Board 8 > ~*Ultimaterializer's Post-Contest Analysis!! Part 2*~

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Nanis23
12/21/18 9:29:38 AM
#151:


No air control is terrible
I could excuse it for the NES games like Ulti said but anything later than it..nope
This killed La Mulana for me also
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ZeroSignal620
12/21/18 9:47:26 AM
#152:


Tag

Ready to read Ammy/Draven. I originally had Draven making round 3, but quickly realized he was about to pay for 2013
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Logience
12/21/18 11:02:50 AM
#153:


Nanis23 posted...
No air control is terrible
I could excuse it for the NES games like Ulti said but anything later than it..nope
This killed La Mulana for me also

Oh, THATS the term I was looking for. Thanks.
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Nanis23
12/21/18 11:13:50 AM
#154:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
Tag

Ready to read Ammy/Draven. I originally had Draven making round 3, but quickly realized he was about to pay for 2013

Draven is the kind of rally that if he got it in the first round he would win the whole contest again
So it's either losing in R1 or winning the contest, losing in round 3 makes no sense
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Logience
12/21/18 11:17:29 AM
#155:


Nanis23 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Tag

Ready to read Ammy/Draven. I originally had Draven making round 3, but quickly realized he was about to pay for 2013

Draven is the kind of rally that if he got it in the first round he would win the whole contest again
So it's either losing in R1 or winning the contest, losing in round 3 makes no sense

It does if you assume the board to be civil and reasonable, something I realized wasnt true once I saw how much people were relishing Draven being put into CATS percentages, as well as framing Mario VS Cloud as righteous retribution for 16 years of unfairness.
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hombad46
12/21/18 11:19:19 AM
#156:


Logience posted...
Nanis23 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Tag

Ready to read Ammy/Draven. I originally had Draven making round 3, but quickly realized he was about to pay for 2013

Draven is the kind of rally that if he got it in the first round he would win the whole contest again
So it's either losing in R1 or winning the contest, losing in round 3 makes no sense

It does if you assume the board to be civil and reasonable, something I realized wasnt true once I saw how much people were relishing Draven being put into CATS percentages.

Why wouldn't we? It was hilarious
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Safer_777
12/21/18 11:21:54 AM
#157:


Missigno lost to Round 3.
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Logience
12/21/18 11:32:56 AM
#158:


Safer_777 posted...
Missigno lost to Round 3.

Because it went up against a character that Board 8 couldnt afford to let lose, especially after Crono ended up falling to it.
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Nanis23
12/21/18 11:36:36 AM
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Safer_777 posted...
Missigno lost to Round 3.

Missingno and other joke characters are not the same kind of rally that Draven would get
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AxemRedRanger
12/21/18 12:09:10 PM
#160:


Logience posted...
Nanis23 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Tag

Ready to read Ammy/Draven. I originally had Draven making round 3, but quickly realized he was about to pay for 2013

Draven is the kind of rally that if he got it in the first round he would win the whole contest again
So it's either losing in R1 or winning the contest, losing in round 3 makes no sense

It does if you assume the board to be civil and reasonable, something I realized wasnt true once I saw how much people were relishing Draven being put into CATS percentages, as well as framing Mario VS Cloud as righteous retribution for 16 years of unfairness.
Draven went down after the freeze and did worse among guests than registered users. He probably got more votes from trolls and chaos fans who remembered his run and wanted him to do it again than from people antivoting him, because he wasn't going to get many of their votes in the first place.
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TheCodeisBosco
12/21/18 12:21:51 PM
#161:


Regarding Dr. Wily: I used Wii Fit Trainer and spammed Sun Salutation against the Mega Men. I also attempted to use "full suns" and Deep Breathing as much as possible in order to heal throughout the match. Took a few tries, but I eventually succeeded.
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TsunamiXXVIII
12/21/18 12:36:05 PM
#162:


trdl23 posted...
Logience posted...
Except isnt Golden Sun just, well...shit?

Nope. The Lost Age is still among my favorite RPGs.


Same. It's by no means perfect, but much like Pokmon RBY, its imperfections are charming. (By which I mean the fact that its RNG is mad exploitable, allowing for there to be tutorials on guaranteeing yourself rare drops. Man that's fun.)

