manga that dont rely on shounen tropes?

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Mackorov 02/02/21 2:47:01 PM #1:	lame stuff like the good guy always winning, or winning by getting a new power-up or by screaming 'friendship' ten times in a row... I hardly know of any other anime/manga that dont follow this lame predictable plot threads <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950201489] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>lame stuff like the good guy always winning, or winning by getting a new power-up or by screaming 'friendship' ten times in a row... I hardly know of any other anime/manga that dont follow this lame predictable plot threads </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/02/21 2:47:26 PM #2:	I wont count AoT since that one is seinen <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950201504] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>I wont count AoT since that one is seinen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/02/21 2:47:55 PM #3:	Berserk? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950201519] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Berserk? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 02/02/21 2:48:20 PM #5:	Cowboy Bebop? --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:950201539] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Cowboy Bebop? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 02/02/21 2:48:56 PM #6:	Code Geass --- I'm the fly in the ointment, the spanner in the works. I'm unpredictable. I'm the X-Factor. - Jamie Madrox <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:950201559] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Code Geass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 02/02/21 2:49:45 PM #7:	what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:950201585] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
harley2280 02/02/21 3:20:53 PM #8:	DBZ in the sense that it created a lot of the tropes. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.6.0_B3 <cite>harley2280 posted [p:950202595] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>DBZ in the sense that it created a lot of the tropes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mcpwnia 02/02/21 10:45:20 PM #9:	ultimate reaver posted... what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen --- http://i.minus.com/ieu2wE.gif https://imgur.com/gKHH1EP https://imgur.com/gwbShnd <cite>mcpwnia posted [p:950218285] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/02/21 10:47:13 PM #10:	HxH absolutely does that --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:950218366] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>HxH absolutely does that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/02/21 10:49:19 PM #11:	Are these generic shonen the only anime that aren't generic shonen? --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:950218442] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Are these generic shonen the only anime that aren't generic shonen? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 02/02/21 10:49:43 PM #12:	Watch more than 5 anime dude. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:950218459] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Watch more than 5 anime dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 02/02/21 10:56:12 PM #13:	HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v https://imgur.com/N43HJYv <cite>FL81 posted [p:950218691] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 02/02/21 11:04:22 PM #14:	Like almost every horror and crime anime in existence. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:950218970] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Like almost every horror and crime anime in existence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 02/02/21 11:06:09 PM #15:	FL81 posted... HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them this and ultimate reaver posted... what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen this --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:950219035] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them</quote>this and ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>what about all the anime/manga that arent shounen</quote>this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj3vegeta 02/02/21 11:06:10 PM #16:	Irony posted... HxH absolutely does that dis lol --- https://imgur.com/tvKkIcw https://imgur.com/Kywn3Qc https://imgur.com/Cybsdf1 http://h-7.abload.de/img/messi02-rm-ucl3ngb.gif <cite>ssj3vegeta posted [p:950219036] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted...</cite> <quote>HxH absolutely does that </quote> dis lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/02/21 11:06:49 PM #17:	FMA does use the absolute worst anime trope though where a """""funny""""" moment occurs to break up the seriousness (usually involving something shocking or embarrassing) and the character becomes crudely drawn and has an over-the-top reaction --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:950219066] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>FMA does use the absolute worst anime trope though where a """""funny""""" moment occurs to break up the seriousness (usually involving something shocking or embarrassing) and the character becomes crudely drawn and has an over-the-top reaction </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/02/21 11:08:04 PM #18:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... FMA does use the absolute worst anime trope though where something shocking or embarrassing happens and the character becomes crudely drawn and has an over-the-top reaction OPM does the opposite where it's got shit art then gets good art for a single panel joke. --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:950219092] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>FMA does use the absolute worst anime trope though where something shocking or embarrassing happens and the character becomes crudely drawn and has an over-the-top reaction</quote>OPM does the opposite where it's got shit art then gets good art for a single panel joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 02/02/21 11:08:45 PM #19:	Devilman aired in Weekly Shonen Magazine. