Board 8 > Zelda plays Danganronpa Part 3 - Rise and Shine, Ursine

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The Neo World Program sprites are pretty neat.

It's also nice to hear a version of Beautiful Lie without the piano, because any time I heard that song after Chapter 1 always got me down a little bit, despite being an upbeat track.

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Keebo is wondering if the wall around the academy is also the wall to the entire reality. It's possible.

This map loading point is totally going to be relevant to the case, and I love how 4th wall breaking it is. "Your honor, the victim could not have seen the murderer coming, because the map hadn't loaded for him yet!"

Daaaaw Maki is mad for being excluded.

Miu just forcebly split the party into two groups. The plot gears start to spin.

The "secret to the outside world" is probably a not a treasure chest hidden in some corner. It must be something more conceptual, like the ultimate weapon from 2-4.

"BANG!" Did someone get murdered already?

People who should be at the chapel are at the mansion area. I guess there is some way to cheat travel in this virtual world, and it's going to be extremely relevant.

Kaito, Kokichi and Miu are the ones unnacounted for. That doesn't look good for Miu's survivability prospects, since she's the most secundary of those.

Miu's avatar isn't moving. I expect a body as soon as we log out.

Of course I'm one of the last to log out.

I'm not even sure if Kokichi is being honest about helping me save everyone or just messing with me. Could be both.

RIP Miu. You were actually pretty funny.

Wow, we've never got a live body announcement before.

Poor Monotaro, just lost his mommy.

Well now there's a gender imbalance. 5 guys, 3 girls. That makes it way more likely the killer is a guy. Problem is, I don't like any of the options. I guess it's either Kaito or Kokichi because of their recent plot relevance, but I thought Kokichi would live longer, and Kaito... doesn't seem like the type. Keebo could do it but he hasn't had much actual relevance recently either, and Gonta doesn't even know what a virtual world is, this is impossible for him. As for the girls, Maki seems even less likely than Kaito, Himiko is immortal and I guess I could see Tsumugi but not much.

Ok I'm totally down for having Kokichi as a partner.

Ok so the plot is implying Kaito is the only suspect because he logged out before the murder. I know better and see we are probably dealing with a "if you die here you die in real life too" scenario. Miu was killed in-game. And Kaito will probably have to reveal his disease in the court to escape execution. Poor Kaito...

Kaito has cospox, he got it from Tsumugi.

(he doesn't)

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Raka_Putra posted...

Kaito has cospox, he got it from Tsumugi.

Kaito and Tsumugi were getting freaky off screen. Tsu likes to "roleplay". Unfortunately Kaito's an anti vaxxer so

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I think Miu was planning to kill someone in the virtual world, but it turned against her.

My guess is that she used some kind of backdoor only she had access to, and tried to move to the mansion to kill someone while having an alibi herself. But then she got killed by someone in there (Kokichi/Tsumugi). Or followed by someone from the chapel (Keebo).

The kubs have a... person they must protect?

Ooooh log in/out history. Juicy. But doesn't actually reveal anything new.

Switching the two cords in Miu's helmet would be one way to make the kill. But then only Kaito could do it. Too easy. Maybe that's just how you unlock the backdoor.

Of course there is also poison. This was too simple to be true.

Himiko is going to use a helmet that's already set up so she doesn't mistake the cords. I guess that's how we find what it does. Hope Himiko doesn't die from it.

The virtual version of the investigation song is pretty good.

Yay Shuichi is making friends with people not maps! lol.

Miu and Kokichi plotted to meet up. The plot thickens. The game is setting Kokichi to be a killer very hard, huh. I think that's a curve ball.

So the backdoor is probably in the bathroom. The one place nobody checked, of course.

So Miu could log other people out with a phone. Ha! That's how she set Kaito up.

So Miu added a wall only she could pass through. That's our backdoor. But it makes it hard for any of the people in the chapel to be the killer. Then again, the body was found in the chapel, so did she die before or after moving to there?

I guess it's Kokichi she planned to kill.

Yup, she had a paralyzing touch that only worked on Kokichi. That's our murder plot. Kill Kokichi, pin the blame on Kaito. But someone got her first. If it wasn't Kokichi himself.

Even Himiko is pointing out how Monotaro has a red flag.

There is some plot going on about how Shuichi is being restricted by his talent. I'm curious what this will turn into.

