Board 8 > Zelda plays Danganronpa Part 3 - Rise and Shine, Ursine

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It's also a shame there weren't two murderers in case 3-5

"Did you kill Tenko?"

"What? No I only killed Angie!"

It'd be real interesting seeing the rest of the class work with a confirmed murderer(Excluding Genocide Jill who doesn't actually kill anyone in 1 because she's compelled to kill certain targets in a way that would make her too obvious).

Hell even the murderer themselves. Imagine becoming desperate enough to murder someone in cold blood, only for it to not count due to the rules of the game. And now you not only have to live with that guilt, but you're surrounded by people who now hate you and still think you deserve to die.


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Umbreon posted...

It's also a shame there weren't two murderers in case 3-5

"Did you kill Tenko?"

"What? No I only killed Angie!"

It'd be real interesting seeing the rest of the class work with a confirmed murderer(Excluding Genocide Jill who doesn't actually kill anyone in 1 because she's compelled to kill certain targets in a way that would make her too obvious).

Hell even the murderer themselves. Imagine becoming desperate enough to murder someone in cold blood, only for it to not count due to the rules of the game. And now you not only have to live with that guilt, but you're surrounded by people who now hate you and still think you deserve to die.

If they ever make another killing game, I want to see this happen.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Oh btw guys I'll likely won't do any gameplay until friday. Maybe saturday. Keep the thread bumped for me if I forget.

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Ok, so when we last checked, we had just lost two great characters to a Case 5 again, Monokuma had activated a flashback light that apparently does nothing, Junko had appeared in a scene that lacked a lot of context, and Keebo had gone rogue.

I just watched what looks like a creepy promotional video. Some lame kid named Makoto is depressed but thankfully there is entertainment (killing game?) in his phone to keep him distracted. Moving on...

90% of the game's budget just flashed before my eyes for a few seconds.

Shuichi calling Keebo with the same voiced line they used for Debate Scrum sounds silly.

What's with those kids and mass suicide plans?

Hmm I wonder if Keebo's inner voice being silenced is the result of that flashback light.

Eh DR2's killing game didn't have an audience either but I'll take the argument. Then again, DR2's plot was a special kind of silly.

Monokid: "Let's kill him until he dies from it!". lol.

An epic battle between Keebo and the Exisals begins. I'd play that game.

Now comes the part where we get into the final locked rooms to learn all the truth about the plot. This time around the stuff they know is so negative that I expect the new revelations to make things more hopeful.

Is Kokichi really confirmed as a remnant of despair? Cuz they keep saying that.

Keebo's battle opens up a very covenient hole on the floor of the room I happen to be right now.

A timed mission? I guess that's the dumb mini-game you guys talked about? Eh.

Ooooh Kokichi's lab. I'm curious.

This lab looks awesome. But as Shuichi pointed out, it's probably all just a prank.

"That doesn't seem like something the remnants of despair would use". Eh I dunno Shuichi, have you seen those freaks?

We find a mysterious book. Classic Case 6.

Maki gives a rundown of previous game's plots. The DR1 part sounds accurate. The DR2 part feels lacking, but I don't blame those kids for not knowing what happened in that simulator.

Ok so Shuichi claims the book contradicts his memories of the story. Checking the truth bullet, the only thing weird is that it seems to exclude the Reserve Course. Otherwise it all seems fine. Hmm...

The flashback light finally activates, but it doesn't seem to reveal anything new. Well, that lame kid from the chapter intro is in it. Final villain maybe?

Ok so the boulder moving mini-game isn't based on free time points like I was fearing, just on a level up thing that appeared just now.

Wtf are those exisals doing?

Ok, first things first. What is Rantaro's efigy doing here? Was Kokichi planning to revive him? I'm down to that.

The game doesn't let me investigate the effigy, though, even though it's the most interesting object here.

We find Kokichi's motive video, which reveals his organization was responsible for... nonviolent crimes and pranks. Yeah this sounds like a Kokichi thing.

The second most interesting thing in the room is that board showing everyone's pictures. The game doesn't let me check that either. Meh.

Maki stayed behind to check Kokichi's blueprints, but her "friendship power" stays. Stupid gameplay and story segregation.

I stop to grab a hidden Monokuma who is riding a floating rocket. Priorities.

"Twins b"

Oh shit is this an evil twin plot? But whose? Rantaro? Tsumugi? Shuichi? Everything is possible now.