The only real complaint I have about the first two games is that they are two games and not one. It's exactly the type of money-grubbing that Ulti always rails against.

The third game was a disappointment, because it has a stupidly hard difficulty spike, a stupidly easy way to overlevel for the bonus bosses right in front of the final boss's fight, and points of no return, which the first two games pointedly lacked.

To illustrate the importance of being able to backtrack to any point in the game, I actually found myself unable to reach the Dullahan fight on my first Lost Age save file, despite having Broken Seal transfer data. Do you know why that was? It was because I originally got stumped by the invisible floor puzzle at the end of Fuchin Temple, and instead used trial-and-error to stumble through Mogall Forest. And the Orb of Force is entirely optional in Broken Seal, or even to getting all 28 Djinn in that game, but failure to transfer it over to Lost Age will screw you out of at least one Djinni. I made sure to take my Broken Seal save file and backtrack to get the Orb of Force rather than starting a brand new game.

(Yes, I used the Japanese subtitle because the first game lacked one in America.)
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Logience
12/21/18 12:52:24 PM
#163:


TsunamiXXVIII posted...
trdl23 posted...
Logience posted...
Except isnt Golden Sun just, well...shit?

Nope. The Lost Age is still among my favorite RPGs.


Same. It's by no means perfect, but much like Pokmon RBY, its imperfections are charming. (By which I mean the fact that its RNG is mad exploitable, allowing for there to be tutorials on guaranteeing yourself rare drops. Man that's fun.)

You ever seen Quovaks Golden Sun LP?
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WarThaNemesis2
12/21/18 1:04:10 PM
#164:


I have no real opinion on Golden Sun (I think it's 'fine'), but going "BUT AN LP" in response to someone saying why they like something is pretty much an automatic loss.
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TsunamiXXVIII
12/21/18 1:09:18 PM
#165:


Logience posted...
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
trdl23 posted...
Logience posted...
Except isnt Golden Sun just, well...shit?

Nope. The Lost Age is still among my favorite RPGs.


Same. It's by no means perfect, but much like Pokmon RBY, its imperfections are charming. (By which I mean the fact that its RNG is mad exploitable, allowing for there to be tutorials on guaranteeing yourself rare drops. Man that's fun.)

You ever seen Quovaks Golden Sun LP?


Nope. I'll have to check it out. I know that the first game is very easy to sequence break; I managed a couple entirely accidentally on my first playthrough. (Imil before Kolima, skipping the Orb of Force entirely).

Actually so is the second, to the point that I'm still not sure if there is any agreement on what the intended route through Osenia is. I'll summarize the cases for each side.

Clockwise:
Madra, the last town you encounter on Indra, contains hints toward Alhafra, the first town you reach when going clockwise.
The only collectible in Mikasalla requires the Scoop Psyenergy, which is obtained in the Yampi Desert only along the path to Alhafra.
The route to Air's Rock and Garoh through Yampi Desert is one-way until you obtain the Sand Psyenergy, which isn't until much later, so you'd have to double back regardless rather than making a single loop if you started the other way.

Counterclockwise:
Other than that one Djinni, Mikasalla mostly just contains story hints towards Garoh, which in turn points you towards Air's Rock. Going clockwise, you'd encounter Garoh before the former and after the latter.
The level curve seems to support doing Air's Rock before Yampi Desert and Alhafra.

My conclusion: Neither is the "right" route. It was designed for either route to be viable; the game points you towards one route but rewards you for exploring and finding the other.
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TsunamiXXVIII
12/21/18 1:10:41 PM
#166:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
I have no real opinion on Golden Sun (I think it's 'fine'), but going "BUT AN LP" in response to someone saying why they like something is pretty much an automatic loss.


I didn't see it that way. I had already identified myself as a fan, so I saw the recommendation as a question, not a defense.
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WarThaNemesis2
12/21/18 1:13:57 PM
#167:


Nah, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and Pokemon were like the holy trinity of hate by Something Awful.
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TsunamiXXVIII
12/21/18 1:18:00 PM
#168:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Nah, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and Pokemon were like the holy trinity of hate by Something Awful.


Hate? I've seen LPs of Pokmon; I thought they were funny, and the only time I sensed any "hate" was when they were doing bad romhacks (Pokmon Quartz, anyone?)
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Logience
12/21/18 1:20:25 PM
#169:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Nah, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and Pokemon were like the holy trinity of hate by Something Awful.

