Board 8 > Zelda plays Danganronpa Part 3 - Rise and Shine, Ursine

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Suddenly, poorly designed 3D faces appear and start yelling random fandom slangs. The horror.

Oh hey, Sayaka just spoke with Tsumugi's voice. That's one less guess I have to make.

In the end, the series starts and ends with Sayaka. Poetic.

The V... was a 5. The twists keep coming.

The names of the games of DR4 onwards sound pretty boring tbh.

That trailer I had to see in the beginning suddenly got a lot creepier.

The million dollar question is whether those 11 people died or not. I'm going with yes, because Future Arc already pulled that twist enough.

"We are all fictional"? Okay, now my brain got twisted. A person cannot "discover they are fictional", unless V3 is also fiction inside another fiction which is just lame.

I love how Nagito is the one who gets to tell them they have no talent.

Hmm let me go through this:

Shuichi is an amazing detective, alright. But he's not MUCH better than Makoto or Hajime so that's not impossible.
Kaito was never really an astronaut.
Maki knows about assassinations, but those memories may have been implanted. We've never seen her asassinate anyone, except for Kaito/Kokichi, which was pretty sloppy anyway.
Kiyo knows anthropology, but that can be implanted too.
Gonta's entomology? Implanted. Though his super strength would be harder to fake. But that's not an ultimate talent so whatever.
Miu invented a lot of cool things, but those things could have been enabled by stage props.
Himiko can do real magic... or can she? The tank she was given was ridiculously easy to use.
Tenko is never seen actually making any difficult moves.
Angie made some real good effigies though. This one is hard to fake. Then again, she thinks Atua made them for her, so maybe they just put het to sleep and then placed the effigies there.
Rantaro's talent isn't even a talent.
Kokichi's talent is already fake by definition.
Keebo is... dressed as a robot? Or maybe robots are just real but the stuff he did in 3-6 was helped by props.
We never see Kaede playing the piano.
Ryoma never plays tennis during the story, either.
Kirumi is all about her backstory, which is fake, and wanting to serve people, which is a desire not a talent. Well she is good at making food, so there's that. Unless the food is also provided by the staff.

Most of those are easy to fake, though some are pretty hard to pull off. Shuichi's is probably the hardest, which is fitting because he is the MC so his arc could be about becoming real. Keebo and Angie require some imagination but money can do anything.

Damn, RL Shuichi is so lame.

In DR2, the protagonist learns he is a psycho. In V3, he learns he is a loser.

Damn they even predicted Shuichi getting good at it.

This setting is arguably the most despair-inducing yet. With all the character development being fake. It's like victory doesn't even matter anymore. The mastermind is just an employee.

Kaede and Kaito are assholes in RL. I think I'm just gonna disregard all the "real" versions of the characters for my ranking, tbh.

"Junko" is making the same point she made in Despair Arc. If Despair = Chaos, people want it because order is boring. But in this universe, instead of killing each other, they make a reality show for it. Humans jsut want to see blood. I mean, I'm playing a game about death myself right now.

This section is going for too long. I get it, everything sucks, move on.

Bad End? Wut?

Okay, I take back what I said.

Tsumugi is the second-worst student character in the trio of killing games (so no anime, no UDG, no monokubs).

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The 4th wall is broken. We DDLC/Undertale now.

First time I ever win a game but not saving. Except for save scumming, ofc.

Did Keebo suddenly become the viewpoint character? I'm okay with that.

Well, he does have the Makoto Hair, so I guess he's the Ultimate Hope in the end.

Ooooooh Keebo is the audience surrogate. Makes sense. Explains why his personality is kind of bland.

So Keebo is really a robot. Okay.

I guess the solution here is not breaking the game, but playing along with the audience. I mean, the coolest thing about Truman's Show was seeing him win and escape, not seeing him suffer.

This 6x Hope bullet thing was definitely the most difficult mechanical part in the series so far. I thought I'd have to lower the action difficulty. But in the end I made it.

Shuichi is making some good points about hope sucking, though.

Shuichi starts being a protagonist again, by solving remaining unsolved plot points. Atta boy.

Having a MC that's too smart is hard, though, because I have no idea what he's saying myself.

Ooooh so Rantaro sacrificed himself the last time. This is tricky.

So the only way to win is by losing? Interesting.

FUCK YEAH let's not vote and make this game's ending suuuuuuuuck!

In the end, I didn't win the game by hoping, but by not believing in hope. That's the lie mechanic taken to the extreme conclusion.

After such a Danganronpa-denying ending it almost feels wrong to even have another DR game.

I'm now Himiko.

And now I'm Maki.

