Board 8 > Final Fantasy: Brave Exvius Topic 39 - As the Crowe Flies

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probably not worth chasing, no.
though he's a better version of enhanced Snow and enhanced WoL combined.
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I'm not sure there really is a unit "worth chasing" anymore. You should be able to cover all needs effectively with any free to play account that's got some time into it.

I want to know if someone has managed to beat all the Trials using Rain, Laswell, Fina, Lid, Sakura, Jake, and Nichol, cuz I bet that's probably even totally possible with some determination.
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https://twitter.com/FFBE_JP/status/921934372340613121

FFVIII finally coming to the game.
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

I'm not sure there really is a unit "worth chasing" anymore. You should be able to cover all needs effectively with any free to play account that's got some time into it.

I want to know if someone has managed to beat all the Trials using Rain, Laswell, Fina, Lid, Sakura, Jake, and Nichol, cuz I bet that's probably even totally possible with some determination.

Magic tanks don't grow on trees. You either pick Mistair or Silt, or pray for specific rainbows.

The story gang can't beat all trials as is for now even with heavy investment. Malboro is a castle of cock blocks with them in the epi center for that hentai scenario.

Aigaon require Iris' TMR(Innate 30% provoke), plus since none of them have re-raise to any effect we have the instant rape-effect going for them just going in since Lasswell is the only one with dps. And with Crowe clamped down you have a hard time getting a good mix of hp/spr....

IF it was the CG team however....
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Your waifu is getting a second wind, voltch...



Trust Ability for Lightning

+80% ATK
True Dual Wield
Damage up on Crushing Blow
Changes to Lightning 7

Passive when equipping her scarf
ST Nuke, Finisher type
ST Nuke + Self buff all stats
HP/Def/Spr +20%, Sword Mastery 20%, Gun Mastery 20%, MP+20%
More Info:

Super TM Max per unit is 50%
Cannot grind Super TM, have to fuse duplicates
You cannot use TMogs for Super TM
You cannot raise Super TM via Choco Expedition

SoulEaterTed posted...

unit level cap for 7* is 120
pot stats cap increassed
LB level max increased to 30
new abilities
materia slot +1
there will be a "Super Trust master" thing

FF8 banner in jp.

5~7 Rinoa
5~7 Squall
4~6 Zell
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Personally, my thoughts align with this guy on Reddit...

AhougullLila
Super Trust Master is a reallllllly bad idea from Alim. You can only get it from fusing 3 7-star characters into each other to get it which means you need 6 rainbows of the same character. You cannot raise trust levels in battle, nor use moogles, or chocobo exploration.

7-star requiring a dupe is already pretty rough for most people so unless they really do something to make rainbows much easier to get, they've left a really bad impression all the way around.

Edit: I forgot, you need a dupe for 7* from my understanding.
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i don't give a shit about the super trust master thing, the 7* requiring double rainbow is something else though
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lmfao requiring a dupe for 7*
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although the good news is that Lightning may once again be the best unit in the game!!!
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sounds like time to quit
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I bet youre sorry you sold that second seabreeze dark fina now
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no my other one is a regular dark fina! that was my only seabreeze

truly, they're just out to make me feel better about drawing 0 2b/a2s. would 1 even be worth it?!?!
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yeah this seems super shitty. ramza and Orlandeau are the only dupe 5*s I have at the moment, but is one 7* Orlandeau going to be better than two 6*?

probably not
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The Mana Sword posted...

although the good news is that Lightning may once again be the best unit in the game!!!

I HAVE TWO LIGHTNINGS WOOOOOOO
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My Two Aces.... heheheheheheheh

I would hope the will relent on these somewhat absurd requirements. I mean, when the game came out in JP the only way to build TM was with dupes right? Grinding and the moogles came later for them.
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Oh wait, you need 3 damnit.

I only have dupes of olive, 2b, lightning and i guess units like yshtola and kelso
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2 for a 7*. 6 5*s in total for the super tmr. Plus, it was hazy whether you needed to unlock the scarf first to get the super tmr to show up or not.

We will see next on the 31st to finally clear everything up.
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...well, at least the 7* stuff was as predicted - waiting for FF8.
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Fiyun posted...

Super TM Max per unit is 50%
Cannot grind Super TM, have to fuse duplicates
You cannot use TMogs for Super TM
You cannot raise Super TM via Choco Expedition

...How could this possibly be real? Unless they start giving out a shitload more rainbows.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Fiyun posted...

