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Lopen 03/30/23 6:23:53 PM #101: |
Like we're focusing on whether Ulti is telling the truth about being at work when that isn't the relevant thing The relevant things are this, and they are factual. Ulti is playing differently than previous games where he was busy at work. Ulti is claiming he is busy at work. Those are both truths from evidence and direct statements. So let us assume he is telling the truth because he wouldn't lie about real life for a mafia game. Then you have two options, one of which is likely true.
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:26:26 PM #103: |
Lea vote Plum with us Everyone vote Plum Let's consolidate wagons earlier in the day please --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:27:28 PM #105: |
I am saying you were telling the truth about being at work. Stop misrepresenting what people are saying so you can be the victim and play the game. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:28:49 PM #106: |
You think it's wrong to be suspicious because you're playing differently and you're town? Then find scum. Help get this lynch of Plum going. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peace___Frog 03/30/23 6:33:30 PM #107: |
Kirby321 posted... Er, I'm not sure I follow.I always take umbrage with how quick Ulti is to town clear people. I expect him to call at least 3 of those people scum within the next 24 hours --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 03/30/23 6:33:53 PM #108: |
I will support a Plum lynch if we can't get a good rally on Ulti. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:34:33 PM #109: |
UltimaterializerX posted... Yeah Plum is scum. I was getting there. You have my vote in spirit! UltimaterializerX posted... SCUMMONED Then tries to divert to Corrik despite Plum gaining momentum and takes his ball and goes home REAL INTERESTING. If Ulti or Plum flip scum you have your second lead pretty easily. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 6:35:10 PM #110: |
Lopen probably scum --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 03/30/23 6:35:25 PM #111: |
I'd have to check if he mentioned work and business in his recent towngames, but frankly I find the behavior around his claim the more worthwhile aspect of his play to investigate. He is busy at work but perhaps less busy than he was before. Scenario 1 is what he claims it is. And to me that doesnt make him more or less scummy. If its scenario 2, I dont know how to prove that --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 03/30/23 6:36:51 PM #112: |
masterplum posted... Lopen probably scum why? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:37:34 PM #113: |
htaeD posted... Scenario 1 is what he claims it is. And to me that doesnt make him more or less scummy. To me it does depending on when he said it (when did he say this?) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 6:38:13 PM #114: |
Obellisk posted... why? He should know this is a dumb train. Two people leading the charge are you and IGCD who are historically terrible at reading me. Lopen is a smart guy. Why is he leading this charge? Because he knows when I flip town everyone is going to go lol guess it was just plum doing plum things and nobody will pin it on him --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:39:02 PM #115: |
Quite the contrary I would want people to pin it on me I take my plum reading abilities very seriously. I pride myself in them. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 6:40:26 PM #116: |
No you dont --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:42:39 PM #117: |
What? Don't I? I totally do. I know as scum you'll implode with just the right pressure applied, whereas as town you'll implode yourself. I seek redemption for Karate Kid mafia. I think today is my day. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 03/30/23 6:43:03 PM #118: |
Plum do you even know why Lopen voted you? --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 6:44:32 PM #119: |
htaeD posted... Plum do you even know why Lopen voted you? Not really but it doesnt matter --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:45:54 PM #120: |
I responded to you directly earlier and announced my suspicion then so you should know why. Granted that was just one in a recurring theme. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 03/30/23 6:46:06 PM #121: |
I'd say it does because your defense of 'Lopen is never right anyway' is not gonna win many hearts --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 6:46:33 PM #122: |
Lopen posted... I responded to you directly earlier and announced my suspicion then so you should know why. I might have missed it. I dont recall --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 03/30/23 6:51:00 PM #123: |
So plum wants Lopen lynched if he flips town. Noted. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 6:51:17 PM #124: |
Oh shit you guys. This is alarming. There was ten seconds, TEN SECONDS, between these two posts. Now speaking for myself that is just barely not enough time for me to re-read my own post and realize my typo, and then type up a response. Obellisk posted... Alas, lea blew me too early. Obellisk posted... AWAY! Am I crazy or did Sbell KNOW he was going to typo this before he hit post and then had a follow up response already prepared and this wasn't a mistake at all?!?!? Omg --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:51:46 PM #125: |
You said I was posting "fluff" earlier (me and Ulti) when I was trying to build a case on Ulti, Wallz, and Ben. I have no idea why you came to the conclusion I was posting "fluff" Ironic because I felt that's been your whole game. Just a lot of empty buzzwords that don't really apply to what's going on. Saying Ulti "just does things" to handwave what he's doing at all points. Saying Sbell is "loud wrong" when he... wasn't particularly loud or particularly wrong. Reading your posts thus far has felt like I'm sitting first row on a campaign trail. Just a lot of stuff that sounds relevant to talk about without any evidence there's actual thought behind them. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 03/30/23 6:53:20 PM #126: |
Lopen posted... You said I was posting "fluff" earlier (me and Ulti) when I was trying to build a case on Ulti, Wallz, and Ben. I have no idea why you came to the conclusion I was posting "fluff"Him claiming I'm leading the charge as an attempt to discredit the train is kind of funny too. --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 03/30/23 6:53:45 PM #127: |
IfGodCouldDie posted... Him claiming I'm leading the charge as an attempt to discredit the train is kind of funny too. us together. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 03/30/23 6:54:15 PM #128: |
Ben, that's a joke ya? just not sure if I'm supposed to address or not. --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 03/30/23 6:55:54 PM #129: |
Lopen posted... I don't believe Ulti is exonorated by showing a timesheet and I think him trying to derail the discussion into that so hard looks bad for him. He is moving the argument into an easily defensible position rather than focusing on game content where he is more soundly beaten.Couldn't you make this same argument for any player, though? Why is Ulti specifically needing to be targeted for pockets of activity vs inactivity? --- :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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htaeD 03/30/23 6:55:59 PM #130: |