Ok, bold call time. There is no killer, this is some accident or suicide. And Monokuma will execute Monotaro for the trouble.

That's indeed a bold take.

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I just don't think anyone here fits as a killer.

Btw, spent some time grinding free time. Mostly of dead characters. Highlights: Gonta making Chrono Trigger differences, Shuichi trying to figure out how Kiyo eats with a mask, Miu thinking she's an augmented human, Keebo's cool backstory. Low points: talking with Tenko.

I mean

Shuichi: game is not repeating that twist
Gonta: too dumb to make any complex murder, too kind to kill on purpose
Keebo: doesn't fit the killer character either, and hasn't done much in this chapter
Kokichi: too obvious
Kaito: another curve ball

Maki: no, this game is about humanizing her
Himiko: not gonna die after all the deveopment
Tsumugi: maybe, but she was with Shuichi at the time of the murder and also hasn't done much this chapter either

I guess maybe Gonta accidentally killing someone could happen, Keebo/Tsumugi is not impossible even if it has zero foreshadowing, and maybe Kaito poisoned Miu after logging out? All seem unlikely enough to warrant making a bold claim this time.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Hmm... Himiko is Mahiru?

Also Shuichi is Nagito?

Negative in both cases. Neither is in the cast. (And as a reminder Nagito and Makoto are the same.)
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If you want a massive hint for Shuichi: the reason you're having trouble with him is that his VA didn't have enough lines for you to remember what he sounds like.
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kevwaffles posted...

If you want a massive hint for Shuichi: the reason you're having trouble with him is that his VA didn't have enough lines for you to remember what he sounds like.

You mean it's Leon. I was kind of imagining that would happen with someone.

Ok let's figure out who killed Miu.

Eh... why does Kokichi want to know what happens with two first places?

Himiko's new sprite of her throwing her hat upwrds is pretty cute. It's like a whole new character has been unlocked.

Strangulation is a new murder method for this series. I like how it's using different murder methods from previous games.

Miu's portrait has 3 Xs instead of 1. LOL.

And strangling with toilet paper is certainly... original.

I've noticed a huge improvement in Rebuttal Showdown this game. It no longer limits the number of slashes you can make. Yay for anti-frustration game design!

Miu you didn't pick the best target to kill. Kokichi probably saw right through it. Should have gone with someone more gullible like Gonta or Himiko.

This psyche taxi was more useless than usual. The first two questions had already been answered in the debate.

I'm wondering if Monokuma's sad mood is just a gag or if it has a meaning to the plot.

Monotaro is implying someone else is their mommy. I'm calling Tsumugi.

Have I mentioned I love Kokichi? He keeps this so entertaining. You accuse him and he doesn't even flinch.

No, Himiko, she did not use a warp zone. You need a special flute for that.

Those monokubs are totally going to be executed for talking too much.

Why... do we need two psyche taxis?

I just realized I made a mistake saving the files and deleted all that free time grinding I did yesterday. Welp, so much from wanting to complete this, I'm probably not doing it again. Gotta read it online later.

We are taking waaaaay too long to argue the "loop" feature of the world. Took a psyche taxi, a hangman's gambit, and it's still not over. Reminds me of all the architecture discussion in 2-4. That made the case less interesting.

Top 10 anime evil laughs. Delivered to you by Kokichi.

Shuichi solving everything? All part of the plan. Kokichi is playing everyone and I have no idea how. It's like this whole mystery doesn't matter, what matters is the macro-plan Kokichi is setting for the whole game. This is Nagito all over again, except I feel like it's going to be even better.

This setup pretty much guarantees none of the people in the chapel did it. Unless someone threw the toilet paper like a cowboy or something, lol. Kaito also seems to be out since he wasn't even in the virtual world.

Which leaves out: Shuichi, Kokichi, Gonta, Tsumugi. I don't see how it can be any of those, either. Respectively: MC, too obvious, too dumb to be a killer, and barely involved with the plot.

Something tells me that glitch with the avatars when people logged in, or the info about switching the two cords, is gonna be what cracks this case. Maybe releasing Kaito or Keebo as a possible killer again. Or allowing for a twist like a mistrial. Is it possible Kokichi found a way to kill Miu and not be executed for it?

"Gonta think we could have been friends if not for this killing game". "No way, Jose". LMAO. Sorry, Gonta.