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:950219115] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Devilman aired in Weekly Shonen Magazine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 02/02/21 11:08:48 PM #20:	Psyren --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:950219120] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Psyren </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorganTJ 02/02/21 11:09:08 PM #21:	Ah yes, Attack on Titan, the seinen that runs in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine. <cite>MorganTJ posted [p:950219134] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Ah yes, Attack on Titan, the seinen that runs in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/02/21 11:11:20 PM #22:	Irony posted... OPM does the opposite where it's got shit art then gets good art for a single panel joke. That's basically the correct way to do it, Spongebob and Prison School (though neither have bad art ordinarily) do the same thing --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:950219219] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite> <quote>OPM does the opposite where it's got shit art then gets good art for a single panel joke.</quote>That's basically the correct way to do it, Spongebob and Prison School (though neither have bad art ordinarily) do the same thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/03/21 2:34:12 AM #23:	FL81 posted... HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them It does, but not as often. And it's crazy how Togashi varies his plot arcs so much, there's almost no repetition. Gon doesn't even defeat most of the villians, save Greed Island and a sidekick in Chimera Ant arc. The rest of the arcs aren't even hero vs villian plot lines where character agendas mix moralities up. In fact Gon gets replaced by another main character later on. I cant think of any author as gutsy to do that That's what I love about HxH. There's so much strategy, ironic realism in it and no shortage of unpredictable variety in stories and characters. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950223780] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>HxH is a darker take on all of the standard shounen tropes, but it absolutely does make use of them</quote> It does, but not as often. And it's crazy how Togashi varies his plot arcs so much, there's almost no repetition. Gon doesn't even defeat most of the villians, save Greed Island and a sidekick in Chimera Ant arc. The rest of the arcs aren't even hero vs villian plot lines where character agendas mix moralities up. In fact Gon gets replaced by another main character later on. I cant think of any author as gutsy to do that That's what I love about HxH. There's so much strategy, ironic realism in it and no shortage of unpredictable variety in stories and characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/03/21 2:35:13 AM #24:	YookaLaylee posted... Code Geass yeah true. code geass and death note are rather similiar but also in same vein. Hard to call DN a shounen though it's classified as one <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950223797] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>YookaLaylee posted... </cite> <quote>Code Geass</quote> yeah true. code geass and death note are rather similiar but also in same vein. Hard to call DN a shounen though it's classified as one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g0ldie 02/03/21 2:40:12 AM #25:	Vinland Saga ...~~at least, at first~~ --- The means of production should belong to the collective unconscious <cite>g0ldie posted [p:950223875] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Vinland Saga ...at least, at first </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 02/03/21 3:00:31 AM #26:	Yu Yu Hakusho <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:950224208] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Yu Yu Hakusho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Juhanor 02/03/21 9:51:00 PM #27:	Mars <cite>Juhanor posted [p:950255226] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Mars</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 02/03/21 9:52:42 PM #28:	HxH is hella shonen. It's just very very good so it gets away with it. --- #FeelTheBern https://imgur.com/q5z4CUu https://imgur.com/6B9oFXh https://imgur.com/sy42Dlf <cite>lilORANG posted [p:950255291] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>HxH is hella shonen. It's just very very good so it gets away with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/03/21 9:54:51 PM #29:	One Punch Man is an obvious answer. Although I suppose it does rely on shonen tropes in a way, since it makes fun of them. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950255361] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>One Punch Man is an obvious answer. Although I suppose it does rely on shonen tropes in a way, since it makes fun of them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MKScorpion 02/03/21 10:56:41 PM #30:	Jujutsu Kaisen --- #BringBackKI <cite>MKScorpion posted [p:950257206] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Jujutsu Kaisen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kami_no_Kami 02/03/21 11:13:50 PM #31:	Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro subverts shounen tropes pretty well. The main character is a demon who thinks of the other characters as his slaves and sadistically mistreats them. He doesnt fight to protect his friends (he doesnt have any) or to fight strong guys. He does things because hes hungry. And, he actually gets weaker as the series progresses, starting out invincible and slowly becoming less powerful due to his body conforming to the logic of the himan world to the point where hes ~~only borderline invincible~~ by the end of the series. TLDR: Hes from WSJ but is the antithesis of their Friendship-Effort-Victory core tennants. Also, FMA is pretty generic. <cite>Kami_no_Kami posted [p:950257661] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro subverts shounen tropes pretty well. The main character is a demon who thinks of the other characters as his slaves and sadistically mistreats them. He doesnt fight to protect his friends (he doesnt have any) or to fight strong guys. He does things because