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Peace___Frog posted...

If red were scum surely he would have a claim ready to go by now and would do it to get you off his back?

No. Red as scum is too cowardly to claim at this point and doesn't claim for the sake of "keeping up appearances"

IE exactly what he's doing right now.

(red) > Lea > Peaf > Kirby > IGCD > wallz > abacus > Death

IMO

I am not moving to Death

Let's lynch Red.

I think Plum has played extremely scummy, has bad flavor, and you have played how I would expect you play Doctor and have good flavor

It's faith but it's hardly blind

So where is the conspiracy theorizing here?

That I think you're scum because you went to Disneyland yesterday?

The funny thing is a billion vanilla claims is in and of itself a conspiracy

I don't even need to theorize-- setup is clearly weird the evidence is right in front of you

What's the matter red? Don't want to be another vanilla claim in the pile?

Wallz vote Red with us

In a vacuum I would say

If Isquen is town, you (Lea) are likely town and Plum is some sort of random scum power role that didn't do anything useful
If Isquen is scum, you could be either one but I would lean scum based on other stuff

Keep in mind if Plum is town that's pretty much null on you. Plum saving scum Lea is totally possible.

Keep in mind it's not just my scan theory. I did want to townclear him for a reason, I had some doubts in my town read.

Watch how red played yesterday. He looked active early, then regressed to going to Disneyland again (or playing in traffic or whatever he said it was) that's why I actually scanned him.
Watch how red played today. Basically no meaningful analysis of what's going on (and a LOT is going on) just "guffaw, why are we doing this, guffaw" ad nauseam.

I also just don't believe he (or Plum) would actually think Ulti looked like town yesterday.

How you catch scum red is

Makes excuses for inactivity
Makes a bunch of "look how smart I am" posts while not attempting to find any scum

I still think you look scummish but I would rather lynch red than you today.

My theory

Cop, POSSIBLY plum, and whatever Corrik is are literally the only power, scumteam looks super stacked but aren't really as their roles are not super applicable here which is why Ulti thought Jailkeeper would have made sense in the setup

Isquen as watcher now looks glaring because game is super low power. Basic idea of what Isquen was trying to achieve still makes sense, he was trying to draw off doc from me because scum knew I was doctor.

There might legitimately be scum watcher and the Lea element of what I was claiming didn't matter, as Heihachi is the scum way to catch the cop the watcher could be their way to catch the doctor. Scumteam is kinda playing the role of "town" here.

We in any case do not lynch Isquen knowing the weirdness of the setup, despite my misgivings. He should definitely be first on the chopping block if he fails repeatedly to give any useful information though.

Red just claim

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What is this theory?

Red is scum's version of a godfather but instead of actually scanning innocent he steals the result

Now that we are seeing more and more of the setup and not a lot of power I'm leaning towards that as making more sense than scum having a rolethief.

wallmasterz posted...

Sorry if I shouldnt have mentioned that, not sure what youre getting at here

I don't believe you've spent any considerable amount of time on this game that would make you meet a deadline with the amount of content you've posted and apparent reading you've done. It is the first thing you've done since very early that's pinged me as strange.

##unvote:
##vote: Red

Fine let's just test the heihachi counterhit theory why not.

wallmasterz posted...

Im bumping up against a deadline I probably wont meet because Im prioritizing this game,

...

@hbthebattle
@mzero
@red13n

Claim plz thanks

1) Abacus - Vanilla
2) Corrik - Yoshimitsu who knows there isn't a doctor somehow
3) Death - Vanilla
4) Hb
5) IGCD - Vanilla
6) Isquen - Watcher
7) Kirby - Vanilla
8) Lea - Vanilla
9) Lopen - Cop
10) MZero
11) Peaf - Vanilla
12) Plum - Doctor
13) Red
14) Wallz - Vanilla

Just Mzero, red, and Hb

Death just claim

Ok yeah no Lea and Plum are too in sync here trying to lead me to three factions

I'm going with the easier option that Wallz is in fact just town who may or may not be miller

masterplum posted...