We see a memory of Shuichi talking to Makoto. Which, again, doesn't reveal anything new.

I unlock the Keebo Gun, which is basically yelling for Keebo to come save me. lol.

Eh I really hope I don't have to repeat this entire investigation, because it doesn't seem like I'm gonna make it under the time limit.

DR1 had a deal made with Monokuma to unlock all the rooms. DR2 had virtual!Junko just volunteer all the info because that was part of her keikaku. DRV3 has a berserk robot tearing all the locked doors apart. Progress.

Rantaro's lab has a bunch of portraits, and two safes. I'm guessing Ultimate Thief. Which is cool but kind of mundane for the game's most mysterious character.

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but I love how Himiko's laugh sounds like an evil witch's.

Well, I guess that "Twins B" is the vault password. So much for an evil twin plot.

Spent some time trying to figure out the animal password. Then I remembered... Horse A! But this makes things weird because Kokichi eventually changed that writing. Was he the one who originally wrote it, or did he just change it?

I managed to do it a few seconds before the game shows me, so I don't feel completely stupid.

Oh hey it's that video from Rantaro we saw like... 2 chapters ago?

Oh boy the plot thickens!

There was a killing game before this one, and Rantaro won. He's the Ultimate Survivor. Makes me wonder if he had an actual talent before that one, or his natural talent is just winning killing games. Also he wanted the second one for some reason. Or is it the second one? Monokuma said the killing game is eternal, maybe there were many games before this one. Also the fact only 2 people make it is important, but Rantaro wasn't allowed to reveal it to his future self for some reason. Finally, he had a perk at the start, which he was going to use to end the game if it wasn't for Kaede and her rolling ball.

Another pointless memory. Now onto Rantaro's room.

Or not. Shuichi wants to check what is probably the Monokuma Door on the basement, and Tsumugi wants to check a new door that just appeared.

We see the 16 students meeting up right before the trip. I wonder if Kiyo was already planning on murdering all the girls in this scene.

AAAAAAAAAND the twin plot is back! I didn't expect it to be Kaede's twin, though.

Inb4 Kaede is the mastermind. This game could do anything.

the time limit is such a dumb mechanic

but keebo going ssj is amazing

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"Kaede having a twin doesn't really matter, does it?" Sorry Shuichi, but if something is mentioned, it matters.

Well I guess the mastermind is either Kaede or her sister, and my Tsumugi theory is more or less busted. And Kaede/sister is the mother the kubs kept mentioning. Possibly the one Rantaro wanted to win with, too. I'm mentioning both because there is a 50% chance the one who died in chapter 1 is the sister, not the real Kaede.

With this, DR has 2 secret twin plots in 3 games, tieing with what AA had at the same point (though one of AA's used plastic surgery to cheat). AA would later gain a third twin plot, but only in the second trilogy.

Gonta's bug plot comes up out of nowhere, and in a weird way.

Ok so Himiko checked Rantaro's room already. Though she found nothing. Poor Himiko, she just wanted to help.

Monotaro attacks, but Keebo takes him down with a karate move. Cool.

The limit limit ends, but the game brings me back to the previous scene with half of it left. Phew.

By the way thanks for telling me to ignore the time limit, guys. I pretty much took my time to check things out.

We enter the boss room to meet... a giant Monokuma head. Let me guess, Junko AI is in it again?

Motherkuma is a dumb but cool boss name.

Shuichi figures something out from the shot put ball, but I don't. Nobody has pink hair except Junko. Well, Kaede had pink clothes, I guess.

Two shot put balls, though. One that killed Rantaro and one that... didn't? One for each twin? Hmm.

I second on Motherkuma wanting killing games to never end because they are so fun. Shut up and take my money.

Kaede/Twin comes to this room whenever Monokuma needs a spare. Wait, didn't he need a spare in the middle of Chapter 1? I don't remember the sequence of events from it, but that's probably a key point.

I would pay to play Rantaro's original killing game, honestly.

We get a somewhat silly flashback of Monokuma appearing and starting the game. The most interesting point is Shuichi being awake, I suppose.

Oh so they were woken up one by one. Makes it impossible to figure out who the mastermind is.

Himiko is trapped. Shuichi's plan to rescue her is ask Monokuma. I guess he wants another trial? We need a corpse for that first, though.

Time is up again. This mechanic is really annoying.