Super TM Max per unit is 50%
Cannot grind Super TM, have to fuse duplicates
You cannot use TMogs for Super TM
You cannot raise Super TM via Choco Expedition

...How could this possibly be real? Unless they start giving out a shitload more rainbows.

3% rainbow rates.

A choose your rainbow option, etc exists or are being implemented on top of step ups.
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I don't think it'll hold up, unless gacha laws in Japan have changed. Puzzle and Dragons tried something similar a few years ago, requiring monsters only available from gacha pulls for evolving monsters, and the gacha control laws came down hard on that idea. Something about not requiring the gacha for any unlockable content, and this definitely qualifies.
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if this sticks to current rates, we're now entering Granblue territory
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OlDirtyNumbers posted...

sounds like time to quit

Yeah, like I said before, when 7* is released, that's probably my stopping point.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...How could this possibly be real? Unless they start giving out a shitload more rainbows.

$ $ $ $
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I'll take a wait and see approach for now.
But things do not seem promising right now.
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JP players are apparently really upset about this, seeing as this might be breaking the gacha laws Japan has. So we'll see if things are taken back.
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I just wanna know if I can make X-Death 7* by fusing two of my super hard to obtain 6* X-Deaths

Like if it wasn't a rainbow exclusive buff that could actually be pretty cool.
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Well I'm sure many are getting flashbacks of games where you ended up in a 8 grand rabbit hole trying to get a special limited event unit.
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Lopen posted...

I just wanna know if I can make X-Death 7* by fusing two of my super hard to obtain 6* X-Deaths

Like if it wasn't a rainbow exclusive buff that could actually be pretty cool.

As it stands for now you have to wait for a new sprite just like helmless Kain.
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How good is Fohlen these days? I pulled him with my 5*EX ticket a few weeks back, but haven't done anything with him yet.
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Still have the issue of being sub-meta due to his imperil is separate.

However you can build him to bank on evasion, which is his forte.
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7* needing a dupe to even get that far?

Yeah, hard pass.
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I may have dropped more NRG pots than I should have (down to 50 left in reserve), but I got a crapton of units leveled with Cactuar Desert this weekend. And with Kingsglaive only needing a couple more runs to finish the moogle, and nothing I want from the Halloween event, I think a good week of TMR farming will be a nice break.
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why the hell does pumpking reaper have so much HP
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GANON1025 posted...

JP players are apparently really upset about this, seeing as this might be breaking the gacha laws Japan has. So we'll see if things are taken back.

I hope they are, really interested to see what happens with all of this. I friend of mine in the real world that plays is either going to quit (he's f2p, already has enough problems with the low rates) or resort to injecting if this system stays in place. I haven't really run into anyone who thinks the new system is a good idea.

Even if they change it in JP though, there are no gacha laws outside of Japan, are there? I could see them changing it to meet the laws in Japan, but screwing the rest of us over with the same system.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Even if they change it in JP though, there are no gacha laws outside of Japan, are there? I could see them changing it to meet the laws in Japan, but screwing the rest of us over with the same system.

Now this is where Granblue only having a JP server is a boon...

But yea, if we have another Monkeygate, people will notice. People with actual clout, I mean.
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FF should be a big enough brand that people will more than just voice concerns.
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Went back into the Pumpking Reaper fight with a proper setup and managed to kill him in 4 turns and complete all missions. Make sure you use light weapons if you can, as he's at least partially resistant to everything else.
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I've seen a lot of complaining about Pumpking Reaper, but I didn't think he was that bad either. DV and another DV/Orlandeau cut through him pretty fast.
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It's just unexpected for a holiday event like this that you'd have a boss that requires actual effort. Especially because the one from 2 days ago was easily OHKOd.
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Looking forward to trying this one out, just need to figure out how many keys I'm going to need.
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Horith posted...

Puzzle and Dragons tried something similar a few years ago, requiring monsters only available from gacha pulls for evolving monsters, and the gacha control laws came down hard on that idea. Something about not requiring the gacha for any unlockable content, and this definitely qualifies.

I'm still not absorbing how this is against a law.

