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ScazarMeltex posted...

We throw away almost 50% of the world's banana crop every year because if don't look a certain way they won't be bought in grocery stores.

If they produce, wash, pack, and ship bananas that won't sell, the banana farmers don't make money.

If they give away sub-par bananas, the demand for bananas that aren't free will plummet, the banana farmers don't make money.

If banana farmers don't make money from growing bananas, they will stop growing bananas.

No bananas for anyone.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

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Smashingpmkns posted...

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Smashingpmkns posted...

This would be a reasonable thing to say if this were the first mass shooting in America's history. Unfortunately, there's been many and nothing has been done.

What do you mean "doing nothing"

Are you aware the homicide rate has been dropping for decades now?

And mass shootings and the amount of deaths in mass shootings have gone up. You aware of that?

Why are we parsing mass shootings out of homicides?

You are aware that's called "cherrypicking", right?

You are aware that the only reason this conversation is even happening is because of a mass shooting, right?

You are aware that using statistically rare instances to make policy decisions is really dumb, right?

And that mass shootings are largely comprised of gang and drug-related violence, which aren't relevant to schools
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

This would be a reasonable thing to say if this were the first mass shooting in America's history. Unfortunately, there's been many and nothing has been done.

What do you mean "doing nothing"

Are you aware the homicide rate has been dropping for decades now?

And mass shootings and the amount of deaths in mass shootings have gone up. You aware of that?

Why are we parsing mass shootings out of homicides?

You are aware that's called "cherrypicking", right?
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metralo posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

Why would I read a speech composed by a naive teenage girl regarding something she knows nothing about?

well, you guys elected a president who knows nothing about being a president.

*Looks at economy*

hmmm
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

twitterfriends posted...

It can be fixed, do you realize how much food grocery stores and restaurants throw out unsold food?

France has it so that food can't be thrown out but has to be donated

The reason stores throw out nearly expired food is because they can get sued if a homeless person gets sick from eating it.

It sucks, but that's the law for ya.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

This would be a reasonable thing to say if this were the first mass shooting in America's history. Unfortunately, there's been many and nothing has been done.

What do you mean "doing nothing"

Are you aware the homicide rate has been dropping for decades now?
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if all our government and President can do is send thoughts and prayers, then it's time for victims to be the change that we need to see.

Riiiight, because policies made on the basis of emotion always work out splendidly.

When it comes to making policy, I don't care how devastated she is about the shooting. Emotion doesn't replace logic.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Pressure cooker bombs are still much more difficult to make than buying a gun.

No I'm pretty sure making a pressure cooker bomb is way more feasible for deranged teenagers than buying a $900+ rifle is.

ChainedRedone posted...

If people would just as easily use pressure cookers, why don't those attack occur in developed countries like Australia?

Because Australia has 1/20th of our population and better mental health programs.
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Keeping tabs on kids who have the police called on them 39 times for violent behavior should be enough.
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ChainedRedone posted...

It's incredible that a developed country can even say that. Only a gun nut thinks that "The majority of mass shootings kill less than 5 people" being a good case for keeping guns so loosely regulated.

You said the pressure cooker attack wasn't that bad because only 3 people died

Most mass shootings don't have greater than 3 fatalities.

Come on bro, focus on the argument at hand.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

Why would they be afraid of guns at one of their conferences?

For the same reason every other political organization would?
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Samurontai posted...

It doesn't matter when the argument itself is already strong

It isn't. It's the single biggest losing argument the DNC has.
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ASithLord7 posted...

I know what you're referring to.

I'm asking if you seriously think they were being serious.

Probably not. It's still really bad that these kind of people were in the investigation for several months.

They were frantically texting back-and-forth in horror at the election results, and supported the investigation even though they suspected it was bullshit. I don't know how one can say the idea that the investigation is full of deranged Trump haters is weirder than the idea that Trump illegally colluded with Russia when only the former actually has supporting evidence.

cerealbox760 posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

Im sure this didnt help ^^^^^

I don't think that bill does what you think it does. Suffice to say, it doesn't make it easier for people with mental health problems to get guns, it just made it easier for elderly people to get guns.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

and talk about meeting for a secret society

Is

Is he serious

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Grief, no matter how passionate, does not make your political ideas matter more.

