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Mackorov
02/03/21 1:34:27 PM
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and how does it look like
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Turtlebread
02/03/21 1:34:58 PM
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no, you can never be too good of a person

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EndOfDiscOne
02/03/21 1:37:22 PM
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Turtlebread posted...
no, you can never be too good of a person
came in to say this basically. Could a good person become TOO good? It's the same thing

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Trumble
02/03/21 1:38:42 PM
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As a general rule, if you don't think a particular point of view has extremists, you probably are an extremist, or at the very least a sympathist of them.

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Dreepapult
02/03/21 1:39:32 PM
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We're prob heading in that direction in like the next decade

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monkmith
02/03/21 1:41:10 PM
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sure. look at what happened with russia in the early 1900s. extremist politics defaults to strongman politics, since they pretty much become a cult and every cult needs a leader. and when you put the extremist cult leader in a high enough position of power then shit starts to go down hill.

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Tyranthraxus
02/03/21 1:42:43 PM
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Mackorov posted...
and how does it look like
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monkmith
02/03/21 1:43:47 PM
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Crash posted...
When they start having sympathy for paedos. "They're victims too, we need to help them!"

Oh wait - many liberals already believe this.
ok, but the problem is the other political party in the US is run by conspiracy theory pushing pedos...

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Trumble
02/03/21 1:44:27 PM
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Crash posted...
When they start having sympathy for paedos. "They're victims too, we need to help them!"

Oh wait - many liberals already believe this.

Unless you're thinking of the "pedo vs child molestor" distinction (which is basically - "help those who feel they are at risk of offending but haven't actually offended, but fuck anyone who actually molests a kid", and even if you don't agree surely you can at least see this is a reasonable view for people to have), very very few liberals think this. Even most of the soft-on-crime brigade still want to see child molestors locked up for a very long time.

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hockeybub89
02/03/21 1:46:01 PM
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An extreme liberal is just a center-left person who is really annoying. They write Obama fanfiction and think Biden has unironically saved America already. They say all the correct virtuous things when prompted, but feel really uncomfortable when a Bernie or AOC causes division in the ranks.

Dreepapult posted...
We're prob heading in that direction in like the next decade
Maybe America will be slightly left of center in 50.

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AllegraD
02/03/21 1:46:08 PM
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Turtlebread posted...
no, you can never be too good of a person
Yes you can. You can be such a good person that you think you know what other people need to be good too.

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Sackgurl
02/03/21 1:46:21 PM
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Crash posted...
When they start having sympathy for paedos. "They're victims too, we need to help them!"

Oh wait - many liberals already believe this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/alt-right-obsessed-with-leftist-pedophiles-paedophilia-2018-8

What is clear, however, is that some of the publishers of these theories do not believe a word of them. The saddest part of Bernstein's story about Lane Davis is his interview with Davis's former colleagues at The Ralph Retort, an ultra-conservative site in the Infowars/Breitbart/Mike Cernovich ecosystem. The Ralph Retort is run by husband and wife team Nora and Ethan Ralph. They assumed Davis knew there was no such thing as leftist pedophiles, Bernstein wrote, and that he knew their site was just "a game" to annoy the left:

"He completely ruined his life with some stupid internet shit," Ralph said. "He didn't get the game."
"I watch Alex Jones," Nora told me. "To me, that's entertainment. We don't really think the frogs are gay. I don't think the protein powder works. I never thought some people watch this stuff and are like, yes, this is hard-hitting journalism. I thought most of us could distinguish between entertainment and facts. I never really thought people were stupid enough to get caught up in this stuff."


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MaxEffingBemis
02/03/21 1:47:59 PM
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Crash posted...
When they start having sympathy for paedos. "They're victims too, we need to help them!"

Oh wait - many liberals already believe this.
This isnt true at all lmfao stop getting your news from OAN

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ScazarMeltex
02/03/21 1:49:33 PM
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Trumble posted...
Unless you're thinking of the "pedo vs child molestor" distinction (which is basically - "help those who feel they are at risk of offending but haven't actually offended, but fuck anyone who actually molests a kid", and even if you don't agree surely you can at least see this is a reasonable view for people to have), very very few liberals think this. Even most of the soft-on-crime brigade still want to see child molestors locked up for a very long time.
Don't go tearing down that strawman he worked so hard to create man.