Only because of how goddamn hard it was for people to LP them. PW was a visual novel with adventure game elements, and Pokemon was fucking Pokemon. Golden Sun, meanwhile, is just so goddamn bland and long that the only other person to try just gave up partway through:

Quovak posted...
Masochism, surely, was the inspiration for Syrg's kind-of-recent attempt to stop people from trying to LP this game, but, as I am currently demonstrating, he failed, and I'm here to try accomplishing his dream instead. While the game is far from the worst ever made, only having given me a few forms of cancer, its hallowed position in our minds as a result of being "cursed" and perpetually unfinished (I'm among the many who consider Syrg's attempt not really an LP) is far more than GS deserves. But what's to stop me from failing in this goal as well, you ask? Why, just like last time, my own masochism, idiocy, and poor planning of LPs. What else?

https://lparchive.org/Golden-Sun/
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Nanis23
12/21/18 1:20:52 PM
#170:


I will admit Golden Sun and The Lost Age are one of the very first RPGs I have ever played (Pokemon aside)
I know there is a common saying (at least in /v/) "baby's first RPG" and it usually applies to Golden Sun, and I know some people might think it's nostalgia, but I disagree. I don't think my love for the Golden Sun series is because of nostalgia or because it's one of my first RPGs

The thing is, Golden Sun has something that other RPGs I have played lacked, and it alone sets a standard that other games I played after it failed to meet - puzzles in dungeons
When I played Final Fantasy I on the GBA, thinking about how it was "the most popular RPG series ever" I was so disappointed by how boring the dungeons are, but it's the first game, maybe it gets better, right?
Well, it NEVER got better, the Final Fantasy games barely have dungeons with puzzles, but those games make up to it in other ways, so I like them a lot too

But Golden Sun puzzles are fantastic. The dungeons are not just "go from point A to point B". They have unique designs and every dungeon has it's own unique puzzles with different psynergy use
You can complain about whatever you want regarding Golden Sun, about too much text, bad battle system, whatever, but if you say something bad about the dungeons I think I need to question your gaming opinions
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Arti
12/21/18 1:49:08 PM
#171:


Have you played Lufia II, Nanis
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Nanis23
12/21/18 1:58:16 PM
#172:


No
But it if has puzzles in dungeons maybe I should
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Logience
12/21/18 2:12:13 PM
#173:


Found this little piece of irony in the Scorpion vs Max Payne 2002 writeup:

Ulti, circa 2005, wrote
One, Max Payne vs Dirk the Daring set (and still holds) the record for the lowest-scoring match ever.

BTW, that match still had just over 50000 votes.
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12/21/18 2:41:53 PM
#174:


Logience posted...
Found this little piece of irony in the Scorpion vs Max Payne 2002 writeup:

Ulti, circa 2005, wrote
One, Max Payne vs Dirk the Daring set (and still holds) the record for the lowest-scoring match ever.

BTW, that match still had just over 50000 votes.

Ouch.
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Hbthebattle
12/21/18 4:53:07 PM
#175:


Logience posted...
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
trdl23 posted...
Logience posted...
Except isnt Golden Sun just, well...shit?

Nope. The Lost Age is still among my favorite RPGs.


Same. It's by no means perfect, but much like Pokmon RBY, its imperfections are charming. (By which I mean the fact that its RNG is mad exploitable, allowing for there to be tutorials on guaranteeing yourself rare drops. Man that's fun.)

You ever seen Quovaks Golden Sun LP?

Yes, i've seen someone nitpick as hard a humanly possible
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Not_Wylvane
12/21/18 5:12:57 PM
#176:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Nah, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and Pokemon were like the holy trinity of hate by Something Awful.

Golden Sun, yeah, but Phoenix Wright and Pokemon are pretty god damn loved on SA. As far as LP's go, Phoenix Wright was one that initially seemed unLPable (and trust me, there's a lot of effort between formatting the script, making the GIFs and organizing screenshots to making all that work), though a LP has finally been completed a year or two ago. And the Pokemon LP ban was initially because it invited a lot of low-effort fodder LPs, but it's been gone for a couple years now and Pokemon LPs are as popular as ever, especially the fan games like Reborn.