Have you ever rolled your eyes so hard they got stuck

Just pointing out that emotion doesn't make an argument better. That's all.
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Antifar posted...

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So yeah, 2 people in the FBI shown to be deranged weirdos who hate Trump

You'd have to be a deranged weirdo to hate the game show host and sexual assaulter president?

When you are an FBI agent and talk about meeting for a secret society to take down a fairly-elected president? Yes.
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Grief, no matter how passionate, does not make your political ideas matter more.
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SomeonesAlt posted...

Keep pushing that boulder Mal, surely your messiah will notice eventually

You are allowed to act smug after any evidence whatsoever comes out that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. Not before.
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asagi_mode_gone posted...

NRA doesn't allow guns at their national convention. You'd think with all those good guys with guns they'd have nothing to worry about.

It's not the position of the NRA that everyone must allow guns everywhere. How is that hypocrisy?
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LordRazziel posted...

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ChainedRedone posted...

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Blbmbr666 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

So in the same way immigration can't stop Islamic extremists, but could reduce their numbers, couldn't stricter gun laws reduce incidents of mass murder?

I just wanna point out that your comparison is flawed. Immigration changes would stop the perpetrators of violence, a gun law would only make a tool harder to acquire instead of stopping the perpetrators.

Depends on how you look at it.
My point is reduction through increased difficulty. In that way, it's an apt comparison.

A psycho who wants to kill people and can't get a gun will use other things instead, like a truck or a pressure cooker bomb.

You mean the pressure cooker bombs that killed 3 people in Boston? Yeah those things sure are as deadly as guns that kill dozens in minutes.

The majority of mass shootings have fewer than 5 deaths.

Does that include gang and drug violence?

No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

Even not counting the cases with no fatalities, there's extremely few cases where a mass shooter kills more than 3 people
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SomeonesAlt posted...

The "secret society" crap was already shown to be a nothingburger

"nothingburger"

Even if they weren't serious about a legitimate secret society, these are the people who were supposed to be involved in the Trump investigation.

So yeah, 2 people in the FBI shown to be deranged weirdos who hate Trump

0 people in Trump's campaign staff shown to have illegally conspired with Russia to win the election.

Which is the crazier conspiracy?
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ChainedRedone posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

Blbmbr666 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

So in the same way immigration can't stop Islamic extremists, but could reduce their numbers, couldn't stricter gun laws reduce incidents of mass murder?

I just wanna point out that your comparison is flawed. Immigration changes would stop the perpetrators of violence, a gun law would only make a tool harder to acquire instead of stopping the perpetrators.

Depends on how you look at it.
My point is reduction through increased difficulty. In that way, it's an apt comparison.

A psycho who wants to kill people and can't get a gun will use other things instead, like a truck or a pressure cooker bomb.

You mean the pressure cooker bombs that killed 3 people in Boston? Yeah those things sure are as deadly as guns that kill dozens in minutes.

The majority of mass shootings have fewer than 5 deaths.
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LordRazziel posted...

Blbmbr666 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

So in the same way immigration can't stop Islamic extremists, but could reduce their numbers, couldn't stricter gun laws reduce incidents of mass murder?

I just wanna point out that your comparison is flawed. Immigration changes would stop the perpetrators of violence, a gun law would only make a tool harder to acquire instead of stopping the perpetrators.

Depends on how you look at it.
My point is reduction through increased difficulty. In that way, it's an apt comparison.

A psycho who wants to kill people and can't get a gun will use other things instead, like a truck or a pressure cooker bomb.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

You realize this means nothing without sources right

This entire discussion hinges on the notion that a gun ban will have a causal correlation with less gun homicide. Show me a source on that first.
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SomeonesAlt posted...

Those agents also talked s*** about Clinton and many other things. But your partisan shill confirmation biased tunnel vision lets you ignore that

Are they involved in an investigation about Clinton?

Sephiroth1288 posted...

And they didn't merely dislike the president. They said they wanted to form a "secret society" for the purpose of ousting him, after admitting how they didn't think there was going to be anything found in the investigation. That goes beyond dislike and right into full-on derangement.

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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

So were getting into crackpot conspiracy theories now?