DOT DOT FUCKING DOT

Motivations

Isquen misplaying is scummish because scum knows I am cop and are attempting to draw doctor
You misplaying is scummish because just read your game

ViolentAbacus posted...

but I thought that the play if you were miller was to claim it immediately? At least in the games I followed.

People can misplay and it doesn't make them scum. I can absolutely see not wanting to claim miller to avoid being mislynched as a town play

Oh shi

Maybe it is two scum teams

G-Corporation and Mishima Zaibatsu

Peace___Frog posted...

I'm honestly not super fond of moving into role meta territory for trying to solve the game on day fucking 2 but with the rber dead it's definitely less risky. I still wish we could just... look at who is a scummy shit and lynch them.

Plum, Isquen, Lea

I gave you the scummy solve for today. You wanna cop out and lynch vanillas go ahead.

Wallz lying and claiming vanilla instead of miller makes me feel better about him in any case.

I'm going to guess Wallz is actually miller and wanted to claim vanilla with that flavor. I won't actually be scanning him ever so it's irrelevant

1) Abacus - Vanilla
2) Corrik - Yoshimitsu who knows there isn't a doctor somehow
3) Death
4) Hb
5) IGCD
6) Isquen - Watcher
7) Kirby - Vanilla
8) Lea - Vanilla
9) Lopen - Cop
10) MZero
11) Peaf - Vanilla
12) Plum - Doctor
13) Red
14) Wallz - Vanilla

Let's keep going! This is going to be so cool.

1) Abacus - Vanilla
2) Corrik - Yoshimitsu who knows there isn't a doctor somehow
3) Death
4) Hb
5) IGCD
6) Isquen - Watcher
7) Kirby - Vanilla
8) Lea - Vanilla
9) Lopen - Cop
10) MZero
11) Peaf - Vanilla
12) Plum - Doctor
13) Red
14) Wallz

We are close!

1) Abacus - Vanilla
2) Corrik - Space Ninja (Doctor)
3) Death
4) Hb
5) IGCD
6) Isquen - Watcher
7) Kirby
8) Lea - Vanilla
9) Lopen - Cop
10) MZero
11) Peaf - Vanilla
12) Plum - Doctor
13) Red
14) Wallz

Get your claims in here get your claims in

Like rando Tracker or other insignificant info role in the setup

Just claim

You will do more to solve by being brave than by using your scanning role.

If we mass, Corrik will full claim. I'm sure of it

Let's mass

Yoshimitsu teleports

That's one of his major gimmicks

That's internally who I was expecting to be doc saving some major character (not yours) having some random backstory about being a doctor that I'd forgotten

ViolentAbacus posted...

Lopen, why do you believe Corrik over Plum, when Corrik has yet to even say his role? Just that a doctor doesn't exist.

Corrik is claiming space ninja that has a cute flavor doc save at night, and he will probably full claim it if we get more town claiming

Because Corrik has played as I would expect him to as doctor (trying to appear scummy early to avoid shots, then eventually helping to solve the game), Yoshimitsu makes sense as a doctor, Plum is obviously scum outside of that, and Plum's claim is obvious safelist trash that a Tekken fan would never put in a setup as the actual doctor

Kirby321 posted...

So why are we trying to lynch any of them? There could be a huge Illuminati underground conspiracy theory thing going on, and if you're actually 100% right, I'll be amazed. But right now, I'm choosing to go with the simplest explanation, and that is to not lynch the uncountered power.

Because simple analysis of play and not playing like a coward says the following

Plum has played like scum
Isquen has not played like town watcher would be expected to at any point, and his choice to claim quickly is further reinforced by the detail that scum knows I am cop

With Lea as scum you can't afford to let this just sit-- if Corrik and I are removed from the board no one in town is positioned to actually lead us to correct lynches.

Corrik7 posted...

Oh hey. Can we be smart here. Mass claim please. Supposedly all top power is claimed. Let's get everyone on the board here.

MASS.