Also Quovak's probably my all-time favorite LPer, I really enjoyed his deconstruction on Golden Sun's flaws and Chrono Trigger's strengths.
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LusterSoldier
12/21/18 7:01:08 PM
#177:


Ulti_PCA posted...
I would bet good money I'm one of the few people who mainly likes Lucina for how insanely cool she was in Fire Emblem Awakening instead of her Smash appearances, but who knows. She's okay in Smash, but she is a damn legend in Awakening. Top 5 series character for sure. Unfortunately she was against Auron, who does the brooding swordsman turned softy routine much better than she ever could and comes from a far more popular game.


It does seem like Lucina gets more of her strength from Fire Emblem than from Smash right now based on the registered/anonymous user results. Auron got 65.37% with registered users and 65.57% with anonymous users. Nintendo is generally quite strong with registered users and Final Fantasy does better with anonymous users, but Lucina struggled just to do better with registered users here.

Based on this, it seems like Fire Emblem is very low on the Nintendo hierarchy on this site. If Lucina got a lot more strength from Smash, I think we would have seen a bigger split between registered and anonymous users.
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Logience
12/21/18 8:05:07 PM
#178:


LusterSoldier posted...
Ulti_PCA posted...
I would bet good money I'm one of the few people who mainly likes Lucina for how insanely cool she was in Fire Emblem Awakening instead of her Smash appearances, but who knows. She's okay in Smash, but she is a damn legend in Awakening. Top 5 series character for sure. Unfortunately she was against Auron, who does the brooding swordsman turned softy routine much better than she ever could and comes from a far more popular game.


It does seem like Lucina gets more of her strength from Fire Emblem than from Smash right now based on the registered/anonymous user results. Auron got 65.37% with registered users and 65.57% with anonymous users. Nintendo is generally quite strong with registered users and Final Fantasy does better with anonymous users, but Lucina struggled just to do better with registered users here.

Based on this, it seems like Fire Emblem is very low on the Nintendo hierarchy on this site. If Lucina got a lot more strength from Smash, I think we would have seen a bigger split between registered and anonymous users.

It seems? FE has always been low on the totem pole of recognition, even in spite of FE13s marketing drive. Heck, its probably garnered a strong anti-vote base thanks to how negatively the high ratio of representation theyve gotten in Smash has been recieved, to the point that the franchise, along with Cloud, Shulk, and probably even the recent Joker, have been shortlisted by the internet as forgettable anime pretty boys stealing rightfully earned slots from Geno, Waluigi and the Grinch.
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AxemRedRanger
12/21/18 9:01:59 PM
#179:


Lufia II does indeed have puzzle dungeons, which I'd agree were Golden Sun's biggest strength. Worth checking out if you liked those in Golden Sun.
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JonThePenguin
12/21/18 9:15:07 PM
#181:


UltimaterializerX posted...
WTF is this Grinch Smash stuff I keep hearing.

There was a leak that a number of people took to be legit because it appeared to be connected to a company doing marketing for the new Grinch movie.

It was fake as hell, of course.
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tgs2
12/21/18 9:19:39 PM
#182:


There was a supposed final mural leaked out by some studio in France indicating Isaac, Geno, Chorus Kids, Ken, Banjo, Shadow, and Mach Rider made it in. Next to the mural was promotional material for the Grinch movie.

People lost their shit everywhere since in the beginning, it was denial proof. It was an interesting counterpoint to the Kencineroar+Box Theory combo that everyone kept beating into everyone's heads months beforehand. A lot of insiders were harassed especially when they couldn't debunk it, only giving vague "trust us guys" answers.

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_Dog_
12/21/18 9:26:36 PM
#183:


JonThePenguin posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
WTF is this Grinch Smash stuff I keep hearing.

There was a leak that a number of people took to be legit because it appeared to be connected to a company doing marketing for the new Grinch movie.

It was fake as hell, of course.

That's easy to say in hindsight.
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snake_5036
12/21/18 9:32:04 PM
#184:


_Dog_ posted...
That's easy to say in hindsight.

It's actually extremely easy to say every leak is "fake" when you first read up on them. Because 99.99% of them are completely and totally wrong and thinking everything is fake is better than hyping yourself up only to be disappointed that nothing was true for the 10th time that week.

