Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 124: Still Heather Heyer. Deal with it.

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Some real hot FOLLOW THE MONEY ideas on Posobiec's timeline

https://twitter.com/ellybama/status/897293879187304448

Damn you Soros!
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The current theory from the MASTERMINDS at the Donald is the guy who organized the UTR rally is a Soros plant.

Must be nice to be able to link every single problem in the world to a single guy like this!
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Suprak the Stud posted...

MenuWars posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

And unfortunately it won't really change anything.

People who see him for what he really is already did a long time ago. Where as his supporters will buy anything Trump says because Trump said it.

Thus the new status quo.

Idk his approval rating has slid pretty horrendously and weirdly almost immediately after he got elected, and I can't imagine this will do anything but drop it further.

If we see it linger around 25 percent or lower someone will drop an impeachment on his head.

But he's very good at just derailing and redirecting. Watch something happen with N.K this week that make people rally round him again or some shit.

The bad news is if anything is likely to happen it will be tomorrow (well today due to time zone differences). It is some independence holiday in North Korea, and they tend to fire off missiles places for maximum PATRIOTISM. Also South Korea and the US are holding some joint exercise which tends to make NK extra pouty and prone to doing dumb things.

The good news is Kim walked back his threats on Guam already (saying something along the lines of WELL WE WILL JUST WATCH YOU YANKEES INSTEAD YOURE LUCKY THIS TIME): https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-backs-off-guam-missile-attack-threat-1502751054

The bad news is it is still Trump so maybe he'll bomb them anyway for fun.

The worst news is there is still no end in sight to the China/India standoff, two countries with actual impressive nuclear stockpiles. It's actually getting worse as both counties are now amassing troops along the disputed territory.

The worst thing is if those two go to war, I can envision Trump using that as an excuse to attack N.K while China's busy... and then well. Bad times.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

The current theory from the MASTERMINDS at the Donald is the guy who organized the UTR rally is a Soros plant.

Must be nice to be able to link every single problem in the world to a single guy like this!

Can't they come up with a second bogeyman? Spread the love a little?
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So many conspiracy theories, so little time.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

The current theory from the MASTERMINDS at the Donald is the guy who organized the UTR rally is a Soros plant.

Must be nice to be able to link every single problem in the world to a single guy like this!

Counterpoint: Donald Trump
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Makes you wonder why there's any unemployment left in our country!
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We were talking earlier about how crazies use new ideas to sell anti-vaxx rhetoric...

https://twitter.com/olivianuzzi/status/897253369861025792
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I like how they're accusing him of sending Nazis to rally, like they don't care that they're Nazis and that the Nazis views aligned with their own, just that someone paid Nazis to go, not fake Nazis either. Just found some real Nazis and paid them to go.
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Jakyl25 posted...

We were talking earlier about how crazies use new ideas to sell anti-vaxx rhetoric...

https://twitter.com/olivianuzzi/status/897253369861025792

Fuck Alex Jones and....


Just fuck him.
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He needs to sell this drawing he made live on air about how a US/North Korea war would go down

It's modern art

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGxGBhfWsAAPk6n?format=jpg&name=large
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https://twitter.com/RelynSerano/status/897031795404935168

More modern art.

Also Nightmare fuel enjoy
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Just in case you thought Baked Alaska couldn't be any more of a laughingstock after this weekend...

https://twitter.com/cassyblue3/status/897121007244390400

Damn that sucks
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Illinois State Senate passes resolution calling for neo nazis to be classified as terror groups.

Once again, a reminder that local and state politics can change far faster than federal.

Legit question for any legal-minded people here ( @Kinglicious ) ( @red_sox_777 )

What is the difference, legally, between a terrorist organization, a gang, and something like the KKK? Obviously it is perfectly legal to be and even march in the KKK. I am fairly certain that membership of the Bloods isn't inherently illegal, but affiliation can give police more probable cause for investigation than usual (right?). And as far as I know, if you are legitimately in ISIS, you are straight up getting arrested regardless of whether you're actively committing a crime.

Anyone?