hes hungry. And, he actually gets weaker as the series progresses, starting out invincible and slowly becoming less powerful due to his body conforming to the logic of the himan world to the point where hes only borderline invincible by the end of the series. TLDR: Hes from WSJ but is the antithesis of their Friendship-Effort-Victory core tennants. Also, FMA is pretty generic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/03/21 11:17:00 PM #32:	JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:950257739] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 02/03/21 11:19:27 PM #33:	Dragonball outside of the movies. The battle against Vegeta isn't played straight for instance --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:950257794] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Dragonball outside of the movies. The battle against Vegeta isn't played straight for instance </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 02/03/21 11:52:52 PM #34:	WingsOfGood posted... JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there. Did you watch Part 2? --- I'm the fly in the ointment, the spanner in the works. I'm unpredictable. I'm the X-Factor. - Jamie Madrox <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:950258574] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted...</cite> <quote>JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there. </quote> Did you watch Part 2?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/04/21 12:52:52 AM #35:	pinky0926 posted... One Punch Man is an obvious answer. Although I suppose it does rely on shonen tropes in a way, since it makes fun of them. OPM is literally the vein of every shouen trope bruh. The story mostly centres around the superheroes trying to fight big villians and new villians and powerups are continuously introduced. Pretty much yeah? The only difference is you also have Saitama coming in the last minute to end the fights in an anti-climatic way and also gives zero effort for the author to bother coming up with any intellectual storyline whatsoever or even a more reasonable plot device to advance the plot or to let other characters win. It's literally the worst form of writing ever. Only thing holding the manga together is the artist and an original premise (now getting way too stale at this juncture) <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950259785] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>One Punch Man is an obvious answer. Although I suppose it does rely on shonen tropes in a way, since it makes fun of them.</quote> OPM is literally the vein of every shouen trope bruh. The story mostly centres around the superheroes trying to fight big villians and new villians and powerups are continuously introduced. Pretty much yeah? The only difference is you also have Saitama coming in the last minute to end the fights in an anti-climatic way and also gives zero effort for the author to bother coming up with any intellectual storyline whatsoever or even a more reasonable plot device to advance the plot or to let other characters win. It's literally the worst form of writing ever. Only thing holding the manga together is the artist and an original premise (now getting way too stale at this juncture) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/04/21 12:53:32 AM #36:	Dathrowed1 posted... Dragonball outside of the movies. is this what trolling looks like <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950259789] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Dragonball outside of the movies.</quote> is this what trolling looks like </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 02/04/21 12:55:55 AM #37:	in what world does hxh not rely on shonen tropes? --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:950259832] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>in what world does hxh not rely on shonen tropes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ryuko_Chan 02/04/21 1:30:43 AM #39:	literally hxh does not subvert shonen tropes at all, it just does them so well they dont feel cheesy --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:950260514] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>literally hxh does not subvert shonen tropes at all, it just does them so well they dont feel cheesy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/04/21 4:21:28 AM #40:	Mackorov posted... OPM is literally the vein of every shouen trope bruh. The story mostly centres around the superheroes trying to fight big villians and new villians and powerups are continuously introduced. Pretty much yeah? The only difference is you also have Saitama coming in the last minute to end the fights in an anti-climatic way and also gives zero effort for the author to bother coming up with any intellectual storyline whatsoever or even a more reasonable plot device to advance the plot or to let other characters win. My point is, Saitama is the antithesis to a shonen protagonist. He doesn't work hard, he's not a genius or a hothead or has a harem. He's not popular or handsome. To most people he's entire forgettable. He doesn't win fights through the power of friendship or resolve. There was no hyperbolic time chamber or gruelling training program with a risk of death or a powerful family tree that explains his innate strength. There's never any question that he will win. I'm not sure what you mean by powerups either, becuase he doesn't get any and the only good guy who does rely on powerups (Zero) is the world's biggest loser. Like he hasn't won a single fight in the entire plot and none of his powerups have improved his winning odds, which is the other gag. It's literally the worst form of writing ever. Only thing holding the manga together is the artist and an original premise (now getting way too stale at this juncture) But it's a gag manga dude. Like, it wasn't intended to be a masterwork or anything. It's popularity just ran away with itself and people expect a little too much now. The gag is literally centered around there not being any tension. The artist you're referring to isn't the original author either. The original artist actually really fucking sucks. