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Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.

yes, you can literally show that red states are more likely to have a smaller share of their population covered by the reporting agencies

no, this doesn't refute your overall point because what you said is still plausibly true (e.g., Texas has fewer reports than California)

but it also shows that it could be that they are reporting for fewer months out of the year, for instance

that is why it cautions not to use the data the way that you are

I'm not interested in "coulds", are they or aren't they? I'm not sure by what other metric you want to use, but blue states having on average twice the amount of hate crimes per capita can't just be chalked up to a guess that red states are all bad at reporting.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Fony posted...

- Georgia, Wyoming, South Carolina, Indiana, and Arkansas do not have ANY hate crime law on the books and these states are notorious for racially motivated violence even today(as well as religious and sexual orientation based violence). Especially SC, Georgia and Arkansas. So you can't track what does not get caught in the tracking system's net.

/endtopic

That's interesting, because according to the FBI all those states have been reporting hate crimes. So who's lying, Fony or the FBI?
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Is there any proof that the tweet is true?

Google "Trump disco". It's documented that he met with survivors for like half an hour then went partying

Only source I could find was HuffPo and they say nothing about how long Trump met with survivors...
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Antifar posted...

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Waluigi7 posted...
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.

What does this have to do with hate crimes

You had made the claim in post 40 that "blue states are more bigoted than red states," but of course hate crime reports are not the only measure of this.

I would argue that actual crimes motivated by bigotry are a lot more vital than whether a person privately doesn't approve of interracial couples.

Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal


Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type.

...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year.

tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt

Can you show though that the red states are reporting less than the blue states are? Because this standard of reporting applies to all states including the blue ones.
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LordRazziel posted...

You're argument was that it was easier to use a pressure cooker than an assault rifle. If that's true, then why are most mass shootings done with a hand gun, when that's much, much easier?

No idea. But we do know an improvised bomb is easily made and can kill as many people as could in a mass shooting.

LordRazziel posted...

Again, I really don't think you're stupid. I think you are intelligent, which is why it's a shame you don't use you're head.

Protip: don't accuse people of not using their head as you use "you're" instead of "your".

LordRazziel posted...

There are many times where you use logic that you criticise others for using, you often ghost topics and ignore questions - all while touting yourself to be superior and not prone to any flawed thinking.

Look I won't "ghost" out of topics where people back up their arguments with empirical data. But it's always the same flawed arguments over and over again with no factual basis. "America has the most mass shootings of all developed countries", not even close, when you look at the data per capita. "Gun bans decreased homicides in Australia", they didn't, the ban didn't affect the downward trend of their homicide rate at all. "Banning AR-15s would stop mass shootings", a tiny minority of mass shootings are committed with rifles. "Gun control would save lives", there has never been any study showing a casual correlation between gun control and less murders.

I can, and have, shown all these things to be true with real evidence, and the usual crap I get in response is "Don't you care about the kids??"

I already waste enough of my life shitposting on a video game message board; not gonna waste more of it on useless discussions.
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Balrog0 posted...

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A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases

Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states.

Waluigi7 posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/

46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage.

What does this have to do with hate crimes
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Is there any proof that the tweet is true?
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Balrog0 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

I mean, the data does bear that out. Alabama (and Mississippi has a lot more than .5 million) has a lot more than 1 million people, but only 1 million people are covered by the participating agencies. Similar, though smaller, disparities exist in other southern states (Louisiana, Georgia, Indiana)

A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this.

CyricZ posted...

Okay, Sally. Let's address the fact that your data tells a minor portion of the story, so you don't get to play Brigadier High-Horse, here, either.

I mean, let's not get away from the real reason you made this topic: to rile up CE liberals and watch them twist while you make like El Blaze from Virtua Fighter over here with "I have the data! You have NOTHING!"

Correct. An argument with evidence beats an argument with zero evidence, obviously.

CyricZ posted...

I may not know the root cause of hate crimes as a factor of location, but I know CE troublemakers pretty well.