Something that the Smash boards, and the internet in general, still have yet to learn. <_<
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_Dog_
12/21/18 9:37:42 PM
#185:


snake_5036 posted...
_Dog_ posted...
That's easy to say in hindsight.

It's actually extremely easy to say every leak is "fake" when you first read up on them. Because 99.99% of them are completely and totally wrong and thinking everything is fake is better than hyping yourself up only to be disappointed that nothing was true for the 10th time that week.

Something that the Smash boards, and the internet in general, still have yet to learn. <_<

So you're saying that you should call every leak fake until one of them gets proven true and thus proves you wrong? That's a 0% success rate there!

That's rather an absurd proposition, even if one can avoid potential disappointment.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/21/18 9:39:29 PM
#186:


_Dog_ posted...
snake_5036 posted...
_Dog_ posted...
That's easy to say in hindsight.

It's actually extremely easy to say every leak is "fake" when you first read up on them. Because 99.99% of them are completely and totally wrong and thinking everything is fake is better than hyping yourself up only to be disappointed that nothing was true for the 10th time that week.

Something that the Smash boards, and the internet in general, still have yet to learn. <_<

So you're saying that you should call every leak fake until one of them gets proven true and thus proves you wrong? That's a 0% success rate there!

That's rather an absurd proposition, even if one can avoid potential disappointment.


Yes, cuz otherwise you look stupid for believing every rumor/news out there AND you get your hopes up unnecessarily which leads to the obnoxious fanbase who complains the rumors that sound like miracles end up not being true and complaining to Sakurai and sending death threats
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_Dog_
12/21/18 9:43:18 PM
#187:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
_Dog_ posted...
snake_5036 posted...
_Dog_ posted...
That's easy to say in hindsight.

It's actually extremely easy to say every leak is "fake" when you first read up on them. Because 99.99% of them are completely and totally wrong and thinking everything is fake is better than hyping yourself up only to be disappointed that nothing was true for the 10th time that week.

Something that the Smash boards, and the internet in general, still have yet to learn. <_<

So you're saying that you should call every leak fake until one of them gets proven true and thus proves you wrong? That's a 0% success rate there!

That's rather an absurd proposition, even if one can avoid potential disappointment.


Yes, cuz otherwise you look stupid for believing every rumor/news out there AND you get your hopes up unnecessarily which leads to the obnoxious fanbase who complains the rumors that sound like miracles end up not being true and complaining to Sakurai and sending death threats


"Yes, cuz otherwise you look stupid for disbelieving every rumor/news out there AND you get needlessly pessimistic which leads to the obnoxious fanbase who complains the rumors that sound like nightmares end up not being false and complaining to Sakurai and sending death threats"

It goes the other way too, sir. And I have seen people actually like that in the internet. The Smash fanbase just can't win here.
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snake_5036
12/21/18 9:50:18 PM
#188:


So you're saying that you should call every leak fake until one of them gets proven true and thus proves you wrong?

Yep, sounds good to me. Been doing it since Brawl and I've never had any issues. The leaks that end up being true are the ones I never see until after the Direct/game releases anyway. Then people have a whole imgur album of a 4chan thread and spread it around on twitter and other places. >_>
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Nanis23
12/22/18 4:02:53 AM
#189:


_Dog_ posted...
JonThePenguin posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
WTF is this Grinch Smash stuff I keep hearing.

There was a leak that a number of people took to be legit because it appeared to be connected to a company doing marketing for the new Grinch movie.

It was fake as hell, of course.

That's easy to say in hindsight.

Not really, some people were calling FAKE even before it was announced as so. It was me, Red (which was very VOCAL about it) and some people I don't remember
The thing is, there were also some contradicting "leaks", the Incineroar leak from ages ago also got Isabelle right so I believed it, and since the Grinch leak contradicted it, I called it fake
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_Dog_
12/22/18 4:58:48 AM
#190:


Nanis23 posted...
_Dog_ posted...
JonThePenguin posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
WTF is this Grinch Smash stuff I keep hearing.

There was a leak that a number of people took to be legit because it appeared to be connected to a company doing marketing for the new Grinch movie.

It was fake as hell, of course.

That's easy to say in hindsight.