Like, I'm not seeing how the 7* stuff is gacha dependent in a more egregious way than having poorer drop rates. Like, if you compare the difficulty in getting a 5* on the game's release to getting a 7*, it's not as far off as you'd think. What's the distinction here, specifically?
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The law specifically refers to needing to collect a bunch of things from the gacha in order to combine them and get something else. I'm not entirely sure if this FFBE example 100% falls under that specification though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_gacha
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I think the only way the proposed changes would fall under that law would be if you could put Super TMs on someone that isn't the character in question-- but if I'm reading right Super TMs get tied to the character right?
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Not sure, there's really not that much info about the 7* stuff out there yet.

Anyway, I think the argument for this falling under the complete gacha law is that you need to pull multiple units from the gacha (similar 5* bases) in order to combine them and unlock something (the 7* version) that can't be obtained any other way.

I'm not super familiar with what games triggered the initial smackdown of this stuff in Japan and how similar their cases were to this, though.
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I feel like a better way to implement 7*s would be you need to fuse any random base 5* you have into them to unlock 7*. And maybe fuse in X number of extra 5*s to get their Super TM once they've hit 7*. Coolest part about this is you could give base 3* and 4* the ability to reach 7* and put them closer to on par with the base 5*s if you maybe made them need 2 5*s to reach 7* instead of 1. It would be awesome. Also every rainbow you draw being something you're excited to get, since you can use it to power up the rainbows you actually like, would be a quality of life increase.

That would probably make people a lot less upset about it, and would still give incentive to draw draw draw because now you need a lot of base 5* fodder to fuse to maximize the potential on the units you wanna keep. Doubt that falls under that law either. Maybe they have the creative mind I do and will tweak it to that and everyone will be happy.
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The Puzzle and Dragons example I cited is actually exactly like what we're seeing here. When one of the evolution plans was put out there to reinvigorate some of the oldest gacha monsters, the original plan was that users would use a duplicate unit in order to fuse into that higher evolution. However, with no way to get a dupe other than the gacha, that ran afoul of the rather stringent laws Japan has on the matter. Maybe it was just fan blowback threatening to pull law enforcement in, but with P&D being the most successful gacha game on the market, I don't think they were willing to take the chance either way.

The just using any 5* base seems like it might skirt the law, but I'm still doubtful it actually would. You still need to pull something from the gacha in order to get that evolution, regardless of whether it's a dupe, and there's no way to guarantee that you'll even get a 5*, much less a duplicate. P&D solved it by making the requirements boss drops from the hardest dungeons, because the energy needed to run them is technically an infinite resource. In-game currency (magic stones, lapis) is not, and I think that's where these kinds of things really run afoul of the law. The developers aren't required to make in-game currency available, especially as freely as they do in Japan, whereas energy to run dungeons is free just with a bit of patience. So without that guarantee of in-game currency, locking content behind it that isn't base-level units is forbidden because eventually those resources will be depleted. Dupe or not, if Gumi/Alim decide to stop handing out lapis, that suddenly makes those evolutions impossible to obtain after a certain point, and locks them behind a paywall.

I'm sure the law his hellishly more complicated than that, but that's the best I can interpret what I've seen.
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Honestly if what I suggested breaks the law, plenty of gachas already break the law.

Like Final Fantasy Record Keeper needs you to merge 5*s of the same item to make a + version of the item, which is basically the same thing Exvius is doing but with a + version of a character instead of an item. Same thing with Fire Emblem Heroes, which actually is a + version of the character.

I think there's something we're missing in the explanation.
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I did a little research and it sounds like the P&D thing wasn't in direct violation of the complete gacha law, they just changed it because of fan pushback.

It seems like the complete gacha law requires multiple different things to be combined as opposed to just two like items. So like if they said hey you can fuse your Ramza, Delita and Orlandeau to get this FFT Megazord unit, that would probably fall under the trappings of the law.

In that case, this 7* stuff is likely fine (legally), but people should still push back on it because it's shitty.
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Yeah. That makes a lot more sense. Like I think the spirit behind the law in that case would be to avoid a situation where a guy who has his 5* Mastadon being compelled to draw Triceratops, Saber Tooth Tiger, Pterodactyl, and Tyrannosaurus on future banners as 5*. But being compelled to draw more on the same banner is a different thing entirely, not too different than just changing the pull rates.

I assume "any 5*" would probably be okay for that too since literally any 5* is a greater set than "just copies of the same 5*"

Probably avoids pushback too.
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Yeah, I think with the rate change I'd be okay with any 5* working. Anything to make numbers suffer for dusting his Seabreeze Dark Fina.
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