Like, this whole case is a sham, what really matters is Kokichi's plan. Whatever that is.

A second hagman's gambit... meh.

Even when the answer is simple, the hangman's gambit has to be complicated. "Slid off roof". Why not just "gravity" or something like that?

A sudden sonic reference appears!

The way the plot is setting it up, everyone has an alibi except Gonta and Kokichi. It can't be Gonta, right? And yet, Kokichi is still steering the trial.

I don't buy Kokichi's surprise at being caught. At. All.

It's lying time again. Hmm... why do I think Kokichi wants me to lie? It's a trap, isn't it.

This bastard has seen Shuichi lie to get to the truth twice already. And Kaede once. He saw through all of them. He knows Shuichi will do anything to find the truth. So the whole talk about how Shuichi is their hope was bait to get to this point, was't it?

Bait taken. They believe Shuichi. This is about to get ugly.

lol Tsumugi just handwaved the obvious contradiction because he's the fucking MC.

lol what's up with the "Confessing..." bar on the top.

Eh... Gonta?

Did Shuichi switch the cords to make Gonta his slave or something? If so, that might the one of the most evil things in this series so far. Kokichi is a monster.

Kokichi has yet another evil face, and it's the stuff of Cthulhu stories.

The parlyzing touch gave Kokichi an alibi. Genius.

Kokichi may have just surpassed Nagito. He's even going to live after his plan. Because we are going to execute Gonta, aren't we.

I have to debate scrum in order to help Kokichi's plan. Damn. Though I don't mind debate scrums, or that awesome song.

3v5 debate scrum. With more than one argument per character. Epic.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Kokichi may have just surpassed Nagito.

let's not say things we can't take back

Kokichi is definitely Top 3 in V3 though.

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xp1337 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Kokichi may have just surpassed Nagito.

let's not say things we can't take back

Kokichi is definitely Top 3 in V3 though

I dunno, theyre very close. I think Id slightly lean towards Nagito, but theyre both great and I wouldnt fault anyone for favoring Kokichi.
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In the Save My Danganronpa Character contest held here a few months ago, Kokichi ended up like 7 full spots above Nagito (something like 5th to 12th), I said that was an absolute crock, and I got tons of shit from the other participants for having that opinion. *shrug*

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THREE HANGMAN'S GAMBITS? Do those developers think we actually enjoy those or something?

Gonta literally died for being left-handed. Amazing.

I'm not sure if they can outsad 3-1 but they are certainly trying. I love this game.

Ooooh Kaito is providing valid counterpoints. You go, Kaito!

But... Kaito is not the protagonist, so he doesn't get to solve things.

Fighting Kaito in a boss battle over it makes it twice as sad tbh.

Kokichi is what Byakuya would have become if he hadn't been softened by Makoto first.

But there is no Makoto here. Cuz Makoto died in 3-1. There is only a Kyoko, and Kyokos only pursue the truth. The world is hopeless.

I'll take back what I said early on: Byakuya is a bargain bin Kokichi.

Fourth case is when a top tier character becomes the murderer. That's the recurring theme, I guess.

Virtual world sprites in comic book form is extra cute.

Only one vote for Kikichi. I'm guessing it was from Kaito.

This series never gonna stop having Alter Egos, will it.

Oh so Gonta was turned into despair after learning about the Tragedy V3 (that's what I'm calling it now).

So we get to execute Gonta and watch stuffed bear childbirth at the same time. Exciting.

Gosh, someone punch Kokichi.

Wow, a triple execution. Nasty.

RIP Monokubs. In the end, I liked you guys. But Monokuma is the OG, and I don't like how this game has had so little of him. Maybe he's get to shine now.

I'm sorry, guys.

Kokichi is better than Nagito (though 2-5 is still the best case in the series so far).

The gig is up. Now they all know Kaito is dieing.

Yep, Shuichi. You can't win this game by playing it. You have to break it.

Even Kokichi seems to know that.

So the writings in the rock were from him. Damn.

MrSmartGuy posted...

In the Save My Danganronpa Character contest held here a few months ago, Kokichi ended up like 7 full spots above Nagito (something like 5th to 12th), I said that was an absolute crock, and I got tons of shit from the other participants for having that opinion. *shrug*

12th is too low for Nagito, tbh.

But I'd argue 5th is too low for Kokichi too.