I meet a flashback light control panel. It has a bunch of memories to remember, but they seem to contradict each other. Are all the flashback lights... lieing? Maybe the original trilogy is a story inside a story?

Himiko shows up out nowhere, apparently having escaped from the girl's bathroom. Weird.

A hidden passageway connected to the girl's bathroom. Suddenly my Tsumugi theory comes back with a vengeance. Cospox my ass.

I guess she is Kaede's sister, then?

xp1337 posted...

the time limit is such a dumb mechanic

but keebo going ssj is amazing

kibo is by far #1 in drv3. not sure where anyone else would rank atm.

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Nah, Top 3 in DRV3 is Kaito/Maki/Kokichi imo.

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Keebo is lame as heck and having a flashy transformation doesn't change that

Keebo is cool but he's not top tier material imo.

Yes, Himiko. You were useful. In fact, you probably just solved the entire mystery. Good job.

Monokuma yelling "All glory to the killing game!" is both creepy and cool.

We'll have another class trial. But this won't be about figuring out a murder, just "the truth". Which makes this more like 2-6 then 1-6, meh.

They have a point though, Monokuma accepted it easily. I guess it doesn't matter if the kids figure out the setting, they need to stop these infinite killing games altogether. How they will do that is the question.

Keebo's inner voice is back. They mentioned something about his antenna hair too. Was it missing during his ssj mode? I don't remember.

Keebo is finally proud of being a robot. Because it's not just being human that matters, but being able to save your friends and find hope. Good job, Keebo.

Oh boy, the bugs are mini Monokumas with cameras. THAT'S where the cameras were all along.

Monokubs had a sixth ranger! What a tweeest! We need a new opening now, there's always a new opening when a sixth ranger is introduced.

"All your relationships will end in love triangles curse". Damn, Himiko makes some scary curses.

Monokuma places bombs in the kubs. For some reason. Can't say I mind killing the kubs again, though.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Was it missing during his ssj mode? I don't remember.

Yes it was.

It got knocked off during Kaito's execution.
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Cast members (including Monokuma) be like "Okay Shuichi you brought us here now wtf do we do".

We are going to redo 3-1. This gun be fun. Cospox will not save you this time, Tsumugi.

Shuichi is being revolutionary right now. Monokuma is never wrong. Sure, 3-5 just happened, but even then the possibility of Monokuma being wrong would force the whole game to stop. The closest we have to that is Junko's actions in 1-5/6, and even then she played a lot of 4D chess to be able to pull that "cheat" off.

Shuichi is straight up calling BS and betting his life on that claim. I like the way this kid plays. We've come a very long way from 3-1. Kyoko would be proud.

Rebuttal Showdown vs the Monokubs. I dig it.

Someone else was at the library. And in that case, 3-1 is cracked open. Kaede's whole setup could have just failed. Bravo, Shuichi.

RIP again, Monokid. At least this game knows to kill the worst kub first every time. And lol at the twisted Lion King reference. 2nd time this series has one.

I gotta say, Monokuma terrorizing his kubs with that detonator is incredibly fun. Though it's creepy that the mastermind kleeps making new versions of them only to kill them in cruel ways.

Monodam is basically the MVP of the team this time.

New way to plain Danganronpa: hire your offspring to do it for you and threaten to kill them if they fail. Creative.

First layer of trolling: show the PoV character looking at the murder weapon but not her taking it so you can reveal later that she used it. Second layer: 5 cases later, reveal the murder weapon she grabbed was not the same one that was used. DR in a nutshell.

I asked earlier if 3-1 could be topped and they did even more than that: they improved 3-1 altogether.

xp1337 posted...

Nah, Top 3 in DRV3 is Kaito/Maki/Kokichi imo.

kaito and maki are arguably bottom 3

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SeabassDebeste posted...

kaito and maki are arguably bottom 3

Oh boy you're gonna dislike my rankings.

Ah yes we're getting to the great parts. Also Kibo is adorable.

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kaito is fine but maki is really boring and lame

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SeabassDebeste posted...

kaito and maki are arguably bottom 3

DeepsPraw posted...

maki is really boring and lame

Leave and never return

We are in the first half of the case and Shuichi already proved Kaede innocent. He's on a roll here. That's probably going to cost a Monokub's life.

Wow he killed Monodam this time. Monokuma doesn't give a fuck, huh.