Feels a little late for Ben to joke around now, but it sure looks like he is --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 6:58:18 PM #131: |
Hbthebattle posted... Couldn't you make this same argument for any player, though? Why is Ulti specifically needing to be targeted for pockets of activity vs inactivity? Name another player who is being vastly more or less active than the norm? You can't exactly make this same argument for any player because it doesn't apply to any player. I can name exactly one other and it has influenced my read there as well --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:01:16 PM #132: |
wallmasterz posted... Ill definitely give some updated thoughts today (irl).Wallz looking like town to me. Only caveat is that i did say that last game at some point --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:03:48 PM #133: |
htaeD posted... Feels a little late for Ben to joke around now, but it sure looks like he isIt's never too late to stop joking, just as it's never too early to stop --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:09:11 PM #134: |
I'm having some very interesting thoughts right now that I'm excited to share soon! Please be excited --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 7:09:38 PM #135: |
The more I think about it the more I think that wallz as scum probably doesn't note Ulti's behavior as "different" if they're both scum. I feel as a newer player here he wouldn't have the audacity to bus his teammate that way even if I felt it was a distancing maneuver earlier. Ulti x Plum much more likely than Ulti x Wallz atm. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 03/30/23 7:11:11 PM #136: |
Lopen posted... Name another player who is being vastly more or less active than the norm? You can't exactly make this same argument for any player because it doesn't apply to any player.That's not my point, dude. You're arguing that Ulti is trying to use the timesheet as a defense, but it's you and Sbell who dragged it into being relevant in the first place. If you think Ulti is trying to push the argument there, why are you engaging in it? --- :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 7:13:19 PM #137: |
Hbthebattle posted... If you think Ulti is trying to push the argument there, why are you engaging in it? Because the argument isn't about whether he's actually at work or not it's "he's acting differently despite the situation being the same by what he claimed was the case-- so why is that?" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 03/30/23 7:14:45 PM #138: |
Personally I'm wondering if Hb is scum who is defending Ulti and pocketing wallz or if he's town who really just wants to one up me because I tore into his play super hard last game we played together Because man you're REALLY reaching for some of this stuff --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IfGodCouldDie 03/30/23 7:27:48 PM #139: |
PunishedBen posted... I'm having some very interesting thoughts right now that I'm excited to share soon! Please be excitedWOOO! --- All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Obellisk 03/30/23 7:41:18 PM #140: |
When will soon be now Ben? --- (\____/) ( SBell ) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:48:27 PM #141: |
Obellisk posted... Lets not forget this is mafia, the same mafia where scum chris told scum sultan to play up his concussion in game. Its a game of deception and lies. You've never lied about being busy when you are scum and just haven't read or are afraid you'll get found out if you post too much? We are all guilty of lies and emotional deception.+1 --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:49:48 PM #142: |
Obellisk posted... When will soon be now Ben?Sometime between now and the end of day 1 . --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:51:31 PM #143: |
First step is me being caught up --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedBen 03/30/23 7:53:49 PM #144: |
Lopen posted... Ulti twisting Sbell's argument into a victim worthy thing feels like a manipulation here. Not really how the original argument was going I feel.I agree with this and feel like Sbell comes out of that feeling town and Ulti comes out with me feeling not convinced at all --- https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 03/30/23 8:14:17 PM #145: |
Found it Peace___Frog posted...
Concur. This post struck me as odd. Peaf has only played BCT's Simple Mafia with Corrik, and possibly DotA 2 Mafia. Corrik was very much present and into the game's discussion during both of those games. While we might see that same evolution of Corrik in this game... two posts is way too early to call that, especially with such few games to reference. I can give Lopen a pass because he's tends to see things that aren't always there. But I'm a little wary of how assured Peaf seems to be of Corrik leaning Town given his relative inexperience with Corrik. On another note, I'm liking Hb. He seems very much engaged and addressing other arguments, which I believe is a contrast compared to his one scum game where he wasn't doing much. I also could've sworn the last time he and Lopen were butting heads like this, they were both Town. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peace___Frog 03/30/23 8:16:42 PM #146: |
? Bro just because i died n2 of xb3 (his most recent game that i have compared to this multiple times over) does not mean i didn't continue to follow that game until its completion. --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peace___Frog 03/30/23 8:18:44 PM #147: |
Kirby321 posted... But I'm a little wary of how assured Peaf seems to be of Corrik leaning Town given his relative inexperience with Corrik.Like this is just a straight up lie. Do i have as much experience as red? Obviously not. But like i said, I've been comparing exclusively to his latest game... which i was in. Does it only count if i live to endgame? Day 1 there wasn't real? --- ~Peaf~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 03/30/23 8:18:59 PM #148: |
Lopen posted... Ulti is playing differently than previous games where he was busy at work. Are these actually facts? I don't think I noticed anything that different about Ulti compared to the previous few games, aside from him not instantly claiming. I guess there was the whole "images bad" phase he had, but that doesn't feel completely substantial. ... I'm starting to wonder if I'm barking up the wrong tree. These arguments against Ulti seem garbage. And yet Ulti's arguments against Lopen and Sbell are equally weak. I have a feeling there's scum in there. Between Sbell and Ulti... I lean Ulti as scum, but I honestly don't feel positively about either of them right now. --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby321 03/30/23 8:21:00 PM #149: |
Peace___Frog posted... ? I... completely forgot Corrik was in that game. Okay, I can kinda see your angle then. I don't agree with it at all, but it's understandable once you factor in XC3 Mafia --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 03/30/23 8:23:25 PM #150: |
##Vote:Lopen --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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