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Sephiroth1288 02/17/18 6:04:32 PM #1: |
https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/tables/table-12
9 of the 10 states with the least hate crimes per capita voted for Trump 6 of the 10 states with the most hate crimes per capita voted for Hillary the overall red state hate crime rate per 100k is 1.68 the overall blue state hate crime rate per 100k is 3.37 --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Omnislasher 02/17/18 6:04:47 PM #2: |
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Annihilated 02/17/18 6:07:44 PM #3: |
And these are just reported hate crimes. I wonder how many of them are actually real, and what the racial breakdown of them is.
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Garioshi 02/17/18 6:07:57 PM #4: |
It says "hate crimes reported". I wouldn't be surprised if less hate crimes are reported in red states.
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TheVipaGTS 02/17/18 6:09:13 PM #5: |
Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them.
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A_Good_Boy 02/17/18 6:09:17 PM #6: |
Wtf we support hate crime designations now?
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Sephiroth1288 02/17/18 6:09:30 PM #7: |
Garioshi posted...
It says "hate crimes reported" As opposed to what, "hate crimes guessed"? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 02/17/18 6:09:37 PM #8: |
I would complain about people spamming the thinking emoji, but at least it means they're not spamming the shit one.
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Sephiroth1288 02/17/18 6:10:12 PM #9: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them. Do you have any empirical basis for this or did you just pull it out of your ass --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/17/18 6:10:47 PM #10: |
crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps
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Sephiroth1288 02/17/18 6:11:30 PM #11: |
CookieMarvin posted...
crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps Are there no gay people in "wasp" states either? And since when was Arkansas a "wasp" state --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Genocet_10-325 02/17/18 6:11:36 PM #12: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Because thats just normal in red states. They dont report them. --- Formerly known as The_Great_Geno Conservatism is a plague on society. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 02/17/18 6:11:54 PM #13: |
CookieMarvin posted...
crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps 55% of America's black population lives in the south --- Do good. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CookieMarvin 02/17/18 6:13:11 PM #14: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
CookieMarvin posted...crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps Im gonna let you think about how bad of a response that was --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Genocet_10-325 02/17/18 6:13:50 PM #15: |
Shit flopic
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Sephiroth1288 02/17/18 6:14:13 PM #16: |
CookieMarvin posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...CookieMarvin posted...crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps Sephiroth1288 posted... And since when was Arkansas a "wasp" state I'm gonna let you think about how bad your original post was --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SomeLikeItHoth 02/19/18 5:55:14 AM #18: |
@TheVipaGTS posted...
Because that?s just normal in red states. They don?t report them. Can you cite a source for this? --- THE FAM 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EnragedSlith 02/19/18 6:03:59 AM #19: |
FLUFFYGERM posted...
CookieMarvin posted...crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps In massively segregated communities. In a society that barely enforces hate crimes. The snarky responses are actually true --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SavenForever 02/19/18 6:10:54 AM #20: |
SomeLikeItHoth posted...
@TheVipaGTS posted...Because that?s just normal in red states. They don?t report them. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 02/19/18 6:15:26 AM #21: |
You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states.
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Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 6:35:40 AM #22: |
Kineth posted...
You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states. Got any source to back that up or are you just deflecting --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 6:58:19 AM #23: |
EnragedSlith posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...CookieMarvin posted...crazy how there are fewer hate crimes in places that are only home to wasps segregation is over dog --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 02/19/18 7:02:47 AM #24: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Kineth posted...You can paint any narrative you want with statistics, but I'd wager that hate crime legislation is more regularly enforced in blue states than red states. What's the point of this topic. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 02/19/18 7:03:04 AM #25: |
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
EnragedSlith posted...FLUFFYGERM posted... State sanctioned, yes. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/19/18 7:03:40 AM #26: |
Well, you've reported this data. Now interpret it.
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Milkman5 02/19/18 7:03:54 AM #27: |
that's surprising considering how black the bible belt is. I've always heard there was a lot of racism in the south
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Waluigi7 02/19/18 7:16:48 AM #28: |
Milkman5 posted...
that's surprising considering how black the bible belt is. I've always heard there was a lot of racism in the south There is. Do you think racist people are going to be fair and unbalanced when it comes to reporting hate crimes? --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 7:23:23 AM #29: |
I said this to you in another topic
but it applies here YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... Sephiroth1288 posted...person: says something empirically true --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/19/18 7:23:33 AM #30: |
For some of the folks in this topic:
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf There's some interesting stuff in this report if you take some time with it. But in short, the evidence suggests that a significant amount of hate crimes go unreported as hate crimes. While this report also goes by region as well, it does not specify where in the US the lack of reporting is centered. This is not to say that these crimes A) do not happen or B) go unreported as crimes, just that they're not reported as hate crimes. A majority of these "unreported as hate crimes" get handled a different way. So, that suggests that either: 1) Hate crimes just don't happen as often in red states. 2) Hate crimes aren't reported as hate crimes in red states. 3) Diversity of the region plays a significant factor. And it's probably an indeterminable mix of all three. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 02/19/18 8:22:11 AM #31: |
CyricZ posted...