I'm a troublemaker for pointing out realities that you don't like, huh? If you were actually as unbiased as you pretended to be, why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states with statistics than you are at everyone else for insisting that red states are more bigoted based on nothing? One of these things is not like the other!
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

I said this to you in another topic
but it applies here

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

person: says something empirically true
other person: hey, don't be racist

generally the things people like you post are not "empirically true" but rather a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory, and often racist poll-gathering and stats.

These also ignore societal implications, they ignore history, and the information is presented in a way that's supposed to convey "black people are inherently lesser"

but i'm supposed to think you're being objective lmfao

Look at all the responses to this topic

None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's.

The only one's in this topic making "a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory" information are them, not me.
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Kineth posted...

You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.

Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting
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Delta_F14 posted...

Yes, lets ban guns like banning drugs.

Yeah, because of that recent mass drug use where a lone crazy person walked into a school and killed 50 innocent people with a blunt ...

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robellr13 posted...

Also , keep in mind that companies would rather hire a convicted white felon.

The recidivism rate, like the broken home rate, is skewed between white and black Americans. White felons are statistically less likely to have committed as many felonies as black felons are, which is what skews that particular statistic against black felons overall. Obviously, a black man with one felony is a lot more likely to get a job than a white man with two felonies, all else equal. It's just that black felons are overall more likely to have more dirt on their sheet than white felons.

This is why it's useful to judge these things with as many variables accounted for as possible.
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Sonic Cannon posted...

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Seriously though, if Oprah runs for president she's gonna get reamed. All her dirty laundry will be brought out.

For example, look up the shenanigans she got up to with her school in South Africa. Makes Trump U look like Stanford.

Trump has basically proven that dirty laundry won't stop you winning the presidential election, so I don't think this would be what makes her lose.

Mud looks worse on a white suit than it does on a guy who's already muddy. People have known for three decades that Trump is a racy, belligerent, scoundrel who insults people's appearance. That's a lot of why they like him tbqh.

The people who like Oprah are clearly under the impression that she's some kind of saint and a role model. That perception will get obliterated real quick once her fellow DNC candidates start digging into her.
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TroutPaste posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

TroutPaste posted...

These posts are stupid and you should all feel bad

You're calling me stupid, huh? You call people of Irish-heritage people stupid?? How dare you???

^ This is the logic that website uses. Calling Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig is not an insult to all women.

Good thing I'm Irish

Uncle Tam.
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robellr13 posted...

No one is complaining about the education or academics. We are pretty knowledgeable. We are arguing opportunities. Its not because we arent built good enough to be up there. We are good, the problem is we have to work harder for our chances

I mean, middle-to-upper class black kids whose parents are still together don't. There's no statistical deviation in success between white and black kids in similar familial and economic situations. The problem is that way fewer black kids grow up with both parents in the house.
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TroutPaste posted...

These posts are stupid and you should all feel bad

You're calling me stupid, huh? You call people of Irish-heritage people stupid?? How dare you???

^ This is the logic that website uses. Calling Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig is not an insult to all women.
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TroutPaste posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

TroutPaste posted...

He said he could have f***ed Princess Diana, after she was dead

He said he would have, if he could.

What's wrong with that, I think most men would have.

You're not supposed to say that about women you don't know, in public
But I suppose you would have sex with Donald Trump too

Are you kidding, that's not even close to the racist thing said on the Howard Stern show

And Trump did know her. They say it in the very interview you're talking about.
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TroutPaste posted...

He said he could have f***ed Princess Diana, after she was dead

He said he would have, not that he could.

And what's wrong with that, I think most men would have.
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TroutPaste posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Seriously though, if Oprah runs for president she's gonna get reamed. All her dirty laundry will be brought out.

For example, look up the shenanigans she got up to with her school in South Africa. Makes Trump U look like Stanford.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/

Fat. Pig. Dog. Slob. Disgusting animal. These are just some of the names that Donald Trump has called women.