I mean, Tsumugi being the only survivor would be lame as fuck, so it works for the purposes of ruining the game.

And now the "gameplay" is not playing. lol.

Psyche Taxi is one game I'm happy in not playing.

"omg management, do your job". LMAO. Angry fandoms are scarier than Junko.

I love how someone in the audience says "This guy should have died instead of Kaede". lol.

Told ya they'd make a clever mechanical play with this manual voting.

We won by convincing the world DR sucks. Damn, now I kind of regret buying UDG lol.

Everybody dies.

The end.

Or not. Just Keebo and Tsumugi.

Oh, of course. Wouldn't be DR without an open ending.

What a ride.

The audience comments in the background are hilarious btw. I loved reading them as they changed throughout the trial.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

The weapons weren't what Tsumugi couldn't have planned for.

Now that you've beaten the game I can elaborate on this. Tsumugi couldn't have planned for Keebo's antenna getting knocked off during an execution. Even after that, his reaction to free will would've had to be go nuts and blow everything up like he did. It was such a remote possibility that Tsumugi probably never thought of it.

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I had the exact same thought as you during the fourth wall-breaking everything's fiction reveal. I enjoyed it at first, but the game reeeeeeeeally drags on a good half hour beyond what it needed to to drive the point home, and the final trial truly suffers because of it. I had to put the game down and just sulk in anger for a good two hours because of it.

But then I let those hours become days and weeks and months, and as time went on, the more I appreciated it. Everything about the final trial. It's a massive deconstruction of its own fanbase, and it's glorious.

Some final notes about this game being the 53rd season of Danganronpa:

• The Monokubs are actually deliberately terrible and pointless. The Danganronpa staff was running out of ideas and shoehorned them in so they could sell more merchandise and expand the brand.
• That kid was named Makoto because the parents were huge DR fans and named their kid after the first protagonist.
• In Shuichi's lab, there is a bookcase full of murder mysteries. On that shelf are exactly 52 books. It also notes that some of the murders look more realistic, while others are just drawings. They're books with the murders of the other 52 Danganronpas, and the drawings are the ones that were from the games and anime.
• Tsumugi was constantly throwing out references, not because she's a bad character (well, she is, but that's beside the point), but because she was trying to keep the audience engaged.
• This is the only game with the disclaimer that all characters in the game are fictional.

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What a ride indeed.

And hell yeah the audience comments are so great.

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Oh I didn't really get mad at the game. DR2 also drags out too much. And the ending was fantastic.

Really don't know how they can continue the series after this. I mean, they could (and V3 leaves the ending open enough for that) but this ending was such a perfect wrap-up for the series. I'd buy a DR4 (or DR54) but would be less excited about it. Right now I'm even doubting if I'll play UDG. I feel like putting this series away for a long time and just letting the experience sink in.

Surprised you didn't pick up on the Tsumugi cosplay stuff earlier.

I too suspected her as the mastermind as early as chapter 3. She just doesn't DO anything. Seeing Junko in the secret room at the end of chaper 5, I immediately knew it was Tsumugi in cosplay

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And ending aside, this was without a doubt the best game in the series. Best cast, best mini-games, 3 very strong trials (1, 5 and 6) and 3 good ones.

DeepsPraw posted...

Surprised you didn't pick up on the Tsumugi cosplay stuff earlier.

I too suspected her as the mastermind as early as chapter 3. She just doesn't DO anything. Seeing Junko in the secret room at the end of chaper 5, I immediately knew it was Tsumugi in cosplay

Cospox, man. It kind of programmed my brain to not think about Tsumugi disguising as others, I guess.

Which was a clever plot point, imo. Imagine how annoying the game would have been if Tsumugi on disguise was brought up as a possibility every case. Sort of like what happened with "Gonta just broke it".

Then again, that would have forced Tsumugi to do something, which would have improved the plot.

I am basically with you on the fact that I don't think the series needs or necessarily want to see a continuation here (Though I'd play the hell out of it if there were), and honestly thought the twist was Kodaka's commentary on why he thought he was writing V3 to begin with.

also don't play UDG. Watch a Let's Play if you really want to experience it, but don't play it.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Ok I'll give you that, that's one HELL of an original plot twist.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

We Truman's Show now.

Seeing these two posts back to back is pretty great tho

Also I'm surprised the writers had the balls to have suicide be a solution. And in Japan, to boot. Apology to suicide tends to generate backlash, and I kind of agree it's for good reasons.

The characters DID survive I guess, but then it's still attempted suicide.

Reg posted...

also don't play UDG. Watch a Let's Play if you really want to experience it, but don't play it.