I think the statutes vary by state, but generally, a criminal gang is a group of people (formal or informal) that has, as a primary/core purpose, committing crimes, and has repeatedly committed crimes. 60 years ago, the KKK committed lots of crimes and would likely have qualified as a criminal gang under modern statutes. Generally, it is not illegal in itself to be affiliated with a criminal gang, but doing anything to support them can lead to charges with gang enhancements.

For terrorism, the term under federal law seems to encompass only actions that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a population or government, and are also illegal under other laws. The KKK of 60 years ago probably also qualifies.

ISIS is a foreign state that has expressly declared war on the United States. As such, any member should be treated as an enemy combatant. At least, that's what I think should be done. I'm not aware of any ISIS people captured in the US yet, although there's been a lot of cases in Europe.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Just in case you thought Baked Alaska couldn't be any more of a laughingstock after this weekend...

https://twitter.com/cassyblue3/status/897121007244390400

Damn that sucks

Follow up: he claims the doctor put him on anti-biotics for his pepper spray blindness

That sounds weird to me but I'm not a doctor
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transience posted...

hey guys remember russia

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/897229893339144193

http://www.jeffpearlman.com/george-papadopoulos/

Also rumored to have been in attendance at the Mayflower are Lynn Belvedere, Willie Tanner, and a figure known only as "The Meathead".
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Who's Baked Alaska?
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https://twitter.com/jonnyathan/status/896809411733319680
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I saw this tweet in response to another tweet Trump retweeted

https://twitter.com/littleone619/status/897121537182105601

it's concerning that anyone would believe this sort of blatantly fake thing
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MrGreenonion posted...

https://twitter.com/jonnyathan/status/896809411733319680

Oh shit! I know that guy!
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Let him know he's famous
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Speaking of famous friends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhYiJ4z_v_c

Trae Crowder on Charlottesville.
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I'm just gonna assume she won because she cried on the stand and was only asking for $1.

wow
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neonreaper posted...

I'm just gonna assume she won because she cried on the stand and was only asking for $1.

wow

Yeah, keep reading. That was in poor taste, I know. >_>
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I saw this tweet in response to another tweet Trump retweeted

https://twitter.com/littleone619/status/897121537182105601

it's concerning that anyone would believe this sort of blatantly fake thing

*reads responses to the response tweet*

response response - "But he didn't say it. It's fake."
new responder - "How do you know?"


oh come the fuck on now we have to prove people didn't say things that they didn't say?!
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Dark Young Link posted...

Who's Baked Alaska?

Alt-right provocateur

In need of more milk
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/15/after-charlottesville-trump-retweets-then-deletes-image-of-train-running-over-cnn-reporter/

what the fucking hell is wrong with your president holy god damn shit
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It's funny how Fox news tries to frame it as the trump train just running over the logo.
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I think our President needs therapy
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I think he needs a lot of things, including to gtfo.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/897478270442143744

LOL
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JOBS! will be his new campaign slogan
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I don't know, reminds me too much of JEB!
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Man, I would love to hear the discussions among Republicans in Congress today

Oh actually come to think of it they're on recess. I'd love to know what they're thinking, though.
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If this trajectory isn't reversed or something else becomes more distracting, Kasich should really announce his bid to take the nomination away from Trump by end of next year. This is the first time that I truly feel like a challenge could be successful (albeit still unlikely).
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Presidents have been primaried before - its just a matter that they happened in the convention era and knew prior to the convention they had no hope.

Well except Franklin Pierce he just lost the convention vote by a ton. So there you go.
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I don't foresee a Republican challenging Trump before the midterms. Even then it would take something like Mueller releasing a formal report that finds Trump directly and illegally colluded with Russia or the majority of polls showing his approval at or below 30%.
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The CBO has determined that not making the CSR payments will cost the government $200 billion over the next 10 years:

https://mobile.twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/897522471380942848
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

If this trajectory isn't reversed or something else becomes more distracting, Kasich should really announce his bid to take the nomination away from Trump by end of next year. This is the first time that I truly feel like a challenge could be successful (albeit still unlikely).

I still think it's incredibly unlikely, but if things keep up like this then the Republicans would be smart to start pushing someone like Kasich that has been anti-Trump this entire time without faltering. You're going to lose the rabid Trump base, but at a certain point he's going to push away so many moderates it is going to be worse.

