Lurker > Mackorov

shockthemonkey posted...

Dont forget that he said that Nazis arent villians

there's no 'villian' in this world. All humans are villians. Just depends whether they're aware of it or not

lzual posted...

Just taking a step back and concentrating on the topic of is it right to punish old people for crimes they committed in the past...

Do you feel there should be some sort of statute of limitations for when someone can be tried for a crime they committed?

Personally I don't. To me it's very important to ensure someone who breaks the law in a major way is tried no matter how long has passed since the crime. If not for punishing the person then at least for setting the standard that if you do bad you WILL be tried.

There's been legal cases where people are let off due to old age. Also tons of legal loopholes have allowed lots of worse injustice to prevail in this world.

So given the finite resources we have to expend on the legal system, why even bother with trying an old woman Nazi for?

But from a realistic standpoint, yeah I see it's expected. Criminals can only face persecution in the area/town/country they live in. If it's somewhere like Japan...sure, you can say they just got it lucky

shockthemonkey posted...

Maybe one day youll make a post decrying other atrocities without telling on yourself by saying you dont think the Nazis are that bad

I never said the Nazis aren't bad. Point where I ever said that? I just say if you want to decry the Nazis, maybe start by decrying the many other atrocities committed by other nations that most people aren't even aware about.

You'd be doing the world a favour

ScazarMeltex posted...

No, I will not give her a break. She got to live a long life. Fuck her. Stop pretending most of us don't know anything about the shit you are talking about, I know all about Unit 731, it was bullshit that they got away with it. They deserve bullets to the back of the head as well. The difference between the Germans and the Japanese is that the Germans take dealing with their past seriously. The Japanese want to pretend it didn't happen.

I think for equivalence, if we're gonna let all the Japanese and Russian veterans get away with the s*** they did (even some Americans and British but their atrocities were more rare/mild in general), then it makes no sense to only keep targeting the Germans, no??

TheOtherMike posted...

Dude, seek help.

no dude. go read a history book.

RebelElite791 posted...

Mackorov made a topic like a week ago downplaying the Holocaust too

no, I'm just sick of ignorant people who are completely unaware of the many other crimes happening throughout the 1900s, heck.. even WW2.

go look at what the Japanese did from Burma death railway, the death march, the sookching massacre, the nanking rape, Unit 731, their general treatment of POWs, their ways of torture (go see the water torture if you can handle it) and cannibalism etc.

go look at what the Soviets did to Germans especially following the invasion of Berlin. the sheer amount of rapes is indescribable. Yes, the Germans kinda deserved it then but a crime is a crime.

If you guys actually study history, you'd realize how small of a fraction WW2 is compared to what was going else throughout the decades in the 1900s. Genocides were very common actually.

The irony of it is how the statement 'the victors write history' rings so true. US, Britain and Russia ganged up to paint a propaganda effort of only the Nazis being the baddies. Pop culture throughout the 1900s further reinforced this by continually portraying WW2 and only WW2 in this limelight of good vs evil in movies, TV shows, books, superhero comics etc..

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yes those things happened. None of it is relevant to this specific woman or this specific case.

yes it is. I get that woman is culpable, but the crime was literally almost a freaking century ago. Give her a break. But hey, apparently the minute CE hears Nazi they think 'evil'. The world has only been taught as Nazis as evil villians.

Most of the general public go completely unaware that this is so damn far from the truth. There's like 99% of the other atrocities throughout the history of the 20th century that have gone completely unpunished if you didnt realize. For closest comparison, go look at Japan. Literally all their bats*** crazy soldiers that went around raping, beheading, cannibalising and massacring little kids just got sent back home and lived peaceful lives till old age.

In fact there's this interviewer that went to ask these veterans if they even regret what they did. Some of that did NOT. That's how f***ed up it is. Or go search the Unit 731. The amount of horrifying s*** there will make you think the Holocaust is lalaland.

And guess what? The Americans gave all those crazy Japanese scientists the free pass. No punishment. NOTHING.

Meanwhile here... "hey, let's hunt down an old 95-year old woman 'cos Nazi bad bad bad..."

can you look at this cat

Unless you die in some weird/interesting way and the media publishes about it. Then you get to live on as a legacy.

So why wait and die of old age? When you know you're dying soon, go do some stupid stunt and live on, immortalised in publicity

switch the gender roles around and media will go crazy

UnfairRepresent posted...

He also was against animal cruelty.

Bizarre man

probably because he realised who were the truly cruel species in this world, eh?

Error1355 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Recreation_Area

I've never heard of this. Wild.

I find it funny and yet sad and so unfair you only get remembrance when you stand out as the only victims of an atrocity.