Amount of agents in the Trump investigation found to be hostile to Trump: 2
Amount of Trump campaign staff found to be illegally colluding with Russia: 0

Who's the one engaging in a crackpot theory here?

And they didn't merely dislike the president. They said they wanted to form a "secret society" for the purpose of ousting him, after admitting how they didn't think there was going to be anything found in the investigation. That goes beyond dislike and right into full-on derangement.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

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Blbmbr666 posted...

It's probably going to take multiple changes in a few different areas to actually 'fix' this issue.

I'm personally of the belief that mental health is a larger cause than the guns themselves, but it's much easier to start with a very simple licensing test for rifles than to overhaul mental health industries.

Or we can be more aggressive about getting help to people with mental illnesses in general, before they maneuver a way to kill people with an improvised explosive and the like.

I agree. However, me agreeing to a licensing test works both as a simple solution to start with, and if it doesn't work, proof that the firearms themselves aren't the issue.

Well, there's already proof that firearms aren't the issue. Firearm sales have been going up for decades and in that same timeframe homicides have been plummeting.

Licensing for firearms creates several issues of precedent. If the 2nd Amendment is ruled to be subject to licensing, then every other right we have can then also be subject to license. That includes the right to free expression, the right to vote, the right against searches and seizures...

Suffice to say, it would take us down a dark road.
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Blbmbr666 posted...

It's probably going to take multiple changes in a few different areas to actually 'fix' this issue.

I'm personally of the belief that mental health is a larger cause than the guns themselves, but it's much easier to start with a very simple licensing test for rifles than to overhaul mental health industries.

Or we can be more aggressive about getting help to people with mental illnesses in general, before they maneuver a way to kill people with an improvised explosive and the like.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

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To me, the fact that the investigation hasnt been halted yet suggests that theres more to it than we know

Actually it means that they haven't found anything conclusive yet. There's no limit to how long an investigation can be open for, nor is there any reason to continue an investigation that already has conclusive evidence. The longer an investigation takes, the more likely it is that they're coming up with nothing.

If you say so. I dont necessarily believe they have anything damning on Trump yet - but at the same time, if they hadnt developed any substantial leads after a full year, I believe they would have already closed the investigation by now.

Or the investigation is full of people hostile to Trump and just want to continue the investigation to hurt his chances in 2020.

They already had to let go two of their agents for that reason, and only because their personal texts were made public. Who knows how many more of them are the same way?
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ChainedRedone posted...

I already disproved that. They were not rare. It's like I'm talking to a wall here.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

5) The trend in Australia's homicide rate did not decline at any faster rate than it was already declining before their ban.

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ChainedRedone posted...

We could also be vigilant about enforcing reasonable gun control laws. *Gasp*

Most proposed gun control laws aren't reasonable though.

That's why the Obama administration never made any Federal gun control laws. Not even Democrats could come up with something they thought was feasible.
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ChainedRedone posted...

The University of Sydney, in a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found Australia hadn't experienced a fatal mass shooting one in which five or more people are killed since the 1996 shooting. In the 18 years prior, 1979-1996, there were 13 fatal mass shootings in Australia.

ChainedRedone posted...

2) Mass shootings in Australia were already rare before their "ban" so having few mass shootings afterward is statistically negligible.

The bolded part is why it's statistically negligible. Try to keep up.

Also,

Sephiroth1288 posted...

5) The trend in Australia's homicide rate did not decline at any faster rate than it was already declining before their ban.

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LordRazziel posted...

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Ok let's talk about it. Tougher immigration laws would indeed prevent Islamic extremists from entering the country. What new law would have prevented this shooting?

They couldnt just come in illegally?

Sure, which is why we also need to be vigilant about deporting illegal immigrants when they're apprehended.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Any ban on semiautomatic rifles likely would have. Australia had multiple mass shooting involving semiautl rifles and once they were banned, they stopped completely.

1) Australia's "ban" didn't remove the guns. 2/3 of the guns are still in the hands of their owners.
2) Mass shootings in Australia were already rare before their "ban" so having few mass shootings afterward is statistically negligible.
3) After Australia's gun ban, their homicide rate declined at a slower rate than the US' did after that period.
5) The trend in Australia's homicide rate did not decline at any faster rate than it was already declining before their ban.
6) Even if the US did go directly against the Constitution and implement a buyback program like Australia's, not only would Americans be way less likely to turn theirs in than Australians, but there's such an enormous supply of guns in private hands already that it would only create a black market of firearms unregulated by the ATF.
7) Rifles are used in less than 1% of gun homicides, and the worst school shooting in history was committed with handguns. Banning rifles is nonsensical from a statistical point of view and there's no reason whatsoever to believe it would stop mass shootings.
8) There has never been a causal connection made between gun bans and lower gun homicides.