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950262978] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>OPM is literally the vein of every shouen trope bruh. The story mostly centres around the superheroes trying to fight big villians and new villians and powerups are continuously introduced. Pretty much yeah? The only difference is you also have Saitama coming in the last minute to end the fights in an anti-climatic way and also gives zero effort for the author to bother coming up with any intellectual storyline whatsoever or even a more reasonable plot device to advance the plot or to let other characters win.</quote> My point is, Saitama is the antithesis to a shonen protagonist. He doesn't work hard, he's not a genius or a hothead or has a harem. He's not popular or handsome. To most people he's entire forgettable. He doesn't win fights through the power of friendship or resolve. There was no hyperbolic time chamber or gruelling training program with a risk of death or a powerful family tree that explains his innate strength. There's never any question that he will win. I'm not sure what you mean by powerups either, becuase he doesn't get any and the only good guy who does rely on powerups (Zero) is the world's biggest loser. Like he hasn't won a single fight in the entire plot and none of his powerups have improved his winning odds, which is the other gag. <quote>It's literally the worst form of writing ever. Only thing holding the manga together is the artist and an original premise (now getting way too stale at this juncture)</quote> But it's a gag manga dude. Like, it wasn't intended to be a masterwork or anything. It's popularity just ran away with itself and people expect a little too much now. The gag is literally centered around there not being any tension. The artist you're referring to isn't the original author either. The original artist actually really fucking sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/04/21 4:25:17 AM #41:	WingsOfGood posted... JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there. Basically every final fight is winning with a new power up. It may be the worst with this. --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:950263030] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>JoJo They don't scream about friendship and powerup thing not really there.</quote>Basically every final fight is winning with a new power up. It may be the worst with this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 02/04/21 4:45:16 AM #42:	Mackorov posted... is this what trolling looks like Watch the battle of Vegeta and say that again --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:950263257] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>is this what trolling looks like</quote>Watch the battle of Vegeta and say that again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/04/21 9:07:52 AM #43:	pinky0926 posted... My point is, Saitama is the antithesis to a shonen protagonist. He doesn't work hard, he's not a genius or a hothead or has a harem. He's not popular or handsome. To most people he's entire forgettable. He doesn't win fights through the power of friendship or resolve. There was no hyperbolic time chamber or gruelling training program with a risk of death or a powerful family tree that explains his innate strength. There's never any question that he will win. I'm not sure what you mean by powerups either, becuase he doesn't get any and the only good guy who does rely on powerups (Zero) is the world's biggest loser. Like he hasn't won a single fight in the entire plot and none of his powerups have improved his winning odds, which is the other gag. But it's a gag manga dude. Like, it wasn't intended to be a masterwork or anything. It's popularity just ran away with itself and people expect a little too much now. The gag is literally centered around there not being any tension. The artist you're referring to isn't the original author either. The original artist actually really fucking sucks. of course I know who the real artist is. That's why I say 'ARTIST' not author. The original author of OPM is in my opinion, just lame trash. Yes, he scored the brownie point by coming up with a gag premise. But the webtoon ran too long with this stupid premise, I'm pretty sure ONE realised eventually he was just slowly making the story yet another atypical shounen, minus the tension because Saitama. The story has fallen into the atypical shounen pattern mill of predictability. That's why he hardly updates OPM anymore. I believe it's mainly because he cant think up of any more s**tier next big boss storyline that isn't yet another 100+ chapters span only for Saitama to one punch big boss anymore. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950266971] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>My point is, Saitama is the antithesis to a shonen protagonist. He doesn't work hard, he's not a genius or a hothead or has a harem. He's not popular or handsome. To most people he's entire forgettable. He doesn't win fights through the power of friendship or resolve. There was no hyperbolic time chamber or gruelling training program with a risk of death or a powerful family tree that explains his innate strength. There's never any question that he will win. I'm not sure what you mean by powerups either, becuase he doesn't get any and the only good guy who does rely on powerups (Zero) is the world's biggest loser. Like he hasn't won a single fight in the entire plot and none of his powerups have improved his winning odds, which is the other gag. But it's a gag manga dude. Like, it wasn't intended to be a masterwork or anything. It's popularity just ran away with itself and people expect a little too much now. The gag is literally centered around there not being any tension. The artist you're referring to isn't the original author either. The original artist actually really fucking sucks.