It'd be chaos though so I'm still not really envisioning a scenario where they actually really push for a replacement.
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What's Trump down to with Republicans? 70-80 or so?

I could see it dropping to 50ish by the primaries, though he still may be able to get a plurality in that case with multiple challengers.
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I think the last poll I saw had him at 72%.
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Republicans are not dumb enough to get rid of Trump in the primaries. And even if they did, he would still run as an independent and in all likelihood come in 2nd place while the GOP person got 3rd. It would be like 1912 with Kasich or whoever winning 1 or 2 states.
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Trump is not gonna run again
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Corrik posted...

Trump is not gonna run again

lol
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Hmm that's kind of an interesting scenario actually. Kasich would LFF Trump obviously, but he would LFF the Democratic candidate substantially too. If Trump can dominate Kasich in the red states, he can probably hold onto their electoral votes. If he's getting 35% nationally, it's better if he drops to <10% in the deep blue states. Then it's hard to win the swing states with a leech obviously but Republican voters are pretty astute about falling in line so they may back Trump massively outside the blue states come election day.

If the national popular vote ended something like 45/35/20, Trump could win the election and beat Lincoln's record (39%) for Republican president with lowest popular vote percentage.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Corrik posted...

Trump is not gonna run again

lol

Nah I think Corrik is right.

He's going to amass campaign contributions and then try and find a way to keep it or use it to his benefit on something else.

It's pretty much his M.O.
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Is Kasich the best option for a challenge? Sure he was the last man standing, but he rarely looked like a viable candidate during the primaries. Honestly if it wasn’t for Christie exposing Robo-Rubio during the pre-New Hampshire debate I doubt Kasich would have finished second and despite finishing second he never gained traction. He finished fifth in both South Carolina and Nevada. Throw in a seventh place finish in Iowa and it was clear he should have dropped out before or just after Super Tuesday.

I do wonder if Robo-Rubio didn’t happen things may have been different or if his collapse would have happened anyway. Rubio kept bleeding support, but it never consolidated behind Kasich. If Kasich dropped out before Super Tuesday Rubio would have likely won Vermont and Virginia, creating a 5-3-3 result between Trump, Cruz and Rubio and it would have at least made Rubio appear to be a viable candidate.
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red sox 777 posted...

Hmm that's kind of an interesting scenario actually. Kasich would LFF Trump obviously, but he would LFF the Democratic candidate substantially too. If Trump can dominate Kasich in the red states, he can probably hold onto their electoral votes. If he's getting 35% nationally, it's better if he drops to <10% in the deep blue states. Then it's hard to win the swing states with a leech obviously but Republican voters are pretty astute about falling in line so they may back Trump massively outside the blue states come election day.

If the national popular vote ended something like 45/35/20, Trump could win the election and beat Lincoln's record (39%) for Republican president with lowest popular vote percentage.

This is insane. Democrat is guaranteed California and New York Illinois Washington Seattle. Now you are splitting Republican vote in battlegrounds Ohio PA Wisconsin Minnesota North Carolina Etc.

A democrat could likely win all but like 8 states in that scenario.
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Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Hmm that's kind of an interesting scenario actually. Kasich would LFF Trump obviously, but he would LFF the Democratic candidate substantially too. If Trump can dominate Kasich in the red states, he can probably hold onto their electoral votes. If he's getting 35% nationally, it's better if he drops to <10% in the deep blue states. Then it's hard to win the swing states with a leech obviously but Republican voters are pretty astute about falling in line so they may back Trump massively outside the blue states come election day.

If the national popular vote ended something like 45/35/20, Trump could win the election and beat Lincoln's record (39%) for Republican president with lowest popular vote percentage.

This is insane. Democrat is guaranteed California and New York Illinois Washington Seattle. Now you are splitting Republican vote in battlegrounds Ohio PA Wisconsin Minnesota North Carolina Etc.

A democrat could likely win all but like 8 states in that scenario.

That's more likely, yeah. But if Kasich is splitting those moderate voters, the ones the Democrats have tried so hard to win over in recent years, while Trump dominates the working class, it could happen.
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Kasich would have to really pivot to the left. Sure he's a moderate Republican, but that doesn't mean leaning Democrats are going to flock to him.

Unless someone like Sanders decides to run...
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