I could rank him #1 in the entire series and ii wouldn't feel wrong. Yet I don't wanna rank him first here yet because I don't think the bastard deserves that pleasure. Plus... I really like Kaito.

But he has all the marks of a great villain. The actual mastermind (*cough* Tsumu- *cough) will have a hard time not being outshined by him.

Tsumugi now has the honor of being the only character in the series to make to Case 5 without ever doing anything important.

Yeah shes bad.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Tsumugi now has the honor of being the only character in the series to make to Case 5 without ever doing anything important.

yasuhiro

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xp1337 posted...

yasuhiro

He was the main suspect for two consecutive cases.

Tsumugi isn't even a suspect. She doesn't even get to make us waste time like Hiro did.

yes, but counterpoint: it's yasuhiro

he was the original "but he's too dumb to pull it off"

and he only made you waste time because everyone in dr1 is a jerk and makes makoto do everything. the other casts at least try to help. >_>

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xp1337 posted...

yes, but counterpoint: it's yasuhiro

he was the original "but he's too dumb to pull it off"

and he only made you waste time because everyone in dr1 is a jerk and makes makoto do everything. the other casts at least try to help. >_>

I'm not comparing the quality of the cast. I agree Hiro is garbage.

I'm making a point on why I think Tsumugi is the mastermind.

If Tsumugi is not the mastermind, she's still a decent character comparable to the likes of Mondo and Celestia.

That said I think you make an interesting point on this cast being better in the sense that they are pretty good at spotting the curve balls and moving on.

Like, the case on Kaito didn't last the first 25% of 3-4.

But still, there was a case on Kaito. People don't even try to pin the blame on Tsumugi.

Did Sonia ever do anything important? I can't remember anything.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Did Sonia ever do anything important? I can't remember anything.

Was able to debunk Peko's serial killer story (but only after the vote.)

also took care of gundham's four dark devas of destruction after case 4 *salute*

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She had relevance in case 3 from telling Hiyoko about the full-length mirror, and in case 5, figured out that the fireworks weren't bombs. She's also the one who has the super sad music-less Rebuttal Showdown, defending Chiaki.

She's also DR2 best girl.

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Irrelevance is the defining mark of the DR2 surviving cast.

But all of them still did more than Tsumugi. Even Akane got to be an idiot and almost get Nekomaru killed.

I like the DR2 cast overall, but as time goes on, the game loses some of its shine. DR1 just has a much more coherent plot. I realize that playing DRV3 and realizing how much I missed this school setting.

Like, 2-4 doesn't hold a candle to 1-4 or 3-4, because it's just a distraction. And 2-5 is also another distraction. Everything is a distraction to the main plot of "talking with giant Junko and then using magic deus ex powers to prevent her from taking over a bunch of corpses".

Nagito is quite literally the worst character in the entire franchise. He is a walking embodiment of a Gary Stu.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

12th is too low for Nagito, tbh.

But I'd argue 5th is too low for Kokichi too.

I could rank him #1 in the entire series and ii wouldn't feel wrong. Yet I don't wanna rank him first here yet because I don't think the bastard deserves that pleasure. Plus... I really like Kaito.

But he has all the marks of a great villain. The actual mastermind (*cough* Tsumu- *cough) will have a hard time not being outshined by him.

1 was Chiaki and 2 was Gundham. I approved completely

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Inviso posted...

Nagito is quite literally the worst character in the entire franchise. He is a walking embodiment of a Gary Stu.

I don't think you are using the same definition of Gary Stu as everyone else. That requires other characters to actually like him, to begin with.

Chiaki is arguably much closer to that.

Inviso posted...

Nagito is quite literally the worst character in the entire franchise. He is a walking embodiment of a Gary Stu.

Can you define Gary Stu?
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I don't think you are using the same definition of Gary Stu as everyone else. That requires other characters to actually like him, to begin with.

Chiaki is arguably much closer to that.

That's not actually true. A Gary Stu doesn't need to be beloved. Otherwise there would be no such thing as a villain Gary Stu. No, the story of the entire game revolves around Nagito, and everyone caring about what Nagito is doing. It's the "Poochy" story.

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Oh, by the way, I was really proud of my Case 4 predictions. I nailed absolutely everything about it, from the way the world looped to the two endwalls being the same wall, to Miu's plot to murder Kokichi, and even the body being slid down the slanted roof into the chapel wall. The only hazy part left was who did it. By process of elimination (which was even sweeter for me, since this is exactly how it was done in the trial, too), my only two suspects were Gonta and Tsumugi.