</quote> of course I know who the real artist is. That's why I say 'ARTIST' not author. The original author of OPM is in my opinion, just lame trash. Yes, he scored the brownie point by coming up with a gag premise. But the webtoon ran too long with this stupid premise, I'm pretty sure ONE realised eventually he was just slowly making the story yet another atypical shounen, minus the tension because Saitama. The story has fallen into the atypical shounen pattern mill of predictability. That's why he hardly updates OPM anymore. I believe it's mainly because he cant think up of any more s**tier next big boss storyline that isn't yet another 100+ chapters span only for Saitama to one punch big boss anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/04/21 9:09:00 AM #44:	Dathrowed1 posted... Watch the battle of Vegeta and say that again yea, one story arc means the whole DB isn't suddenly full of asspulls, repetition and overused plot machinimas done to death even as Toriyama continues writing more of it. <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950267000] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Watch the battle of Vegeta and say that again</quote> yea, one story arc means the whole DB isn't suddenly full of asspulls, repetition and overused plot machinimas done to death even as Toriyama continues writing more of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mackorov 02/04/21 9:17:26 AM #45:	totalnerdken posted... Remember that one scene, where that guy did the thing. Yeah, it relies on Shonen tropes. HxH does rely on tropes...but to hardly an extent compared to any other shounen. If you examine most HxH arcs, there's no clear hero vs villian or 'I must defeat this baddie' aim goal. The story instead follows ambiguous character motives, like in YorkNew arc the Phantom Trope are meant to be evil yet readers follow from their perspective and see them more as somewhat relatable people against Kurapika <cite>Mackorov posted [p:950267181] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>totalnerdken posted... </cite> <quote>Remember that one scene, where that guy did the thing. Yeah, it relies on Shonen tropes.</quote> HxH does rely on tropes...but to hardly an extent compared to any other shounen. If you examine most HxH arcs, there's no clear hero vs villian or 'I must defeat this baddie' aim goal. The story instead follows ambiguous character motives, like in YorkNew arc the Phantom Trope are meant to be evil yet readers follow from their perspective and see them more as somewhat relatable people against Kurapika </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xXfireglzXx 02/04/21 9:19:03 AM #46:	Read Kengan Asura. It's very good at subverting your expectations without feeling like it's happening just to take the reader by surprise. It's actively creating new tropes too instead of falling into the classic pitfalls. --- Official ANCIENT Killer. I make account bets from time to time so either man up or shut up. The Quote is dedicated to those we have lost. <cite>xXfireglzXx posted [p:950267207] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Read Kengan Asura. It's very good at subverting your expectations without feeling like it's happening just to take the reader by surprise. It's actively creating new tropes too instead of falling into the classic pitfalls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/04/21 10:23:49 AM #47:	Mackorov posted... of course I know who the real artist is. That's why I say 'ARTIST' not author. The original author of OPM is in my opinion, just lame trash. Yes, he scored the brownie point by coming up with a gag premise. But the webtoon ran too long with this stupid premise, I'm pretty sure ONE realised eventually he was just slowly making the story yet another atypical shounen, minus the tension because Saitama. The story has fallen into the atypical shounen pattern mill of predictability. That's why he hardly updates OPM anymore. I believe it's mainly because he cant think up of any more s**tier next big boss storyline that isn't yet another 100+ chapters span only for Saitama to one punch big boss anymore. I'd say it's just because a one-note gag shouldn't carry on for years and years. Should have ended way sooner imo. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950268728] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Mackorov posted... </cite> <quote>of course I know who the real artist is. That's why I say 'ARTIST' not author. The original author of OPM is in my opinion, just lame trash. Yes, he scored the brownie point by coming up with a gag premise. But the webtoon ran too long with this stupid premise, I'm pretty sure ONE realised eventually he was just slowly making the story yet another atypical shounen, minus the tension because Saitama. The story has fallen into the atypical shounen pattern mill of predictability. That's why he hardly updates OPM anymore. I believe it's mainly because he cant think up of any more s**tier next big boss storyline that isn't yet another 100+ chapters span only for Saitama to one punch big boss anymore.</quote> I'd say it's just because a one-note gag shouldn't carry on for years and years. Should have ended way sooner imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 02/04/21 10:27:00 AM #48:	Dathrowed1 posted... Dragonball outside of the movies. The battle against Vegeta isn't played straight for instance DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes.... --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:950268812] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Dragonball outside of the movies. The battle against Vegeta isn't played straight for instance</quote>DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/04/21 10:28:35 AM #49:	NatsuSama posted... DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes.... lol for real Saying it's above tropes is a bit like saying superman is above superhero cliches --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:950268861] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>NatsuSama posted... </cite> <quote>DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes....</quote> lol for real Saying it's above tropes is a bit like saying superman is above superhero cliches </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 02/04/21 10:34:09 AM #50:	NatsuSama posted... DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes.... I gave one example where it isnt played straight --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:950269007] in Are FMA an... [t:79273986]...</cite> <quote>NatsuSama posted... </cite> <quote>DragonBall is the embodiment of Shonen tropes....</quote>I gave one example where it isnt played straight </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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