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Kinglicious
08/15/17 5:48:18 PM
#302:


lordloki12 posted...
Kinglicious posted...
lordloki12 posted...

You were arguing that the people run down with a car were not innocent because they didnt go through the proper channels and had no business being in the street.


Did you also miss the part where I explicitly said I was wrong there and that those people were totally innocent?


Then you shouldnt be trying to tell ChaosTony you never posted about permits because that was damn near the top of the list when you wanted to take blame off the killer and dump it on the victim.


Fair enough that I never posted about them, didn't think of that.
That still doesn't actually answer what he's talking about in his post. I explicitly gave a few examples of "bad stuff" - beating people with lead pipes, stabbings, taking down and burning the state flag, could even add attacking journalists and many more violent acts or cases of vandalism, if you want. None of these are "didn't get a permit" and I never cited that as "bad stuff." Mind you, these aren't exclusive to them either. Both sides did some terrible things, the Nazi side being worse. But you don't absolve the one that did less wrong either, you condemn both, just one side (the Nazis) more firmly than the other because they did a greater wrong.
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:49:02 PM
#303:


LapisLazuli posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste.


would you be grossed out by someone saying this about hitler in the thirties?

i don't want trump to be killed and i'm not saying he's hitler, but when he's still whining that "one side was protesting without a permit" when a white supremacist just killed someone i can kinda understand LTM's sentiment.


He's just...such an awful human being. When I see him, I see a man who would just LOVE if he could turn America into his own personal North Korea.

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.

He isn't accomplishing anything that I consider too worthwhile though.

You could argue that Trump's America is polarized and has led to the rise of audacity of the far right. And, you could argue that Obama led to the rise of Black America feeling enabled to riot and such.

It is a shame both ways. I am just disappointed by the failures of Trumps presidency so far in the infrastructure deal, repeal of obamacare, and tax reform (minus his eliminating head of household wtf).
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Kenri
08/15/17 5:49:06 PM
#304:


Jakyl25 posted...
Are you still, as low as things have gotten, still on the Trump > Pence wagon?

Not criticising, just surprised

It was more of a joke but... sort of? I can see arguments for either.

I support impeachment because it deals a blow to the alt-right, but I also think Pence is potentially a much, much worse president, if only because he might actually be able to accomplish parts of his agenda.
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LapisLazuli
08/15/17 5:49:27 PM
#305:


I want the worst "both" outlawed for at least a month or so.
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LapisLazuli
08/15/17 5:50:16 PM
#306:


Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:51:34 PM
#307:


LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.

You have to be really out there imo to feel that he isn't doing what he feels best. Your best just isn't what his best is.
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Inviso
08/15/17 5:51:43 PM
#308:


Jakyl25 posted...
Kenri posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
I think it's to the point now where if someone took Trump out I'd openly call them a hero.

Please think more carefully before calling for the inauguration of President Pence.


Are you still, as low as things have gotten, still on the Trump > Pence wagon?

Not criticising, just surprised


Honestly, given how low the modern Republican Party has sunk in the past decade, yes I'm still on the Trump > Pence wagon. Trump is an incompetent, racist asshole enabling violent, racist assholes...but let's not mince words here...Donald Trump is still emblematic of everything the Republican Party has stood for since President Obama got elected. With Pence in power, Republicans are still the same party, trying to accomplish the same things, likely enabling the same horrible people, but they'll have a MUCH easier time hiding just how vile they've become. With Trump, he damages the party every day he's in office, and he's such a desperate narcissist that he's incapable of hiding the shitshow that is the Republican Party platform.

tl;dr Republicans are the problem, Trump is just the lingering pain that finally gets us off our ass to see a doctor.
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SupremeZero
08/15/17 5:51:51 PM
#309:


Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Gross dude. I hate Trump but this is in terrible taste.


would you be grossed out by someone saying this about hitler in the thirties?

i don't want trump to be killed and i'm not saying he's hitler, but when he's still whining that "one side was protesting without a permit" when a white supremacist just killed someone i can kinda understand LTM's sentiment.


He's just...such an awful human being. When I see him, I see a man who would just LOVE if he could turn America into his own personal North Korea.

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.

He isn't accomplishing anything that I consider too worthwhile though.

You could argue that Trump's America is polarized and has led to the rise of audacity of the far right. And, you could argue that Obama led to the rise of Black America feeling enabled to riot and such.

It is a shame both ways. I am just disappointed by the failures of Trumps presidency so far in the infrastructure deal, repeal of obamacare, and tax reform (minus his eliminating head of household wtf).

... Black America felt enabled to Riot because of Obama?

Black America, that rioted a bunch of times in the 60s?
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pjbasis
08/15/17 5:52:02 PM
#310:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
What I find really debatable also is the calling into work places of these ralliers and work firing them.

I am really on the fence on whether I agree or not with it. I think I kind of agree with it in jobs with at will employment I suppose. It seems very slippery though.