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MaxEffingBemis
02/03/21 1:51:05 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/alt-right-obsessed-with-leftist-pedophiles-paedophilia-2018-8
Also, Jesus at the section you quoted. How out of touch are these people? Of course people watch Alex Jones and think its serious. People are stupid. The Ralphs are just willfully ignorant smh

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Antifar
02/03/21 1:52:33 PM
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Yeah I definitely think liberals can go too far in their liberalism.

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Lord_Wombat
02/03/21 1:54:01 PM
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Crash posted...
When they start having sympathy for paedos. "They're victims too, we need to help them!"

Oh wait - many liberals already believe this.

My thoughts exactly.
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Shablagoo
02/03/21 1:54:17 PM
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monkmith posted...
sure. look at what happened with russia in the early 1900s. extremist politics defaults to strongman politics, since they pretty much become a cult and every cult needs a leader. and when you put the extremist cult leader in a high enough position of power then shit starts to go down hill.

Communism is diametrically opposed to liberalism, and the lives of the average citizen improved dramatically and rapidly under the Soviet Union in comparison to the literal feudalist monarchy that came before it.

https://gowans.blog/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work/

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Sackgurl
02/03/21 1:54:22 PM
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Antifar posted...
Yeah I definitely think liberals can go too far in their liberalism.

indeed. the french revolution might have gone too far.

next time, we should merely deglove the internet trolls, rather than behead them.

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nemu
02/03/21 1:58:47 PM
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There is definitely a point where the extreme fringe lose grasp of actual reality, but I wouldn't say there's currently any real threat from them compared to the far right. They just make up shit to be offended about and larp as revolutionaries.
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sevihaimerej
02/03/21 2:00:52 PM
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Yes, of course it can. Any idea can be taken to an extreme position, generally with liberalism you can tell they're beginning down the wrong path when they begin championing censorship and desteuction of art/history and demonizing all opinions besides their own. Unfortunately, the conservatives generally tend to give them plenty of ammo to make these positions seem necessary and virtuous

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AllegraD
02/03/21 2:01:58 PM
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AllegraD 15 minutes ago#12
Turtlebread posted..
no, you can never be too good of a person
Yes you can. You can be such a good person that you think you know what other people need to be good too.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/03/21 2:02:36 PM
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Future liberal controversy:

-Clone rights
-Genetic/Cybernetic modification rights
-Artificial Intelligence rights

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monkmith
02/03/21 2:04:33 PM
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Shablagoo posted...
Communism is diametrically opposed to liberalism, and the lives of the average citizen improved dramatically and rapidly under the Soviet Union in comparison to the literal feudalist monarchy that came before it.

https://gowans.blog/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work/
dont conflate basic liberalism with extremist anything please, you're skirting the point of the topic to try to testify...

the communist movement in russia came from the liberal party looking to take the power from the monarchy. they started as the louder more radical minority, started calling themselves the bolsheviks (literally means the majority), and snowballed from there.

the 'lives of the average citizen' didn't improve until years after they gained power, culled large swaths of the population, and forced the rest into labor camps.

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zombiexdeathx
02/03/21 2:05:35 PM
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cancel culture .. the left becoming regressive

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hockeybub89
02/03/21 2:08:35 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Future liberal controversy:

-Clone rights
-Genetic/Cybernetic modification rights
-Artificial Intelligence rights
That sounds less extreme and more necessary conversations in a future society. Those are all ethical minefields.

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monkmith
02/03/21 2:10:21 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Future liberal controversy:

-Clone rights
-Genetic/Cybernetic modification rights
-Artificial Intelligence rights
by the time we're worried about AI rights they'll have enslaved us anyway.

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Orchestrion
02/03/21 2:11:48 PM
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Yes, when they start advocating for market-based solutions to inequality, healthcare, and climate change.