Already you can tell how biased this is. Calling some women names is not an attack on women overall.
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robellr13 posted...

The people who run the system are mostly white people...

They still aren't the majority though.

Also, I should warn you, with this argument you're treading dangerously close to Neo-Nazi talking points. A significant number of the 1% are jewish, at a way higher rate than other white people are comparing population sizes. This is a lot of what nazis are upset about, as they were in pre-nazi Germany.

Obviously this isn't because jews are oppressing people. It's because families in jewish communities overwhelmingly value education ans academics. Just saying, I hope your logic doesn't apply to them.
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Seriously though, if Oprah runs for president she's gonna get reamed. All her dirty laundry will be brought out.

For example, look up the shenanigans she got up to with her school in South Africa. Makes Trump U look like Stanford.
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scar the 1 posted...

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"Young men" can't buy guns in the US. Gotta be 18.

18 is very young

The person on twitter is clearly referring to people under 18. That's when a woman has to get parental permission for an abortion.

As for the "close gun stores like we do abortion clinics", Planned Parenthood gets money from the government. That's why the government is able to shut them down; by removing their funding. No gun store, as far as I know, gets government funding.

Basically, both her ideas comparing abortions to buying guns are nonsensical.
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"Young men" can't buy guns in the US. Gotta be 18.
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robellr13 posted...

Collin Powell kids arent the majority

Neither are white people who oppress black people.
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robellr13 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

What sort of oppression do you believe black people are subject to in the US (assuming you're in the US)

Systemic.
Opportunities.
We have to work twice as hard if its not controlled by us.

Who's this "we"

Are Colin Powell's kids in "we"? Do you believe they are bereft of systemic opportunities?
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What sort of oppression do you believe black people are subject to in the US (assuming you're in the US)
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LordRazziel posted...

Why make the $900 dollar assault rifle vs pressure cooker argument.

To point out that even if we poofed away all the guns that psychos are by no means less capable of killing as many people as are killed in the average mass shooting.

The handguns point is in reference to a completely different string of argument unrelated to the one between me and you.

Protip: don't accuse other people of being stupid when you yourself are the one who's confused. It makes you look even dumber than whatever your argument was.
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GamerSanta posted...

Scintillant posted...

GamerSanta posted...

Read my opening post. I briefly go into why it is such an expertly crafted film for a genre that's known to "appeal to the masses". Hopefully that helps!

you just list a lot of shallow opinions that can be disagreed with on a yes/no basis that don't inspire any further commentary

Except I use examples from other Marvel movies that are factual and cannot be disagreed with. Did Thor: Ragnarok play the Immigrant Song multiple times throughout the movie? yes. Did Black Panther play Opps multiple times in the movie? no.

It's okay if you want to like a different movie more. I like Guardians more but the facts do not lie: Black Panther is the best MCU film in existence.

I know why you liked it, just not sure why it's RT score somehow reflects how objectively good it is when many of the critic reviews seem to regard it as some artistic masterpiece when it clearly isn't.

It was a better than average Marvel superhero movie. Not the best one, IMO, but it's up there.
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GamerSanta posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

It's like... 4th best Marvel movie at best

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe
Right in front. Highest Rated Movie: Black Panther.

Guardians is my fav Marvel movie but when you look at the bigger picture, Black Panther is objectively the best.

Saying a movie is "objectively" better than another one because it higher RT critic score is lol

Some of those critic reviews are ridiculous. I read one that said the movie will be studied in classrooms for years to come.

Like, what?
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I thought the first hour of BP was kind of meandering. After that it got good.

I put it above DS but below Cap 1
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What's wrong with that idea
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Because all the countries that could do something about it besides America, England, China, and the USSR were taken over by Germany
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ChainedRedone posted...

a42ozslushie posted...

Liberals: We need ban guns. Think of the lives we could save.

Liberals: Abortion should be legal. It's the mother's choice.