Meanwhile the millions of innocent civilians that perished by normal successful bomb attacks? no one cares .Each casualty just a blimp on the radar

I always wondered on this but have arrived on this theory.

It's because the internet (at least on active communities) is mostly dominated by introverts and introverts are more likely to own a cat and therefore, cats are the ones dominating the internet's interest.

any other perspectives?

Mackorov posted...

Uhhh have you forgotten about the whole shifting of US embassy to Jerusalem thing???

this alone was what shifted a large number of Christians to support Trump

Uhhh have you forgotten about the whole shifting of US embassy to Jerusalem thing???

Have you not heard of Just Cause 3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz44riReCog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfJcnU-NRF4

anyway I came up with this topic idea after visiting the Buzzfeed website. Their articles, their topics, the kind of agenda they push... it all seriously inundates 'extreme liberalism' to me

lol wtf. I created this random topic, came back 1 day later to see it has burst into this.

well, I'm not gonna bother reading through

Dathrowed1 posted...

It deserves credit; not to be washed away

that's like saying Fairy Tail is the best thing ever just because Natus didn't scream 'friendship' for one of his latest fights

Dathrowed1 posted...

I gave one example where it isnt played straight

bruh how big of a DB fanboy do you gotta be to think DB is the least shouen-trope shounen ever

totalnerdken posted...

Remember that one scene, where that guy did the thing. Yeah, it relies on Shonen tropes.

HxH does rely on tropes...but to hardly an extent compared to any other shounen.

If you examine most HxH arcs, there's no clear hero vs villian or 'I must defeat this baddie' aim goal. The story instead follows ambiguous character motives, like in YorkNew arc the Phantom Trope are meant to be evil yet readers follow from their perspective and see them more as somewhat relatable people against Kurapika

Dathrowed1 posted...

Watch the battle of Vegeta and say that again

yea, one story arc means the whole DB isn't suddenly full of asspulls, repetition and overused plot machinimas done to death even as Toriyama continues writing more of it.

pinky0926 posted...

My point is, Saitama is the antithesis to a shonen protagonist. He doesn't work hard, he's not a genius or a hothead or has a harem. He's not popular or handsome. To most people he's entire forgettable. He doesn't win fights through the power of friendship or resolve. There was no hyperbolic time chamber or gruelling training program with a risk of death or a powerful family tree that explains his innate strength. There's never any question that he will win.

I'm not sure what you mean by powerups either, becuase he doesn't get any and the only good guy who does rely on powerups (Zero) is the world's biggest loser. Like he hasn't won a single fight in the entire plot and none of his powerups have improved his winning odds, which is the other gag.

But it's a gag manga dude. Like, it wasn't intended to be a masterwork or anything. It's popularity just ran away with itself and people expect a little too much now. The gag is literally centered around there not being any tension. The artist you're referring to isn't the original author either. The original artist actually really fucking sucks.

of course I know who the real artist is. That's why I say 'ARTIST' not author. The original author of OPM is in my opinion, just lame trash. Yes, he scored the brownie point by coming up with a gag premise. But the webtoon ran too long with this stupid premise, I'm pretty sure ONE realised eventually he was just slowly making the story yet another atypical shounen, minus the tension because Saitama. The story has fallen into the atypical shounen pattern mill of predictability.

That's why he hardly updates OPM anymore. I believe it's mainly because he cant think up of any more s****tier next big boss storyline that isn't yet another 100+ chapters span only for Saitama to one punch big boss anymore.

Dathrowed1 posted...

Dragonball outside of the movies.

is this what trolling looks like

pinky0926 posted...

One Punch Man is an obvious answer. Although I suppose it does rely on shonen tropes in a way, since it makes fun of them.

OPM is literally the vein of every shouen trope bruh. The story mostly centres around the superheroes trying to fight big villians and new villians and powerups are continuously introduced. Pretty much yeah?

The only difference is you also have Saitama coming in the last minute to end the fights in an anti-climatic way and also gives zero effort for the author to bother coming up with any intellectual storyline whatsoever or even a more reasonable plot device to advance the plot or to let other characters win.

It's literally the worst form of writing ever. Only thing holding the manga together is the artist and an original premise (now getting way too stale at this juncture)

and how does it look like

YookaLaylee posted...

Code Geass

yeah true. code geass and death note are rather similiar but also in same vein. Hard to call DN a shounen though it's classified as one

FL81 posted...

HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them

It does, but not as often. And it's crazy how Togashi varies his plot arcs so much, there's almost no repetition. Gon doesn't even defeat most of the villians, save Greed Island and a sidekick in Chimera Ant arc. The rest of the arcs aren't even hero vs villian plot lines where character agendas mix moralities up. In fact Gon gets replaced by another main character later on. I cant think of any author as gutsy to do that

That's what I love about HxH. There's so much strategy, ironic realism in it and no shortage of unpredictable variety in stories and characters.

I wont count AoT since that one is seinen

lame stuff like the good guy always winning, or winning by getting a new power-up or by screaming 'friendship' ten times in a row...

I hardly know of any other anime/manga that dont follow this lame predictable plot threads

UnholyMudcrab posted...

This is a troll topic. TC doesn't know anything about it either

come on, come on... I'd love to discuss Myanmar with you :)

Hexenherz posted...

Nobody's talking about it because it's Myanmar. I know it has a rich culture and history but in the grand scheme of things I don't recall it ever being a major geopolitical player.

it's an important issue because it shows how democracy can fail even after succeeding. It also shows where Aung San Suu Kyi went wrong in many ways. She failed to solidify her power after the previous (i mean, previous previous) elections by decentralising or at least, trying to reduce the authority of the military's chain of command.

Myanmar also serves as a perfect example of a military junta and a coup. A military in any country can pose immense danger to a civilian government if not properly controlled

Ushiromiya posted...

Do you want to have any actual discussion about it, TC?

I mean... look at CE. Do they look capable of having a discussion about it?

'cos it aint in America it aint any of my business

LivingLegend posted...

My smart phone literally has a button that I can push and then just speak to my phone and have it put my words into text I can talk way faster than you can type.

must be nice talking to your phone all the time in public like that

And I just typed that message to you in 10 seconds. It'd probably take you 60 seconds to type that same message on a phone...

Alteres posted...

Who wants to wake up on a Sunday morning to go sit at a desk?

I do that enough during the week, a nice lazy morning in bed is pleasant. Plus, that was an hour and a half ago.

say you're going to be staying at home the whole day. How in the world do you lie on the bed the whole day like that? jeez, it's not only unhealthy but also makes it easy for you to fall asleep anytime.

Also if you work in any office job, you'll be sitting at a desk computer most of the day anyway

yknow, I actually made this topic title initially thinking it'd sound like a troll topic since it should make sense using a computer at home would be normal.

well, boy was I wrong. Apparently it's not normal at all. At least not anymore.

The Trent posted...

i'm like 10000x more effective on the computer because of typing speed

exactly this. Computers are far better in every way than mobile apart from comfortability (which is also subjective... I dont find it ergonomic to lie on my bed the whole day with a phone?).

faster typing speeed, faster browsing and navigation, easier multi-tasking, gaming and being required to use computer for work anyway...etc

Alteres posted...

Laying in bed reading shitposts on a Sunday morning is much less comfortable with a laptop on your chest.

So phone it is.

I mean...dude, don't you people have yknow... a freaking table at home??

seems like everyone just uses phone these days. What happened to the time when computers were still a thing?

I still browse this site on a PC. But it seems 90% of people I know do it on a phone instead. Computers are like non-existent in their homes

https://i0.wp.com/www.swimmersdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/underwater-hockey-to-make-waves.jpg?fit=1280%2C720&ssl=1

yes, it exists

it's good. Very good.

Literally the only manga ever I've known actually written by an author with freaking brains.

He doesnt care about pretty art/animation. He just goes all in by pulling ff the most creative storylines ever and disregarding most shoune tropes

2Pacavelli posted...

People know Stalin killed a lot of people bit they don't know the name behind it is Holodomor

I think the name has a huge impact to recognition. Knowing Stalin killed people is not the same as knowing Stalin did a genocide so drastic it has a name to it.

BignutzisBack posted...

Plenty of people know about stalin, but I definitely didn't realize it had a nefarious name behind it

Did you also know the Soviets were allied with the Nazis in the beginning? Stalin only changed sides after Hitler got greedy and decided to invade da motherland

CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Pretty sure people do know of the holodomor

go ask people on the streets and your friends.

tell me about it.

some people dont even know who Hitler is. they only are familiar with the name. wtf.
at this point, forget Stalin.

by the Soviet Union?

also pretty ironic the Soviet Union, killer of millions of Ukrainians, are somehow the ones that liberated another genocide camp this time by the Nazis.

Also interesting to note is that the idea of Holocaust was actually because Hitler was inspired by Stalin's Holodomor.

that makes no sense at all. We see new day 1 exclusive content eventually becoming DLCs you can buy anytime like several months later or repackaged into the GOTY edition

TommyG663513 posted...

I would prefer that my son doesn't date a lesbian, because that wouldn't make sense

why not. free threesome