I said it in one of these topics, but I'm cool with it because the whole point of these rallies is white pride. They are loud and proud about who they are and what they're fighting for.

So they should be proud enough that it's okay if their boss knows!


If you were the minority in a country that you thought was corrupt, you'd also probably want to stay kind of incognito. Like, if you're in Nazi Germany it's not that practical to be loud and proud about how much you hate Nazis.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 5:52:07 PM
#311:


Also Corrik, you may remember Dylann Roof

An avid reader of the same website that organized the Charlottesville rally
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SupremeZero
08/15/17 5:52:38 PM
#312:


Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.

You have to be really out there imo to feel that he isn't doing what he feels best. Your best just isn't what his best is.

Wait, you have to be really out there to feel that a businessman is doing what's best for him instead of the country?
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trdl23
08/15/17 5:52:39 PM
#313:


My main problem with calling people's work places about the march is this:

What if you fuck up?

What if you pin it on the wrong person? You're going to ruin someone's life if you play fast and loose, and I don't expect randoms on Twitter to have much fact-finding or impulse control.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 5:53:36 PM
#314:


Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.

You have to be really out there imo to feel that he isn't doing what he feels best. Your best just isn't what his best is.


Do you honestly think, if faced with a decision about something where one option was best for America in his mind, but the other option was best for him , he would choose America?
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Kinglicious
08/15/17 5:53:38 PM
#315:


Yeesh. Calling for an assasination, apart from incredibly immortal, also is stupid not just for the one doing it but for what they want. You kill the president in this environment, hope you're ready for 8 years of red and an expansion of the executive over the rest of the country. If you want to establish a right wing police state there is no quicker way to do that.
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:53:48 PM
#316:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also Corrik, you may remember Dylann Roof

An avid reader of the same website that organized the Charlottesville rally

I don't know all the details but if he was a lone wolf that acted on his own which I think he was (not positive) that is like arguing Christians are terrorists if someone reads the bible and blows up an abortion clinic after reading a bible.

(Not a great analogy but its good enough)
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lordloki12
08/15/17 5:54:13 PM
#317:


Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.

You have to be really out there imo to feel that he isn't doing what he feels best. Your best just isn't what his best is.

We know he is doing what he feels is best. The problem is he only cares about what is best for him.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 5:54:15 PM
#318:


trdl23 posted...
My main problem with calling people's work places about the march is this:

What if you fuck up?

What if you pin it on the wrong person? You're going to ruin someone's life if you play fast and loose, and I don't expect randoms on Twitter to have much fact-finding or impulse control.


Agreed. You need to be 1000% certain you've got the right guy
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KamikazePotato
08/15/17 5:54:43 PM
#319:


Felt like making this

k07lcLv

Body language speaks volumes
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 5:55:50 PM
#320:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Also Corrik, you may remember Dylann Roof

An avid reader of the same website that organized the Charlottesville rally

I don't know all the details but if he was a lone wolf that acted on his own which I think he was (not positive) that is like arguing Christians are terrorists if someone reads the bible and blows up an abortion clinic after reading a bible.

(Not a great analogy but its good enough)


The Bible doesn't advocate killing abortion doctors though.

The Daily Stormer literally advocates killing "inferior races."
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Kinglicious
08/15/17 5:55:54 PM
#321:


trdl23 posted...
What if you fuck up?


Too late, that's already happened.
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:56:33 PM
#322:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Corrik posted...

Think he genuinely loves America and is doing what he feels is the right thing to do.


Then I am depressed by your naivety.

You have to be really out there imo to feel that he isn't doing what he feels best. Your best just isn't what his best is.


Do you honestly think, if faced with a decision about something where one option was best for America in his mind, but the other option was best for him , he would choose America?

I could see the argument for his family over America instead of himself. But, yes, I believe in issues of National Security, Foreign Involvements, trade, economy, etc that Trump does what he thinks is best for America. You could argue that is because it aligns as what is best for his own family.
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:57:41 PM
#323:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Also Corrik, you may remember Dylann Roof

An avid reader of the same website that organized the Charlottesville rally

I don't know all the details but if he was a lone wolf that acted on his own which I think he was (not positive) that is like arguing Christians are terrorists if someone reads the bible and blows up an abortion clinic after reading a bible.

(Not a great analogy but its good enough)


The Bible doesn't advocate killing abortion doctors though.

The Daily Stormer literally advocates killing "inferior races."

Sounds like something that should be banned then if so.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 5:58:14 PM
#324:


Corrik posted...
Sounds like something that should be banned then if so.


It's tough banning a website
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pjbasis
08/15/17 5:58:21 PM
#325:


Kinglicious posted...
Calling for an assasination, apart from incredibly immortal,


Assassination is the oldest profession they say
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Corrik
08/15/17 5:59:17 PM
#326:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Sounds like something that should be banned then if so.


