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ilovuuu posted...

The article cited was WSJ. Is WSJ really leftist now?

Sephiroth1288 posted...

any cursory investigation into the event revealed that it wasn't a white-supremacist rally

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ilovuuu posted...

Except you praised it even before that,

Probably because any cursory investigation into the event revealed that it wasn't a white-supremacist rally. The only way you could come to your conclusion is if you only listen to leftist news outlets.
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So if I made a shitpost about one of the candidates in a French election could the take me to France to face trial?

If you created fake stories about them, posed as a French citizen, or tried organizing events in France, then yeah possibly

Uh, no, actually you wouldn't.
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Antifar posted...

We are talking about shitposting on Instagram, tho

Shitposting on CNN is a lot more effective than shitposting on insta.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't get upset at any instances of police brutality. They get upset at victims and their families while waving around confederate flags. If all lives matter, then when? Cause that group doesn't seem to care about lives at all.

Actually I think the life they think matters in those cases are the police officers who did nothing wrong.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

If ALM actually do matter then why are they silent in every single instance of police brutality except for when cops shoot at black people,

Oh okay, so not getting upset at all cases of police brutality means you do not believe that all lives matter. Okay.

Does that therefore mean that BLM does not think all lives matter since they specifically only care about police brutality when it happens to a black person?
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Doom_Art posted...

what is it with alt-right folks and deliberately ignoring context or downplaying things

That's literally what they did though. They shitposted on social media. That is literally all the 13 guys are charged with. I have not displayed their actions whatsoever; their "interference" genuinely is that mundane.

Doom_Art posted...

Depends

Did they create and distribute fake news or organize events in the US?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4916904/Sadiq-Khan-compares-Donald-Trump-s-language-ISIS.html
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A_Good_Boy posted...

White people march alongside everyone else at BLM rallies. ALM rallies have people waving around confederate flags and they protest the NAACP. If ALM really do matter then why do they dislike black people so much?

I wasn't aware that ALM was an actual cohesive group. Not sure what that has to do with the phrase

Hey, isn't the usual line of defense when a BLM spokesman does something insane like threatening to kill all white people to say that BLM isn't a centralized organization and no one officially represents it? So why are you saying the same of All Lives Matter because people once shouted it at the NAACP?
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"All lives matter" includes black lives, so why does BLM get so upset when people say it?
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Because social justice advocates for a lot of dumb things.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

it's illegal to do it if you're not american

No I'm pretty sure it's not illegal for a foreigner to go on social media and express that they like/hate a candidate

If it were, JK Rowling would be behind bars right now

that's not the same as an organized, concerted effort to sway public opinion in the interest of the kremlin

An organized concerted effort...to shitpost on Instagram. Huh.

Half of the UK's politicians also spoke out against Trump during the election, was that illegal?
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

It's literally all they have, so they need to catastrophize the crap out of it to avoid looking like complete fools once the public catches on that there's nothing there.

who is "they"

The people heading and covering for the investigation of the Russia conspiracy.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

it's illegal to do it if you're not american

No I'm pretty sure it's not illegal for a foreigner to go on social media and express that they like/hate a candidate

If it were, JK Rowling would be behind bars right now
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He's called Dr. Doom.

-Leader of a prosperous country
-Super suit made of magical metal
-A mega genius
-Occasionally evil
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It's literally all they have, so they need to catastrophize the crap out of it to avoid looking like complete fools once the public catches on that there's nothing there.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

You all need to get off the slippery slope fallacies.

I've supported legislation on background checks that weren't passed because fearmongering.

I'll continue to support good legislation on gun control.

Everything else about this topic is laughable. You all are shook.

Zeeak4444 posted...

To clarify as well, the support has been on upholding the tradition of prohibiting the carrying of unusually or dangerous weapons, which an AR can and should fall under.

What makes an AR an unusually dangerous weapon, @Zeeak4444

creativerealms posted...

You never met a progressive in your life and only make them up in your head.

I was paraphrasing an Eisenhower quote...........do you think Eusenhower never met any progressives?
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Liberals want to live in a police state.

Ah, so liberals are anti-police and for a police state. Yes, that makes complete sense.

Makes about as much sense as the rest of the crap they endorse.

Liberals: "The police are a bunch of raping murderous thugs out to KILL!"
Also liberals: "You don't need a gun, you can just call the police."

Liberals: "Pay for my healthcare!"
Also liberals: "Keep your laws off my body!"
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Ruvan22 posted...