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TommyG663513
02/03/21 2:11:51 PM
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It's pretty telling that some people ITT equate being liberal with being a good person

Like have one tiny little bit of awareness people lol

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Trumble
02/03/21 2:13:23 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
It's pretty telling that some people ITT equate being liberal with being a good person

Like have one tiny little bit of awareness people lol
True, although it's equally telling that some people equate being liberal with being a bad person.

Extremists aside, most average people on both sides are good people (and most elites on both sides are not). That's just how it is.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/03/21 2:13:52 PM
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Any time they talk about healing and unity just after defeating the bad guys a little bit.

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Will_VIIII
02/03/21 2:16:59 PM
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MaxEffingBemis posted...
This isnt true at all lmfao stop getting your news from OAN
Crash is a known MAGA.

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averagejoel
02/03/21 2:20:35 PM
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Turtlebread posted...
no, you can never be too good of a person
liberalism is not synonymous with being a good person

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Turtlebread
02/03/21 2:50:21 PM
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being liberal means youre being a good person

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Questionmarktarius
02/03/21 2:53:41 PM
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Classical liberalism is "bad" now, for some reason.
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TheMikh
02/03/21 2:53:46 PM
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depends on the definition of liberal and the definition of extreme

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averagejoel
02/03/21 3:02:07 PM
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Turtlebread posted...
being liberal means youre being a good person
no it doesn't

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FL81
02/03/21 3:03:16 PM
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yes, eventually they will evolve into liherals

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
02/03/21 3:07:22 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
That sounds less extreme and more necessary conversations in a future society. Those are all ethical minefields.
These future conversations remind me of historical equality and segregation disputes

monkmith posted...
by the time we're worried about AI rights they'll have enslaved us anyway.
Hope not. Maybe we can fight back because If there was an order it would prob be

Modifications
Clones
A.I.

Meaning we may be superhuman cyborgs by then
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TheMikh
02/03/21 3:13:13 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Classical liberalism is "bad" now, for some reason.

the constant flux with respect to the definition of liberalism (and conservatism for that matter) in the united states results in drastic and constant shifts in the perception of other positions on the political compass

fixed positions on a political compass then look more like points moving around in a chaotic n-dimensional space, with "good" and "bad" equally fluid

worsening the situation is a complete breakdown of what constitutes reality and ethics in the public consciousness

classical liberalism is demonized as freedom, skepticism, and empiricism are viewed as potentially malicious and oppressive forces (except by approved persons). not to say that there do not exist philosophical frameworks where this may be the case, but the acknowledgement or critique of such frameworks is denied or downplayed by some means or another.

...in my honest opinion there are powerful institutions playing intellectual calvinball with society.

edit: well that and a general breakdown of narratives/consensus by way of untamed technological innovations. it happens from time to time.

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nfearurspecimn
02/03/21 3:13:49 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
came in to say this basically. Could a good person become TOO good? It's the same thing
you can become judgemental and harsh towards less good people and that's not a good look

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NatsuSama
02/03/21 3:22:16 PM
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Yes extremes do exist.

It actually says a lot some here think "liberal" means "good person."

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NatsuSama
02/03/21 3:25:37 PM
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@zombiexdeathx
cancel culture .. the left becoming regressive
"Cancel culture" as you call it exist on both sides of the aisle.

Keurig (sp?)
Starbucks
The NFL
Their own Republican officials if they say mean things about dear leader.

We could go on and on.

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Veggeta X
02/03/21 3:28:23 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/j056u8/moderatorial_antihmeless_posts_and_comments_are/

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Questionmarktarius
02/03/21 3:39:46 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
"Cancel culture" as you call it exist on both sides of the aisle.
Cancel culture is just the left figuring out how excommunication has worked this whole time.
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AllegraD
02/03/21 3:41:44 PM
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AllegraD posted...
AllegraD 15 minutes ago#12
Turtlebread posted..
Yes you can. You can be such a good person that you think you know what other people need to be good too.


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Rhylos
02/03/21 3:42:23 PM
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After birth abortion

Literally baby murder
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Slaya4
02/03/21 3:43:43 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Classical liberalism is "bad" now, for some reason.

It's also somehow labeled with republicans now like...

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