Lopen posted...

and weren't using stuff like "ultra town" and ignoring my arguments and failing to present strong alternatives

as a scum tactic

darn no editing

Kirby321 posted...

I thought you were town, but making up stuff like this and gaslighting me is extremely scummy

Kirby I'm sorry you think I'm a crackpot legitimately and weren't using stuff like "ultra town" and ignoring my arguments and failing to present strong alternatives

Prove yourself by lynching the clearly safelist doctor claim Plum. We can crack this game wide open. It will be glorious.

Corrik7 posted...

D. A 3 way alignment of scum on a single gambit that could murder them all.

Lea isn't for sure scum here without -- there's a reason Isquen wasn't eager to reveal his results.

Frankly Isquen's voting and conversation habits don't match up for a watcher that watched Lea and saw plum visit her. He hasn't played like a watcher that had this result-- Isquen is clearly panicking and just kinda doing stuff

Here's scum gameplan

Waste a day or two of lynches by lynching random inactive 5 and 6
Try to lynch the real doctor

If they get to two wasted lynches the doctor lynch is GG.

Keep in mind scum has a role thief. They can just ignore me if Isquen is scum.

Corrik7 posted...

The thing that doesn't add up for isquen is why he claimed at all.

He claimed to draw doc save so scum could kill me, otherwise I'm a viable doc save candidate

14/4 with 3 mislynches is 8/4

Math is hard when you're scum I get it

Corrik7 posted...

Okay. So you are saying if you got lynched before revealing the truth that we would have assumed Lea was scum and scum would have no way to refute it. Because they know you are cop, they know you didn't have a result, but the rest of the game wouldn't know that.

Well, night killed not lynched but yes

I knew scum would night kill me tonight because they know I'm scanner

Isquen fits in perfectly because he's trying to draw doc save. Doing it to save Lea is convenient and probably coincidence all things considered, but the base play of drawing doctor save is what he was doing there

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Lea can easily path this if we allow plum and Isquen to live

Easily

And town will lose

Also let's assume Isquen by some miracle is town watcher and not just breadcrumbing a calculated fakeclaim on a team that had no ninja on it

Getting the obviously fake doctor claim off the board so he can watch the real one is good

Corrik7 posted...

I'm trying to make this make sense, and maybe it does. But it isn't clicking for me right now.

I was saying Lea was 80.61% scum. I did this repeatedly while having absolute conviction she was scum and trying to pick her apart all day.

I do not doubt that when I flip cop, town believes I scanned Lea, when they try to find a hint as to who I scanned.

Which was my plan. Town would not know my scan was stolen until a thief flipped-- if I made an obvious enough breadcrumb that SCUM would pick up on it, I knew scum would give Lea an out because they're clearly playing "Lea carries" as their gameplan.

We cannot fool around and allow our legitimate power roles to be killed while Plum and Isquen are allowed to just exist. B8 towns simply don't have the stones to test it and will default to inactives over and over as Lea leads them from mislynch to mislynch.

Corrik7 posted...

When did you imply you scanned Lea? Also, does your scan say who you scanned? If it says "red is xxxxx" then they know who you scanned.

I grilled Lea all day and was arbitrarily saying a weird decimal percentage that she was scum.

Death picked up on it. I don't doubt a scum did as well.

They know I didn't scan Lea but they can't prove I didn't without an ironclad reason for town to know that I didn't since I wasn't revealing my scan. Insert watcher claim on Lea, which makes everything click into place.

Corrik7 posted...

Lopen, Plum isn't going anywhere. Why today?

Because literally this scumteam is a giant gambit and we need to poke holes in it asap

B8 towns are too scared of WIFOM "no scum would never do this it's too ridiculous" we can't give an out now.

The stories stink. Destroy it before people who will actually challenge them like you and I are off the board.

Corrik is being Corrik. He wants to find a scum since I've found all the rest of them.

SCUM KNEW I WAS COP TO START THE DAY AND I HEAVILY IMPLIED HAVING SCANNED LEA

Scum is playing crazy because I am making them crazy. Let us plunge the sword into the heart of obvious safelist doctor mook #6