Not really, some people were calling FAKE even before it was announced as so. It was me, Red (which was very VOCAL about it) and some people I don't remember
The thing is, there were also some contradicting "leaks", the Incineroar leak from ages ago also got Isabelle right so I believed it, and since the Grinch leak contradicted it, I called it fake

Every leak, even real ones, has had pundits who've called it fake. Take a look at the Mario + Rabbids rumor as a big example of that, yet no one could disprove them until the game was announced. Dumb luck is a thing, after all. You and Red were dogmatic in this particular situation. Again, very easy to say in hindsight.
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Not_Wylvane
12/22/18 6:11:41 AM
#191:


The moral is to never hope for anything, because the only thing to look forward to in life is death.

I for one am very fucking excited to die.
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LusterSoldier
12/22/18 7:00:18 AM
#192:


_Dog_ posted...
Nathan Drake went from essentially a joke character to beating Pac-Man over a number of years. He did go up in strength and I assume people thought he kept it. Turns out he didn't.

Tails' win over Drake and Chief shows an overall rejection of modern Sony and Microsoft in this site. GameFAQs really does stick to it's old games.


I don't think modern Sony is in the same position that modern Microsoft is in. Sony consoles are quite popular on this site and there have been polls where Sony or PS4 has managed to outright win over Nintendo or the Switch, such as the following:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7430-
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7118-
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7110-
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7037-

I bet if you had a generic poll where you were asked "Right now, who is your favorite company out of the three major console manufacturers?", the results of that poll would probably be along the lines of Nintendo 52%, Sony 38%, Microsoft 10%. Sony is definitely no slouch on this site.
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spooky96
12/22/18 12:10:14 PM
#193:


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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 4:22:58 PM
#194:


I work 14 hours on Thursdays and Fridays, hence the delay. Didn't want to half-ass any writeups that are actually meant to be interesting!

Getting back to it.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 6:17:51 PM
#195:


Division 5 Round 1: (5)Amaterasu vs (12)Draven

(5)Amaterasu - 25584 [88.15%]
(12)Draven - 3439 [11.85%]
Total Votes - 29023
Prediction Percentage - 72.39%

For the sake of this writeup, I'm only historically looking at 1v1 results. If someone else wants to look up 4ways or 3ways, have fun.

In our very first contest, the Summer 2002 Contest, Ms. Pac-Man only scored 5257 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/968-west-division-round-1-mega-man-vs-ms-pac-man

In the Summer 2003 Contest, something called AiAi scored 8802 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1305-north-division-round-1-link-vs-aiai

In the Spring 2004 Contest, our first games contest, Adventure only scored 4686 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1606-division-8-round-1-the-legend-of-zelda-vs-adventure

In the Summer 2004 Contest, Tanner only scored 4492 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1733-20xx-division-round-1-solid-snake-vs-tanner

In the villains contest, Giygas only scored 11966 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2001-triforce-division-round-1-ganondorf-vs-giygas

In the Summer 2005 Contest, Yuri Hyuga only scored 10813 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2070-zebes-division-round-1-samus-aran-vs-yuri-hyuga

In the series contest, Madden NFL only scored 9186 in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2433-mushroom-division-round-1-super-mario-bros-vs-madden-nfl

In the Summer 2006 Contest, Carmen Sandiego only scored 16578 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2507-triforce-division-round-1-zelda-vs-carmen-sandiego

In the Fall 2010 Contest, Falco only scored 10419 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3746-mushroom-division-round-1-mario-vs-falco-lombardi

In the Rivalry Rumble, Arthas and Illidan only scored 4598 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest, and good, because fuck Blizzard. They are indefensible trash: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4526-south-division-round-1-link-vs-ganondorf-arthas-vs-illidan

In the Fall 2015 Contest, Hearthstone only scored 3604 votes in a poll. It was the lowest of that contest, and good, because Hearthstone is by far the worst video game ever made: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6083-best-game-ever-day-9-zelda-ocarina-of-time-vs-hearthstone

That brings us to this match, but before we do, take a deep dive into those polls. The winners, in order: Mega Man, Link, a Zelda game, Solid Snake, Ganondorf, Samus, the Mario series, Zelda, Mario, Link + Ganon, and a Zelda game. Snake is the only odd one out, and his Tanner match was pretty blatant SFF on top of Snake himself bending the knee to Nintendo. Hold that thought.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 6:17:57 PM
#196:


Everyone knows the story of the 2013 contest by now. Draven escaped round one with a late rally, caught fire in round 2, and then it was a shitstorm. We don't need to revisit how embarrassing Board 8 and the League subreddit both acted, though anyone on Board 8 who acts like B8 wasn't just as bad as them is being intellectually dishonest. You all acted like garbage. Anyway Draven won the contest, which we all know by now.