3-1's lame ass motive can be explained by the Mastermind getting desperate because the team's Makoto was just OP. She just made everyone friends and nullified the killing game from the start. And even that motive failed, so they had to take a next step and make a kill of their own. Did they know Kaede was also trying to make a kill, too, or was that a lucky coincidence? Would have they pinned the blame on someone else had Kaede not made her kill attempt?

Ok so the kids deduce the mastermind knew about her killing plan, but had a fail safe in case the ball missed. That's some speed chess right there.

Shuichi just broke Danganronopa.

Shuichi is making me reassess the notion that a DR protagonist is boring. He is badass as fuck right now. And he's doing it without plot SSJ powers or help from Kyoko. He's just cracking the game open with pure logic, Apollo Justice style.

"All the guys you date will be single fathers curse". They keep getting scarier.

If Tsumugi is the mastermind she's being pretty bold by bringing the twin sister plot in. I mean, she just eliminated Shuichi and Keebo from the pool. Though this plot could be a diversion.

I guess Tsumugi (who may or may not be Kaede's twin sister in the end) brought that up to imply the mastermind is a secret 17th player they would not have access to. But this is not DR1. The mastermind is standing in the class trial right now.

This Mastermind did not have the luxury of a sister who actually worshipped her and would disguise as her so she could stay hidden.

The game is letting me go after Tsumugi kind of early in the trial. I'm now feeling this is too easy.

Eat shit, Tsumugi. Assuming that's not a red herring.

The only thing that keeps this case unsolved is that the bathroom thing is not conclusive proof. Tsumugi is now the most obvious suspect, but Keebo and a few dead people still have crappy alibis. Tsumugi may have just went to the bathroom at a different time the killer went in.

Well, this case seems to have fewer truth bullets so maybe it's just shorter and the second half will involve explaining the plot, similarly to 1-6.

Shuichi is not considering the possibility that Tsumugi went there at a different time. This feels like a plot hole. Keebo could have gone there one hour earlier and nobody would have noticed.

The "give birth" thing is clever and I hadn't noticed that myself. But it's STILL not conclusive. I can see Tsumugi's goose cooking in her eyes, though.

Bye Monosuke. You suck at arguing.

We are about to solve the case for good and Monokuma is like "lol so exciting". Fuck.

Now he's rushing the case. We are about to be trolled, huh.

This closing argument even has fewer panels. It's like the whole thing is just a distraction.

It starts at Act 4 this time. Cool.

NEW ACT 5 unlocked.

No Hangman's Gambit. No Mind Mine. No rythm game. No Debate Scrum or 3-way debate thing. Unused truth bullets in the list. I'm calling sheganigans.

And Tsumugi played the Junko card. Damn Tsumugi, that's too simple.

Oh shit. Tsumugi is Junko.

It's always Junko.

The 53rd. Okay.

But the trial is still not over, so I guess the twist this time will be "it's not actually Junko after all". This is gonna be fun.

I guess she's either a clone or a robot. And if robot, she has Virtual!Junko installed in her CPU. Told you that AI was going to come back in some way.

She said Kokichi is a remnant. Contradiction detected.

I was right. The cast is not aware of Despair Arc. They think it was just Junko.

They also seem to think the killing game was the cause of despair, but that's flat out wrong. The killing game was just the icing on the cake.

Hmm the book kind of contradicts the original canon too, if it ignores the existance of the Reserve Course.

Ok maybe there isn't a save point and we are close to the end, but this is taking too long. I'm taking a break.

Can you guys tell me if there is a middle save point in 3-6 or not?

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Can you guys tell me if there is a middle save point in 3-6 or not?

I honestly don't remember.

You are about halfway through or so, I believe?

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Shuichi is making me reassess the notion that a DR protagonist is boring. He is badass as fuck right now. And he's doing it without plot SSJ powers or help from Kyoko. He's just cracking the game open with pure logic, Apollo Justice style.

Told you V3's protagonist is the best of the bunch by a mile :p

Shuichi is awesome.

I spent the whole game really wishing I could have Kaede back.

But this trial finally has Shuichi rocketing up my ranks to second favorite character in the series. Hes so good here.

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Kaede might still be above Shuichi for me. Her death really got to me.

But they are both great.

It's always Junko!

I do feel that Tsumugi should've pushed back harder when she was getting grilled. Like you said, it was all circumstantial evidence.

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Uh-oh. Saving and quitting between Tsumugi turning Junko and a later plot point leads to a bug that might spoil that plot point early. We'll see when you come back.

