in time as it is, but I can at least definitely finish in the first week of school. After that, I'll be too busy. Plus, I prefer playing on the PC. I may play them in the future, but it won't be immediately after finishing AA3.

LordoftheMorons posted...

3-3 is a slightly above average case. Definitely way better than 2-3!

I might say it's better than 2-3 and maybe the tutorials, but I really disliked most of the cast, and Godot did nothing uniquely Godot-ish this case. There was no moment when he outwitted Phoenix like last case or anything like that, the only thing is when he declares that if you press Tigre on the wrong thing, he'll penalize you.

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Alright, time to speak my peace for ya Anagram.

1. The phoney Phoenix. Furio Tigre looks/talks/acts NOTHING like Phoenix. The fact that anyone, even our beloved scatterbrained Judge, was fooled, already puts this case's absurdity level through the roof and requires suspension of disbelief to an extreme degree even by this series' standards.

2. The supporting cast. Armstrong is ugly, gross, and annoying. Kudo is ugly, gross, and annoying. Tigre is annoying. Sorry, but I hate having to analyze every last letter to figure out what the hell this dialect is supposed to mean. Basil is just so weird and out of place even in this wacky world (and slightly annoying). Maggey is not likable enough to be a recurring defendent. Even our main cast seems to be particularly unlikable in this one, especially Gumshoe, who is at an all-time low. I WILL give slight props to Viola though.

3. The stupidity of how much time gets wasted with frivolous things. The fact that the entire first day of cross-examination is just everyone running around in circles trying to prove whether or not Kudo is a credible witness because of the most mundane details. The fact that so much time is spent on the second day on the mirror thing which is possibly the most idiodic "twist" in the entire series. Shit like that makes the case not fun to play.

4. The errand running. This is awful in general but in this case it's amped up to 11. So much investigation time is spent just running from place to place taking/giving things to/from people. It's awful.

5. Penalties for pressing. This isn't unique to this case and will always make me give the game the -_- face, and here it's because the Judge is literally scared of the witness. Fuck off.

To its VERY minimal credit, I have a few good things to say about it. As I said before, Viola is a decent character of the day. There are a few funny lines from Phoenix and the Judge. The way Phoenix traps Tigre at the end is pretty great, and I hate to admit it, but the Tres Bien theme is stupidly catchy. High tier at the absolute worst. But those positives pale in comparison to just how awful the bad things are.

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I hate to admit it, but the Tres Bien theme is stupidly catchy

okay now I know not to trust your opinion on anything ace attorney because holy crap

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I mean it's kind of catchy but not in a good way

more in a "augh I can't get this out of my head" way

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48SB3JcyGs

I wanna go back to a minute ago where I forgot what this sounded like.

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I love AA3 a lot and I can't picture any of its music out of game

except for tres bien

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AA3's soundtrack is the best except for the fact that they use AA2's investigation core (engarde reveal theme) too much and they should have gotten a new song

Yeah, I feel like AA3 is where they actually got serious with the soundtrack for the first time.

Not to say AA1 and 2 have bad soundtracks, but AA3's just feels different from those.

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