However, I had one slight misconception. I thought the wall Miu created blocked sound, so my first guess was that Tsumugi rigged the clock outside to fall over, making a noise that would spur Shuichi outside, find the others across the river, and give herself an alibi. But then the trial began and the clock was never looked at and didn't become a truth bullet, so I gave up on that theory and my only suspect remaining was Gonta.

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Inviso posted...

That's not actually true. A Gary Stu doesn't need to be beloved. Otherwise there would be no such thing as a villain Gary Stu. No, the story of the entire game revolves around Nagito, and everyone caring about what Nagito is doing. It's the "Poochy" story.

Nagito is only a super major play in cases 1, 4, and 5. He especially has near-zero relevance in the endgame. The entire game does not revolve around Nagito.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Nagito is only a super major play in cases 1, 4, and 5. He especially has near-zero relevance in the endgame. The entire game does not revolve around Nagito.

He's major in case 3. So really, he's super important in 2/3 of the game.

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Inviso posted...

He's major in case 3. So really, he's super important in 2/3 of the game.

I don't remember him doing anything in that case.

And yeah he's one of the major characters. Most stories tend to have major characters.

Kyoko was more of a Mary Sue than Nagito, tbh. It got to the point where they started writing her out of investigations just so Makoto had something to do.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

Kyoko was more of a Mary Sue than Nagito, tbh. It got to the point where they started writing her out of investigations just so Makoto had something to do.

They're both Mary Sues, I'll admit that, but at least Kyoko is a Mary Sue for gameplay purposes. Nagito is basically everything wrong with Kyoko (solving everything and knowing everything) without even the "Ultimate Detective" conceit, plus the added negative of being an obnoxious attention whore for most of the game.

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Final guess: Monotaro is Taka

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Final guess: Monotaro is Taka

That's the one, yeah.

It's sad that Gonta is offed like that, not even fully comprehending (or at least remembering) what he'd done.

MrSmartGuy posted...

She's also DR2 best girl.

You've got that right!

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Reg posted...

That's the one, yeah.

This was utter and complete proccess of elimination.

So it's just Tsumugi, Himiko, and Keebo left to guess, right?

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Monokuma: "But the more I think about it, why did those kids even exist?". Yeah.

Kaito won't let a puny terminal illness get in the way of his mission to shape this party into an Ultimate Hope.

Shuichi has a point. Kokichi's problem is that he is the default suspect for every crime that happens from now on. If he wants to win, he should either plot the absolutely perfect crime (which is difficult when you're facing an Ultimate Detective), or do something more subtle, like what he just did to Gonta.

The problem is that Kokichi CAN do subtle. But he burned up all his goodwill in the last case, he'll have to do something even more effective now. Then again, he seems to have a plan.

The... Last Real Key and the Real Last Key. Also it seems that Monokuma gets the privillege to give out two prizes because he's the boss. Other bears could only give one prize each.

Kaito says there's no way the cockpit in his room will be real...

Oh shit I think I figured it out. We are in space, right? It's possible Gonta and Kokichi just saw the Earth in pieces or something. Also I recall seeing something about an alien disease. Could be related. Danganronpa is a space opera now.

Yep. Noah's Ark. Floating in space. I'm also gonna guess the school is not the entire spaceship, there is probably a bigger part, with more Ultimates watching the game or something. Wouldn't make sense to put just 16 people in a ship. Unless there are multiple ships.

I'm lowkey waiting for Maki to grab Shuichi and Kaito and say "make up already... or die".

Keebo: "a mecha could pop out!". lol.

Keebo, if you can't even memorize a code, you have failed as a robot.

This exisal hangar is totally the next crime scene. It has a convoluted means of entrance and a way to dispose of bodies. And the later ALSO has a convoluted control system.

I'm here wondering is the press safety system would work on Keebo and he decides to test it for me.

Sorry Keebo. You're not a person.

Bue let's be fair. You are more human than Kokichi, by a mile.

This door that looks like something out of Brutal Legend is probably Kokichi's. Which leaves only Rantaro's left.

Oh damn it's Rantaro's. Now that's interesting.

I almost want to make a truce with Kokichi just to see if he can pick this lab's lock.