People knew Draven would be weaker this time, but no one saw this insanity coming. Amaterasu scored something like the first 70 votes of the poll, and before long people realized Draven was about to pay, big time, for what he did in 2013. The crazy thing is Amaterasu never stopped going up and never lost percentage. There would be no rallies. There would be no miracles. Just Amaterasu of all characters scoring the biggest blowout of the contest. By pure votes one on one, Draven and his 3439 votes were the lowest we've ever seen in a 1v1 poll. Ever. Only the failure of Blizzard even comes close, but here's the thing. Amaterasu did this. Can you imagine if Draven was up against a universally loved character or game instead of a mediocre contest entrant like Amaterasu? How many votes does Draven get here against Zelda, Mega Man, Solid Snake, or Chrono Trigger? 1500? Maybe 2000?

It can't actually be overstated how nuts this blowout was, and it shouldn't be a footnote in contest history just because it happened during the dead era on our web site. I've alluded to this match several times in the PCA so far, but rallybait characters got destroyed in this contest and Draven himself ate the biggest blowout of them all. It's a fitting punishment for 2013, and I say this as someone who supports rallies. There was one more rallybait character to get rid of, but this match showed us we had nothing to worry about. D.Va wasn't going to pull off a damn thing this year. Not in this environment. It's also really hilarious to see Amaterasu up there with the likes of Nintendo elite in our record books. It shows just how badly people wanted Draven to get his ass whipped. Hell before this match, only Mega Man X had broken 80% in a poll. Amaterasu beat that by 8%. That's just nuts.

It leads to the obvious question: Can a rally ever happen again on our site? I think so, but this just wasn't the year for it. Simple as that.
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Nanis23
12/22/18 6:32:16 PM
#197:


To be honest, saying "lowest ever" when the entire contest is pretty much our all-time lowest ever vote totals (excluding BYIG) is not really worth much
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Whiskey_Nick
12/22/18 6:33:24 PM
#198:


you need to use MATH to create a uniform standard votal amount then use percentages and advance metrics that shit

#WigsMath
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 6:55:10 PM
#199:


Nanis23 posted...
To be honest, saying "lowest ever" when the entire contest is pretty much our all-time lowest ever vote totals (excluding BYIG) is not really worth much

Worth it when it makes Draven look terrible.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 7:01:25 PM
#200:


Division 8 Round 1: (4)Lara Croft vs (13)Metal Man

(4)Lara Croft - 19706 [67.89%]
(13)Metal Man - 9319 [32.11%]
Total Votes - 29025
Prediction Percentage - 89.46%

Hopefully HaRRicH and I can make up one day, because his topics and his rallies are always super fun. The cause celebre this year was for Metal Man, which was pretty hilarious because who knows if some random robot master from 1988 (christ I'm old, I remember when Mega Man 2 came out) would even be eligible.

Turns out he was! This match was never intended to actually be a match, it was just a nod from Allen to Board 8 for a job well done over the years. None of us had any delusions of Metal Man actually winning this match, and it's hard to really look at what Lara did here as anything impressive. Congrats, you got 68% on a mid boss that no one actually cares about, who is so awful that he's weak against his own weapon. I'm convinced 90% of the people who voted for Metal Man in this match did so because Mega Man in Smash Bros uses the metal blades as one of the B moves. The other 10% probably voted for him because of how hilariously absurd the metal blades actually are in Mega Man 2. You could do an ESPN 30 For 30 about just how much they utterly break the game.

I do know that no one actually gives a crap about Lara Croft anymore. She won this match by default. It's as simple as that. Her glory years were back in the 90s and with Square now publishing the Tomb Raider games, the brand is radioactive. One of the only things worse would be "Blizzard" or "Electronic Arts" on the box. We would see proof of this in round two soon enough.
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