Any other ideas?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

The FBI has a finite amount of resources. When they fail to apprehend a kid who was threatening teachers with violence and had the police called on him 39 separate times, that's probably an indication that they have misappropriated their personnel.

It's pathetic how much of a partisan hack you are

Sephiroth1288 posted...

You don't think its kind of bad that they failed to get this kid who could not possibly have given off more red flags?

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Ok let's talk about it. Tougher immigration laws would indeed prevent Islamic extremists from entering the country. What new law would have prevented this shooting?
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

To me, the fact that the investigation hasnt been halted yet suggests that theres more to it than we know

Actually it means that they haven't found anything conclusive yet. There's no limit to how long an investigation can be open for, nor is there any reason to continue an investigation that already has conclusive evidence. The longer an investigation takes, the more likely it is that they're coming up with nothing.
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prince_leo posted...

that doesn't prove or disprove that trump colluded, it just means they were trying to get trump elected

Claims that are made without proof can be dismissed without proof. To date there has been no proof revealed that proves Trump illegally colluded with Russia. So until such a thing happens, let's stop pretending like something is there.

Kombucha posted...

looking at his most recent tweets, i'm starting to think trump took up drinking.

His most recent tweets are largely about the Florida shooting...
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

As the investigation progresses and Trump becomes increasingly desperate

Yeah dude he's totally going to be brought down by the allegations that Russia paid some trolls to shitpost.

Oh and

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-

also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

(combine the url)
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SomeonesAlt posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

The FBI has a finite amount of resources. When they fail to apprehend a kid who was threatening teachers with violence and had the police called on him 39 separate times, that's probably an indication that they have misappropriated their personnel.

It's pathetic how much of a partisan hack you are

You don't think its kind of bad that they failed to get this kid who could not possibly have given off more red flags?
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

The FBI has a finite amount of resources. When they fail to apprehend a kid who was threatening teachers with violence and had the police called on him 39 separate times, that's probably an indication that they have misappropriated their personnel.

Sure, but Russian probe should not be less staffed than it is.

Given how the only indictments they've actually made regarding the Russia conspiracy are a handful of dudes who just trolled on social media, the staff in the Russia probe clearly don't have enough to do.
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ilovuuu posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

The FBI has a finite amount of resources. When they fail to apprehend a kid who was threatening teachers with violence and had the police called on him 39 separate times, that's probably an indication that they have misappropriated their personnel.

shut up

No :P
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The FBI has a finite amount of resources. When they fail to apprehend a kid who was threatening teachers with violence and had the police called on him 39 separate times, that's probably an indication that they have misappropriated their personnel.
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When we make contact with intelligent alien life. Then we will turn our bigotry towards them.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/02/14/cox-farms-virginia-resist-white-supremacy/

Antifar made a topic about that article, then CEs resident "totally-not-racist-but..." posters started acting like how you'd expect.

Your encyclopedic memory of topics from days ago is outmatched only by your ability to skew what was actually said within them.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

You've also started hyper ventilating because a sign said nothing more than oppose white supremacy.

When they're in reference to someone who is demonstratively not a white supremacist, yeah.
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Pretty sure it was Kanye
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

More like:

person: says something empirically true
other person: stop being racist
person: wait I didn't say anything raci-
other person: STOP BEING RACIST

Like when people start talking shit about white supremacists and you start hyper ventilating.

Everyone is a white supremacist according to the left.

A rally about freedom of speech headed by an Indian politician flanked by signs that said "Black Lives Do Matter" was called a white supremacist event.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/demonstration-race-free-speech-boston-charlottesville.html



^ The """racist""" event.

Find me one racist thing the man says. One. Do it.
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More like:

person: says something empirically true
other person: hey, don't be racist
person: wait I didn't say anything raci-
other person: STOP BEING RACIST
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