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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 124: Still Heather Heyer. Deal with it.
red sox 777 08/15/17 1:55:10 AM #114:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Illinois State Senate passes resolution calling for neo nazis to be classified as terror groups. Once again, a reminder that local and state politics can change far faster than federal. Legit question for any legal-minded people here ( @Kinglicious ) ( @red_sox_777 ) What is the difference, legally, between a terrorist organization, a gang, and something like the KKK? Obviously it is perfectly legal to be and even march in the KKK. I am fairly certain that membership of the Bloods isn't inherently illegal, but affiliation can give police more probable cause for investigation than usual (right?). And as far as I know, if you are legitimately in ISIS, you are straight up getting arrested regardless of whether you're actively committing a crime. Anyone? I think the statutes vary by state, but generally, a criminal gang is a group of people (formal or informal) that has, as a primary/core purpose, committing crimes, and has repeatedly committed crimes. 60 years ago, the KKK committed lots of crimes and would likely have qualified as a criminal gang under modern statutes. Generally, it is not illegal in itself to be affiliated with a criminal gang, but doing anything to support them can lead to charges with gang enhancements. For terrorism, the term under federal law seems to encompass only actions that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a population or government, and are also illegal under other laws. The KKK of 60 years ago probably also qualifies. ISIS is a foreign state that has expressly declared war on the United States. As such, any member should be treated as an enemy combatant. At least, that's what I think should be done. I'm not aware of any ISIS people captured in the US yet, although there's been a lot of cases in Europe. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:884800870] in Politics C... [t:75671278]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>Illinois State Senate passes resolution calling for neo nazis to be classified as terror groups. Once again, a reminder that local and state politics can change far faster than federal.</quote> Legit question for any legal-minded people here ( @Kinglicious ) ( @red_sox_777 ) What is the difference, legally, between a terrorist organization, a gang, and something like the KKK? Obviously it is perfectly legal to be and even march in the KKK. I am fairly certain that membership of the Bloods isn't inherently illegal, but affiliation can give police more probable cause for investigation than usual (right?). And as far as I know, if you are legitimately in ISIS, you are straight up getting arrested regardless of whether you're actively committing a crime. Anyone?</quote> I think the statutes vary by state, but generally, a criminal gang is a group of people (formal or informal) that has, as a primary/core purpose, committing crimes, and has repeatedly committed crimes. 60 years ago, the KKK committed lots of crimes and would likely have qualified as a criminal gang under modern statutes. Generally, it is not illegal in itself to be affiliated with a criminal gang, but doing anything to support them can lead to charges with gang enhancements. For terrorism, the term under federal law seems to encompass only actions that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a population or government, and are also illegal under other laws. The KKK of 60 years ago probably also qualifies. ISIS is a foreign state that has expressly declared war on the United States. As such, any member should be treated as an enemy combatant. At least, that's what I think should be done. I'm not aware of any ISIS people captured in the US yet, although there's been a lot of cases in Europe. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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