Now that is a false dichotomy.

Only if you don't consider unborn to be alive. Which they are.
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Deadpool_18 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Ok let's talk about it. What new law would have prevented this shooting?

Any ban on semiautomatic rifles likely would have. Australia had multiple mass shooting involving semiautl rifles and once they were banned, they stopped completely.

But let me guess, "America is different and people will always shoot up schools no matter what" or something along those lines, right?

Oh yeah. Ive had several moronic Facebook friends prove their ignorance to economics.

You guys know that the worst school shooting in US history was committed with handguns, right?
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@ScazarMeltex posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

We throw away almost 50% of the world's banana crop every year because if don't look a certain way they won't be bought in grocery stores.

If they produce, wash, pack, and ship bananas that won't sell, the banana farmers don't make money.

If they give away sub-par bananas, the demand for bananas that aren't free will plummet, the banana farmers don't make money.

If banana farmers don't make money from growing bananas, they will stop growing bananas.

No bananas for anyone.

So maybe that means that capitalism isn't the most efficient system for taking care of our food problems in the world.

Ok, which other system keeps grocery stores packed with food and lifts as many people out of poverty as Capitalism?

(Hint: it's not socialism)
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8.5/11 posters that say "It's ok to be white": racist

Paintings of people cutting the heads off a specific race: not racist
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Why would they, in most states being pro-gun control is an automatic election loss
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Crazyman93 posted...

Kineth posted...

Men are more prone to committing suicide

That's not true. Women are more likely to attempt to commit suicide, but men are statistically more likely to succeed.

So it is true....?
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

What about unborn children of drug addicts. They are directly affected. Also I've seen countless stories of tweaked out parents killing or forgetting about their kids causing their death.

So the war on drugs isn't stopping it then...
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Rika_Furude posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

yeah imagine thinking the mother, who has to live with the shame and horror of her child being a worthless drug abuser, is not a victim

Imagine thinking the war on drugs had done anything to prevent such a thing.

cause if drugs were easier to get, nobody would ever do drugs...

Do you believe alcoholism went down during prohibition?
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Foppe posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

There is no victim when I shoot up heroin (except me).

Except the slaves that are forced to collect the Papaver somniferum, the ones that are being forced to smuggle it into the country and the ones being killed for it to decide who gets your money in the end.

Those appear to be victims of the war on drugs, not victims of drugs themselves.
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Rika_Furude posted...

yeah imagine thinking the mother, who has to live with the shame and horror of her child being a worthless drug abuser, is not a victim

Imagine thinking the war on drugs had done anything to prevent such a thing.
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ModLogic posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

There is no victim when I shoot up heroin (except me).

lmfao the victims when it comes to druggies are the people unfortunate enough to be associated with the scum

Like Assulttank said, no. Those sorts of "victims" aren't deprived of any agency.
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ModLogic posted...

how many people are on the run because they killed someone? if they legalize murder these poor souls wouldn't have to live constantly looking over their shoulders.

There is no victim when I own a gun.

There is no victim when I shoot up heroin (except me).

There is a victim when I murder someone.

See the difference?
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Manspreading increases violent tendencies.
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AssultTank posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

ModLogic posted...

banning drugs dont work! people who want to do drugs will still do drugs. drugs dont kill people, misuse kills people!

Correct.

Are you under the impression that the war on drugs has been a smashing success or something

Hasn't research shown that the war on drugs not only made drug use more harmful to the average user but has given rise to the whole prison epidemic in America?

Yes.

And the idea that a war on guns would work differently is dumbfounding, especially when the people who have that opinion also usually malign the war on drugs.
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I liked it a lot. The sci-fi setting is really fleshed-out and coherent compared to most.
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ModLogic posted...

banning drugs dont work! people who want to do drugs will still do drugs. drugs dont kill people, misuse kills people!

Correct.

Are you under the impression that the war on drugs has been a smashing success or something
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