Gameplay is that bad?

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Also I'm surprised the writers had the balls to have suicide be a solution

After they already did it with 1-4?
ZeldaTPLink posted...

Gameplay is that bad?

Absolutely

Also, I'm pretty sure the reason they brought back old VAs for this game is so they could keep costs down and still have the old VAs cameo when Tsumugi cosplays them. It probably costs a lot less to have them read off a couple lines of dialog on another character than to bring in new people and then have to bring back the old VAs for a couple cameo lines late in the game.

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I just bought UDG tho...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I just bought UDG tho...

Honestly, just give it a shot when youre ready. Its far from controlling great, but I never thought it was horrible.
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The devs that can't program a good action mini-game decided to make a full action game and it went about exactly as you'd expect.

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at least the PC version can't be as bad as it was on Vita

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Oh yeah, do you have a final guess for Keebo and Himiko's VAs?

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I believe there's a board game of sort that unlocks after beating the game? You may want to give that a look.

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The post-game stuff in DRv3 is VERY good. Salmon mode makes it really easy to unlock FTA's, but I had the most fun with the board game. It's super grindy, which is right up my alley. Plus, the premise behind it is that you choose a character from one of the three games and play a board game that takes up the three years they spend at Hope's Peak Academy, growing stats for that character that you can use in a separate dungeon crawler RPG. It also takes place during a time where all three games' casts are attending HPA at the same time and devises scenarios that would take place if, say, Nagito were to meet Kokichi, or Makoto were to meet Hajime.

You build up characters to create a party to take into dungeons to fight for two different kinds of currency. Then when you get stuck, you spend your money on equipment and your other currency on a gacha machine that gets you different levels of each character, which you take onto the board game to determine their stats, which you then make a more powerful party with, to take into the dungeons, etc, etc.

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Oh, and before we forget, we're definitely gonna need final character rankings! It's customary on board 8!

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You know, I never really suspected Tsumugi as the mastermind, mostly because I didn't feel like inactivity in the plot was much of a red flag, seeing as though Yasuhiro and Kazuichi didn't really contribute all that much to the surviving cast.

That being said, I knew god damn well Kaede's guilt was in question from the moment chapter 1 ended, because they never addressed that Kaede's murder plot only "worked" because of that Monokuma BGM, and it was never addressed in the first trial. It was too damn convenient.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

Oh, and before we forget, we're definitely gonna need final character rankings! It's customary on board 8!

The ones from this game are coming later . I'm thinking of reading the free time dialogues first. And might play the mini games the guy above mentioned.

The ones from the whole series may take a while longer since I wanna give Toko a final chance of not being the worst character in the whole series and she just happens to be a playable character in a game I haven't played.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

You know, I never really suspected Tsumugi as the mastermind, mostly because I didn't feel like inactivity in the plot was much of a red flag, seeing as though Yasuhiro and Kazuichi didn't really contribute all that much to the surviving cast.

I pretty much just assumed it would somehow be Junko again, or some outside party at the very least. In DR1, the mastermind was someone who died in one of the opening scenes (more specifically, someone who was never actually in your group). In DR2, it was the same person again, a person/AI who was never actually in your group.

So I was expecting something like that again.
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BTW, before you ask, Rantaro's real talent (in the game before 53) was Ultimate Adventurer
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Hbthebattle posted...

BTW, before you ask, Rantaro's real talent (in the game before 53) was Ultimate Adventurer

Where did you learn that

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Where did you learn that

It's revealed at the end of his Salmon mode, but in the board game thing it's assumed that the player knows
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My ranking, not including UDG, and only including the first incarnation of each character:

67. Nagito Komaeda (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 7th Place, 16/16)
66. Ruruka Ando (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
65. Ryota Mitarai (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
64. Tsumugi Shirogane (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 5th Place, 16/16)
63. Monophanie (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony)
62. Hiyoko Saionji (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 12th Place, 15/16)
61. Monotaro (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony)
60. Kyosuke Munakata (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
59. Hifumi Yamada (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 10th Place, 16/16)
58. Kazuichi Soda (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 5th Place*, 14/16)
57. Akane Owari (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 3rd Place*, 13/16)
56. Monokid (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony)
55. Monosuke (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony)
54. Kazuo Tengan (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
53. Sohnosuke Izayoi (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
52. Rantaro Amami (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 16th Place, 15/16)
51. Leon Kuwata (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 14th Place, 15/16)
50. Daisaku Bandai (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
49. Korekiyo Shinguji (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 10th Place, 14/16)
48. Yasuhiro Hagakure (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 6th Place* 14/16)
47. Mahiru Koizumi (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 14th Place (12/16)
46. Kirumi Tojo (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 13th Place, 13/16)
45. Himiko Yumeno (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 3rd Place* (12/16)
44. Monodam (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony)
43. Kiyotaka Ishimaru (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 11th Place, 13/16)
42. Mukuro Ikusaba (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 15th Place, 12/16)
41. Monomi (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair)
40. Makoto Naegi (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 1st Place*, 11/16)
39. Great Gozu (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
38. Miaya Gekkogahara (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
37. Kohichi Kizakura (Danganronpa 3: Future Chapter)
36. Nekomaru Nidai (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 9th Place, 11/16)
35. Ryoma Hoshi (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 14th Place, 11/16)
34. Junko Enoshima (Danfanronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 7th Place (10/16)
33. Mondo Owada (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 12th Place, 9/16)
32. Teruteru Hanamura (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 15th Place, 10/16)
31. Hajime Hinata (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 1st Place*, 9/16)
30. Monokuma (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc
29. Mikan Tsumiki (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 10th Place, 8/16)
28. Toko Fukawa (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 4th Place*, 8/16)
27. K1-B0 (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 4th Place, 10/16)
26. Byakuya Togami (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 3rd Place*, 7/16)
25. Ultimate Imposter (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 16th Place, 7/16)
24. Kokichi Oma (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 7th Place, 9/16)
23. Chihiro Fujisaki (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 13th Place, 6/16)
22. Juzo Sakakura (Danganronpa 3: Future Class)
21. Ibuki Mioda (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 11th Place, 6/16)
20. Gonta Gokuhara (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 8th Place, 8/16)
19. Chiaki Nanami (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 6th Place, 5/16)
18. Peko Pekoyama (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 13th Place, 4/16)
17. Kaede Akamatsu (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 15th Place, 7/16)
16. Chisa Yukizome (Danganronpa 3: Future Class)
15. Seiko Kimura (Danganronpa 3: Future Class)
14. Gundham Tanaka (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 8th Place, 3/16)
13. Sayaka Maizono (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 16th Place, 5/16)
12. Tenko Chabashira (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 11th Place, 6/16)
11. Kyoko Kirigiri (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 2nd Place*, 4/16)
10. Celestia Ludenberg (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 9th Place), 3/16)
9. Shuichi Saihara (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 1st Place*, 5/16)
8. Sonia Nevermind (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 4th Place*, 2/16)
7. Angie Yonaga (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 12th Place, 4/16)
6. Maki Harukawa (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 2nd Place*, 3/16)
5. Sakura Ogami (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 8th Place, 2/16)
4. Miu Iruma (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 9th Place, 2/16)
3. Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu (Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair - 2nd Place*, 1/16)
2. Kaito Momota (Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony - 6th Place, 1/16)
1. Aoi Asahina (Danganronpa 1: Trigger Happy Havoc - 5th Place*, 1/16)

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Invisopinions
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That Angie placement tho

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67. Nagito Komaeda

I lol'd

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swirIdude posted...

I lol'd

Hey, DR2 is my least favorite of the trilogy, in large part because Nagito is such a stifling, overbearing Gary Stu. And honestly, he gets even worse when you factor in the anime and how much the writers fucking love their weird little luck boy.

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Angie is literally a full sixty spots too low on that list lmfao

Oh! Speaking of Angie!

Check out those hotel scenes in 3, TC.

Some of them are.... very interesting.

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Angie is amazing. She's hilarious, and her aloof attitude combines perfectly with her cult leader persona. Really, the student council subplot was CRIMINALLY underutilized.

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This ranking is much harder to make than the previous ones. Before, there were well defined top, high, middle and low tiers.

Here the low tier is basically Tenko, the top tier has 2 people and then we have 13 good characters to rank. And don't even get me started on the Monokubs.

Monokubs are Monodam > who gives a fuck about the rest
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kevwaffles posted...

Monokubs are Monodam > who gives a fuck about the rest

Correct!

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I like Monosuke, even though he didn't do anything

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Also there is the paradox of ranking Monokuma when he's finally an individual character yet this is the worst version of him so far.

I thought it was Monodam > who cares > Monokid

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I think Im the only one who likes Monokid
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Inviso still has Tsumugi over Nagito and a couple DR3 characters so I can live with it.

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The game strangely never points this out, but the threat in 3-1 to kill all of the non-willing participants actually means none of them are in danger. It would tip their hands, though.
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The Monokubs, every single of one them at all points of the game, were just noise to me. I do respect their presence after the big reveal when you realize they are mascots designed by soulless focus groups to sell merchandise and be marketable.

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