Ahh thanks (thought I'm not sure how well Pittsburg extrapolates to the rest of the country. So wouldn't background checks and mental health screenings (the topic in this thread) cut down on suicides by gun?

Not nearly as much as better mental health programs would, I'd wager.
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Sayoria posted...

Introducing the dictator checklist.

It's actually pretty telling that Maher's list is entirely comprised of meaningless aesthetic parallels rather than similarities based on actual concrete policies. Further he's just being dishonest; dictators don't criticize the media, they imprison the media.

In terms of policy, Obama was way more of a dictator than Trump is.
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Doom_Art posted...

Lol what did Mal get suspended over

For pointing out that the FBI failed to do their job in this case and that grief doesn't make your opinions on a subject more valid than anyone else's.

Are you talking about where you pointed out how infrequent school shootings are and blamed FBI inaction on the Trump investigation?

No, those (factually accurate) posts are all still up.
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Doom_Art posted...

Lol what did Mal get suspended over

For pointing out that the FBI failed to do their job in this case and that grief doesn't make your opinions on a subject more valid than anyone else's.
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MuayThai85 posted...

A lot of gun fatalities are self-inflicted/accidental discharge. Your constitutional right literally leads to the death of children on a regular basis because some uneducated jackass couldn't be bothered to lock up his loaded gun and the kid manages to shoot themselves or someone else.

Are you aware that what you're describing is already illegal?
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Ruvan22 posted...

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Sativa_Rose posted...

I posted this elsewhere but I will post it here too

I think that there should be a "gun license" necessary to purchase firearms that would require both training and extensive background checks. It should also be only 21+, like the current law for handguns, rather than having rifles at 18+. This shooter should not have qualified.

Question: if we're going to make it a requirement to obtain a license and tests in order to exercise your Constitutional right to bear arms, would you support a requirement to get a license and take a test in order to exercise your Constitutional right to vote?

Tbh, yes. But at the same time they aren't comparable. Only one of those Constitutional rights leads to tens of thousands of deaths per year.

Actually the vast majority of gun homicides are committed with illegal guns and are drug-related. So no not really.

Do you have a source for that? (The vast majority of gun homicides being from illegal guns) Last stats I read said suicide from legally owned guns were..

Firstly, suicides aren't homicides. Secondly, yes I do have a source:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/


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MuayThai85 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

I posted this elsewhere but I will post it here too

I think that there should be a "gun license" necessary to purchase firearms that would require both training and extensive background checks. It should also be only 21+, like the current law for handguns, rather than having rifles at 18+. This shooter should not have qualified.

Question: if we're going to make it a requirement to obtain a license and tests in order to exercise your Constitutional right to bear arms, would you support a requirement to get a license and take a test in order to exercise your Constitutional right to vote?

Tbh, yes. But at the same time they aren't comparable. Only one of those Constitutional rights leads to tens of thousands of deaths per year.

Actually the vast majority of gun homicides are committed with illegal guns and are drug-related. So no not really.
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Thrillwell posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

Would smash

she's not 18
says her age right on link
but a CEmen still gonna do what a CEmen gonna do

The video is from a year ago, sooooooooo
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L0Z posted...

4 of our 5 gold medals are in snowboarding actally

Still more of a sport than curling.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

I posted this elsewhere but I will post it here too

I think that there should be a "gun license" necessary to purchase firearms that would require both training and extensive background checks. It should also be only 21+, like the current law for handguns, rather than having rifles at 18+. This shooter should not have qualified.

Question: if we're going to make it a requirement to obtain a license and tests in order to exercise your Constitutional right to bear arms, would you support a requirement to get a license and take a test in order to exercise your Constitutional right to vote?
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Michael Phelps needs to learn a winter sport ffs
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@Zeeak4444 posted...

For some reason you're presuming that I only think ARs are a problem. That's another mistake on your part, I simply gave one example to support my argument on the second amendment.

So you want all semi-automatic rifles banned then? Because that's all an AR is.
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BotW has stealth mechanics...you can sneak up on enemies all the time
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MuayThai85 posted...

Apparently, a background check and psych evaluation are the same things now. I almost guarantee that he would have been deemed unfit to own a gun with a psych evaluation and thorough background check.

You know what would have made him fail the background check? If the FBI did their jobs and investigated this kid who had the police called on him 39 separate times for psychotic behavior.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

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He'd have failed his psych evaluation at the very least

He passed the background check when he bought his gun...

That background check just checks his info against databases of felons and people who have been adjudicated mentally ill or something.