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Exciting.

Raka_Putra posted...

It's <i>always</i> Junko!

I do feel that Tsumugi should've pushed back harder when she was getting grilled. Like you said, it was all circumstantially evidence.

And the game designers should have given Tsumugi actual things to do all game so I wouldn't start suspecting her to be mastermind in Chapter 4.

Her blandness made her stick out like a sore thumb.

Yeah Team Dangan Ronpa's writer kinda dropped the ball there.

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It's interesting because, thinking about it, Tsumugi did an amazing job infiltrating the cast. She had to pretend she didn't know what was going on, she had to fake despair and sadness a bunch of times, and she nailed every single one.

I only suspected her because the universe itself avoided her and did not let her bump into plot events or be suspected by other people. So it's a 4th wall reason not a story one.

That said her murder plan was kind of weak. Expecting people to never get into her secret room when the game doesn't even have a rule against breaching doors (and not adding that rule in the first place) is very dumb. Announcing she was going to the bathroom was also unnecessary.

She's not the Ultimate Cosplayer for no reason. <3

Also, yeah, the least she could do was get rid of that stupid murder weapon.

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Raka_Putra posted...

She's not the Ultimate Cosplayer for no reason. <3

Also, yeah, the least she could do was get rid of that stupid murder weapon.

Taking the ball out of that room is a big risk though, because being seen with it is a bad idea. Keeping it in the room didn't really have a downside until Kiibo lost his shit and started blowing up the school, and that's not something she could have prepped for.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Taking the ball out of that room is a big risk though, because being seen with it is a bad idea. Keeping it in the room didn't really have a downside until Kiibo lost his shit and started blowing up the school, and that's not something she could have prepped for.

Eh IDK, I mean they've spent at least a few weeks in there, surely she can find a time to return it to the gym. At least that's what I would do, I'd feel uneasy having that in my secret lair.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Taking the ball out of that room is a big risk though, because being seen with it is a bad idea. Keeping it in the room didn't really have a downside until Kiibo lost his shit and started blowing up the school, and that's not something she could have prepped for.

The weapons were already in his lab- Miu didn't make them iirc. This one's on her.
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The weapons weren't what Tsumugi couldn't have planned for.

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Fuck Tsumugi. Second-worst character in the franchise.

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Inviso posted...

Fuck Tsumugi. Second-worst character in the franchise.

Wow, that's one stretch right here.

To suggest that Tsumugi is worse than both Hifumi and Yasuhiro is very strange, indeed.

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Inviso posted...

Fuck Tsumugi. Second-worst character in the franchise.

Bruh what

what the fuck did you say

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It's a bit of a stretch to say that Tsumugi is the second worst character in her own game, let alone the franchise.

Inviso posted...

Gently caress Tsumugi. Second-best girl in the game.

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Yeah, trying to stretch Tsumugi as only the second-worst character in her own game is pretty rough, since every other DRv3 character is so good.

All these second-worst character in the series hot takes are kinda weird, though. Did everyone already forget about basically every character introduced in DR3, Monaca, Hiyoko, Mikan, Teruteru, Monomi, Hifumi, Yasuhiro, Leon, and Toko (Genocide Jack not included)?

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MrSmartGuy posted...

Monaca, Hiyoko,

He said worst characters not best

Just bought UDG on a Steam Sale, along a few other stuff (i. e. time to finally play RE1).

Well I'm not seeing any spoilery glitches. Phew.

Most of 2-6 was Hajime and his friends just being flung around by Junko, Makoto, Fake Makoto, etc. This time Junko tried to pull the same shit and Shuichi no-sold her in less than 5 minutes.

Life goal: get promoted to "Second Only to Junko" after spending a lot of time drinking soda and pulling childish pranks.

Wow, 3-5 was Tsumugi's plan all along. Cool.

Eh... Hajime? This feels fake.

Also why's up with his voice lol.

Oh so it's Tsumugi after all. Not Junko.

But why is she not having cospox? Unless... everyone she's cosplaying as is fictional?

Plot twist: Danganronpa is just a videogame.

Ok I'll give you that, that's one HELL of an original plot twist.

We Truman's Show now.

Hajime in this game is actually still Johnny Yong Bosch, he just kinda forgot how to do the Hajime voice after a few year break. Kinda like how the Monokuma voice actor forgot and started this game off with a reeeeeeally high-pitched voice that slowly lowers over the course of the game.

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