It's tough banning a website

Doesn't that fall under a hate crime?
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:00:22 PM
#327:


Speaking of, now that GoDaddy and Google have kicked them to the curb, here's the update on The Daily Stormer

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbbdx9/someone-appears-to-be-ddosing-the-dark-web-version-of-the-daily-stormer
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pjbasis
08/15/17 6:00:29 PM
#328:


I think it's hard to look at Trump as a guy who's really thinking about other people and wants to give back.

I say it's hard to look at a lot of people in power that way. He's not unique, but he's got some unusually bad advisers.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:00:58 PM
#329:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Sounds like something that should be banned then if so.


It's tough banning a website

Doesn't that fall under a hate crime?


You realize websites are worldwide
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Kenri
08/15/17 6:01:19 PM
#330:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Sounds like something that should be banned then if so.


It's tough banning a website

Doesn't that fall under a hate crime?

The US doesn't really have hate speech laws, and even if it did I think they could just find a host in another country to get around them.
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LtMplusCATS
08/15/17 6:02:11 PM
#331:


Fair. Though again, I didn't call for shit! Easily misinterpreted, though.

....what the fuck is this account.
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Not_an_Owl
08/15/17 6:03:42 PM
#332:


pjbasis posted...
Kinglicious posted...
Calling for an assasination, apart from incredibly immortal,


Assassination is the oldest profession they say

I thought that was prostitution?
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:03:49 PM
#333:


A superior one
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red sox 777
08/15/17 6:04:31 PM
#334:


If Trump can succeed in restoring the economic prosperity of the working class, and foster a more open and tolerant society, I don't mind if he pays himself, say, $200 billion (the higher end estimate of Putin's net worth). If Putin gets that much for making Russia great again, I don't mind Trump paying himself a similar amount for succeeding here.
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Kinglicious
08/15/17 6:04:35 PM
#335:


Jakyl25 posted...
Speaking of, now that GoDaddy and Google have kicked them to the curb, here's the update on The Daily Stormer

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbbdx9/someone-appears-to-be-ddosing-the-dark-web-version-of-the-daily-stormer


"Just to annoy weev."

Oh so it's probably another goon/former GNAA.
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lordloki12
08/15/17 6:04:50 PM
#336:


Not_an_Owl posted...
pjbasis posted...
Kinglicious posted...
Calling for an assasination, apart from incredibly immortal,


Assassination is the oldest profession they say

I thought that was prostitution?


Probably the first assassins.
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FFDragon
08/15/17 6:06:14 PM
#337:


red sox 777 posted...
If Trump can foster a more open and tolerant society,


hahaha what
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:07:13 PM
#338:


https://twitter.com/gotmilk/status/897270172712443904

Milk has disavowed white supremacists

The entire concept of milk
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pjbasis
08/15/17 6:08:07 PM
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LtMplusCATS
08/15/17 6:08:23 PM
#340:


Redsox was mad that I'd caused more controversy than him and decided to make one of his dumbest posts to date.
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LtMplusCATS
08/15/17 6:09:15 PM
#341:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/gotmilk/status/897270172712443904

Milk has disavowed white supremacists

The entire concept of milk


Seems more like a Wang response to me.
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UltiXX
08/15/17 6:10:52 PM
#342:


Good on Trump for blaming both sides. They're both vile, repulsive, loaded with bigotry, and deserve each other wholeheartedly. And how dare the media try to blame one side for the actions of a few idiots while ignoring the other.

I'm including conservative media blaming all leftists for the actions of Antifa, for the record. They are just as culpable as what CNN is doing. It's all trash and I'm sick of it.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:11:08 PM
#343:


I just realized how upside down things are

The USA is home of the Nazi movement

Germany is the leader of the free world
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Eddv
08/15/17 6:12:44 PM
#344:


Hey look we have corrik agreeing we should have laws against hate speech.
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Jakyl25
08/15/17 6:13:26 PM
#345:


Hey Ulti, just for future reference in your inevitable tirades:

LtM called for the assassination of Trump and all us liberals danced and sang with happiness imagining it.
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ChaosTonyV4
08/15/17 6:14:47 PM
#346:


UltiXX posted...
Good on Trump for blaming both sides. They're both vile, repulsive, loaded with bigotry, and deserve each other wholeheartedly.


Incredible. Literally equating counter-KKK protesters with the KKK.
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LtMplusCATS
08/15/17 6:15:04 PM
#347:


Jakyl, Ulti doesn't actually have me on ignore.

Thanks for giving him an excuse, though, should be good for a laugh.
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pjbasis
08/15/17 6:15:11 PM
#348:


What's a hate law exactly?

I think I'm pretty alright with not allowing neo nazis to congregate, but I draw a pretty hard line around there. And the fear would be hate laws could extend way past it.
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Tom Bombadil
08/15/17 6:15:56 PM
#349:


UltiXX posted...
It's all trash and I'm sick of it.


finally we have found some common ground
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Eddv
08/15/17 6:19:50 PM
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Reg
08/15/17 6:20:08 PM
#351:


Reminder that LTM is an ass. As I've been on and off saying for a long time.
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