Yeah, how else would you determine if someone were mentally ill

Have a psychologist on staff to give several hour-long sessions to everyone who wants to buy a gun?
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sobergermanguy posted...

It would cut into the profits of arms manufacturers. Can't have that. Smith and Wesson run this country, they're like the illuminati

Yeah dude, look at all that influence S&W has...
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MuayThai85 posted...

He'd have failed his psych evaluation at the very least

He passed the background check when he bought his gun...
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Hexenherz posted...

psychological operations

That's a funny way to describe "trolling"....
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Do you believe that Russians interfered in the 2016 election?

In the most benign and ineffective way possible, sure.

Let's just stop pretending that Pepe memes are what swung the vote in Trump's favor though, k?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so you're basically redefining a term to suit your own needs.

Last I checked "meddling" was not legal terminology.
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DevsBro posted...

"Ugh why do we have to drive on the right side of the road maybe I wanna drive on the left side

I don't think you know what a libertarian is.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

so why do you continue to insist there was "no meddling" despite the indictments that came out today that confirm exactly that?

Because I don't consider trolling on Facebook to be "meddling" in any meaningful way.
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Hexenherz posted...

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Antifar posted...

Yes, but not on a scale deserving of the attention it has received

a foreign power, especially one as adversarial as Russia, meddling in our democracy isn't alarming to you? i think our government needs to respond in a strong way to indicate that shit will not stand.

I wouldn't call some 4chan meme bots a foreign power.

I don't understand what drives you to close your eyes to clear, demonstrable evidence that the Russian government operates in this manner on a daily basis around the world. I don't understand this logic.

If a handful of trolls on Facebook were actually sufficient to cause Trump to stomp Hillary in the election, chances are she would have lost without the trolls too.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

hair splitting aside, they conducted cyber attacks in an effort to manipulate the outcome of the election.

so why do you continue to insist there was "no meddling" despite the indictments that came out today that confirm exactly that?

This is precisely why government officials aren't allowed to conduct their business on private servers. Precisely why. Getting access into a person's private email server is a crime, but it's not to be construed with hacking the election.

Hillary and all the DNC idiots who knew about it are to blame for the hack. All the hackers did was reveal the DNC's dirty laundry and the fact that people care more about their side losing than how the party they support is a cesspool of corrupt bottomfeeders is legitimately terrifying.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

you're deflecting. is that because you can't answer?

Why should I feel bad about the emails getting stolen when the DNC are the ones who mishandled their information in the first place.

No one actually "hacked" the server by the way, Podesta fell for a phishing scam and unwittingly gave the password away. The "Russians" are guilty of stealing the emails in the same way a guy finding a wad of cash someone carelessly dropped was stealing.
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Balrog0 posted...

we don't know, actually, since it is possible (and from what I've read, probable) that he would have been cleared regardless due to him not having done anything illegal

The guy wasn't allowed to have a backpack at his own school because he had a history of threatening people

Threats of violence last I checked are a crime.

philsov posted...

Or, more funding for the FBI so they're capable as an organization to deal with these reports along with more publicly available mental health support personnel/medication.

Right, but in all cases where law enforcement are actually given the ability to do their jobs better Democrats get upset about it. Look up Project Exile.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Please stop feeding Mal

But...I need your hatred in order to get stronger
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So the guy wasn't stopped due to a failure of the law being implemented correctly...so the solution is to make more laws that can also be implemented incorrectly.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

they also orchestrated the hack of the DNC

The DNC? You must be mistaken, they hacked into a person's private email server not connected to the government in any way. How could that be construed as meddling int he election?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i can't see how you're not alarmed by a foreign adversary doing this --- oh right because it benefited your side.

I can't see how you're not alarmed by all the unbelievably shady shit revealed in those emails that "your side" was up to!
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

for even attempting to interfere. i dont get why you're defending Russia here.

Because trolling on Facebook can't possibly be construed as "interference" except by hysterical anti-Trump people.

You know the DNC actually pays people to troll online, right? In exactly the way Russia supposedly did? Look up "Correct The Record". But wait I guess it's ok when a US political party attempts to "interfere" with the election, huh?
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

Antifar posted...

Yes, but not on a scale deserving of the attention it has received

a foreign power, especially one as adversarial as Russia, meddling in our democracy isn't alarming to you? i think our government needs to respond in a strong way to indicate that shit will not stand.

For doing what, making sock accounts on Facebook that copypastad Trump memes?

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the question wasn't about whether Trump or his staff colluded,

That's....what the whole investigation is supposed to be about
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I call him a chicken-wuss.
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#Nothingburger
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