3) Diversity of the region plays a significant factor. my gut says this is the dominant factor. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 10:10:03 AM #32: |
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I said this to you in another topic Look at all the responses to this topic None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's. The only one's in this topic making "a set of observations and inferences created based off of incomplete, discriminatory" information are them, not me. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 02/19/18 10:23:51 AM #33: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
I mean, the data does bear that out. Alabama (and Mississippi has a lot more than .5 million) has a lot more than 1 million people, but only 1 million people are covered by the participating agencies. Similar, though smaller, disparities exist in other southern states (Louisiana, Georgia, Indiana) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/19/18 10:24:55 AM #34: |
Blue states: not racism free!
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Akagami_Shanks 02/19/18 10:27:46 AM #35: |
CE racists have been out in force since Black Panther holy shit lmao
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sktgamer_13dude 02/19/18 10:27:46 AM #36: |
Mal: take that liberals!
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CyricZ 02/19/18 10:37:36 AM #37: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
None of the challenges are based on any empirical claims. The idea that red states are so racist that hate crimes go unreported more often in them is unsupported by any evidence posted ITT, including Cyric's. Okay, Sally. Let's address the fact that your data tells a minor portion of the story, so you don't get to play Brigadier High-Horse, here, either. I mean, let's not get away from the real reason you made this topic: to rile up CE liberals and watch them twist while you make like El Blaze from Virtua Fighter over here with "I have the data! You have NOTHING!" I may not know the root cause of hate crimes as a factor of location, but I know CE troublemakers pretty well. --- CyricZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 02/19/18 10:39:24 AM #38: |
I don't really care either way though tbh I mean I have lived in both red states and blue states and people are indeed racist every where
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FrisbeeDude 02/19/18 10:40:08 AM #39: |
Lol at reporting hate crimes in the south. Like...what's even the point?
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Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 10:45:38 AM #40: |
Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted... A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this. CyricZ posted... Okay, Sally. Let's address the fact that your data tells a minor portion of the story, so you don't get to play Brigadier High-Horse, here, either. Correct. An argument with evidence beats an argument with zero evidence, obviously. CyricZ posted... I may not know the root cause of hate crimes as a factor of location, but I know CE troublemakers pretty well. I'm a troublemaker for pointing out realities that you don't like, huh? If you were actually as unbiased as you pretended to be, why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states with statistics than you are at everyone else for insisting that red states are more bigoted based on nothing? One of these things is not like the other! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/19/18 10:47:52 AM #41: |
see, guys, Liberals are the real racists and Mal just proved it to everyone.
also, the topic title is wholly disingenuous because it should say "Blue states have twice as many *reported* hate crimes" because that's what the stats measure. it's ironic you're getting so focused on the empirical data but you aren't even accurately representing what it measures. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 02/19/18 10:49:39 AM #42: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this. It isn't about the size of the sample, it is about the composition, i.e., selection biases --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi7 02/19/18 10:49:42 AM #43: |
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/
46% of Mississippi Republicans disapprove of interracial marriage. --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 02/19/18 10:50:29 AM #44: |
This data just includes "incidents reported" for 2016. I was under the impression that conservatives were skeptical of hate crime reports in the wake of Trump's election as being made up by liberals to suit a narrative.
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Sephiroth1288 02/19/18 10:50:55 AM #45: |
Balrog0 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this. Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states. Waluigi7 posted... https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/349433/ What does this have to do with hate crimes --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/19/18 10:53:19 AM #46: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Waluigi7 posted... You had made the claim in post 40 that "blue states are more bigoted than red states," but of course hate crime reports are not the only measure of this. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dustin1280 02/19/18 10:54:35 AM #47: |
Naturally the best argument in this topic is ignored by mal:
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Balrog0 02/19/18 10:54:44 AM #48: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Riiight, the FBI is so totally known for being biased against blue states. lmao classic trumpster fire response from mal Valid assessments about crime, including hate crime, are possible only with careful study and analysis of the various conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. (See Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics: Their Proper Use.) In addition, some data in this publication may not be comparable to those in prior editions of Hate Crime Statistics because of differing levels of participation from year to year. Therefore, the reader is cautioned against making simplistic comparisons between the statistical data of this program and that of others with differing methodologies or even comparing individual reporting units solely on the basis of their agency type. ...The data used in creating this table were from all law enforcement agencies that submitted either of the following: (1) at least one Group A Incident Report, a Group B Arrest Report, or a Zero Report for at least 1 month of the calendar year via the National Incident-Based Reporting System; or (2) at least one Hate Crime Incident Report and/or a Zero Report via the Hate Crime Technical Specification or the Microsoft Excel Workbook Tool. The published data, therefore, do not necessarily represent reports from each participating agency for all 12 months (or 4 quarters) of the calendar year. tl;dr the submission of reports is voluntary by locality, not even by state, and the data note cautions using the data for the kind of comparisons you are attempting to make itt --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi7 02/19/18 10:54:55 AM #49: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Balrog0 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...A sample size of 1 million is more than enough to gauge a statistic like this. Don't pretend like this topic wasn't a petty attempt at trying to portray blue states as more racist than red states. --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 02/19/18 10:58:02 AM #50: |
Waluigi7 posted...
Don't pretend like this topic wasn't a petty attempt at trying to portray blue states as more racist than red states. that's exactly what he's doing: Sephiroth1288 posted... why are you more mad at me for showing blue states are more bigoted than red states and to open up that can of worms is just hilarious --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) (~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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