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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:33:25 PM
#201:


Lopen posted...
Because literally this scumteam is a giant gambit and we need to poke holes in it asap

B8 towns are too scared of WIFOM "no scum would never do this it's too ridiculous" we can't give an out now.

The stories stink. Destroy it before people who will actually challenge them like you and I are off the board.
Scum are scared to claim early, especially so with power claims that can be outted.

Rather find what's hiding below while letting the "data" add up in the supposed claims.

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:34:44 PM
#202:


Lopen posted...
I grilled Lea all day and was arbitrarily saying a weird decimal percentage that she was scum.

Death picked up on it. I don't doubt a scum did as well.

They know I didn't scan Lea but they can't prove I didn't without an ironclad reason for town to know that I didn't since I wasn't revealing my scan. Insert watcher claim on Lea, which makes everything click into place.
I'm trying to make this make sense, and maybe it does. But it isn't clicking for me right now.

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ctesjbuvf
04/03/23 12:35:28 PM
#203:


Votals:
[5] Plum - Mzero, Abacus, (Peaf), IGCD, (Lopen), Wallz, Lopen
[3] Kirby - (Isquen), Lea, (Peaf), Corrik, Peaf
[2] Corrik - Kirby, (Isquen), Plum, (Isquen)
[1] Wallz - Isquen
[0] Red - (Isquen)
[0] Isquen - (Corrik), (Lopen), (Corrik)
[0] Lopen - (Plum)
[0] Lea - (Lopen), (IGCD), (Isquen)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch. Day ends at 7pm EST, 6.5 hours from now.

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:36:28 PM
#204:


I don't like that mzero is parking votes early. Just fyi.

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:36:48 PM
#205:


Yeah Wall is scum

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:37:15 PM
#206:


In fact

##Unvote
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htaeD
04/03/23 12:37:22 PM
#207:


Okay lets try this
Corrik if Plum is lynched and flips towndoctor
what will you say?

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:37:24 PM
#208:


I am 99% confident that Isquen, Lopen, Lea, and Peaf are all town.

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:39:04 PM
#209:


htaeD posted...
Okay lets try this
Corrik if Plum is lynched and flips towndoctor
what will you say?
SK exists.

If no SK, and we win, I did what had to be done to win the game.

If no SK and we lose, I grossly miscalculated "my bad, guys".

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:39:21 PM
#210:


Corrik7 posted...
I'm trying to make this make sense, and maybe it does. But it isn't clicking for me right now.

I was saying Lea was 80.61% scum. I did this repeatedly while having absolute conviction she was scum and trying to pick her apart all day.

I do not doubt that when I flip cop, town believes I scanned Lea, when they try to find a hint as to who I scanned.

Which was my plan. Town would not know my scan was stolen until a thief flipped-- if I made an obvious enough breadcrumb that SCUM would pick up on it, I knew scum would give Lea an out because they're clearly playing "Lea carries" as their gameplan.

We cannot fool around and allow our legitimate power roles to be killed while Plum and Isquen are allowed to just exist. B8 towns simply don't have the stones to test it and will default to inactives over and over as Lea leads them from mislynch to mislynch.

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:39:39 PM
#211:


Corrik7 posted...
Eh, don't like that reasoning at all. He is saying it's impossible because he went to Lea.


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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:41:08 PM
#213:


Okay. So you are saying if you got lynched before revealing the truth that we would have assumed Lea was scum and scum would have no way to refute it. Because they know you are cop, they know you didn't have a result, but the rest of the game wouldn't know that.

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:41:27 PM
#214:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I like this list honestly

I would be far less mad if I thought Lopen was just scum instead of the loudest wrong in the history of loud wrong

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:41:28 PM
#215:


Also let's assume Isquen by some miracle is town watcher and not just breadcrumbing a calculated fakeclaim on a team that had no ninja on it

Getting the obviously fake doctor claim off the board so he can watch the real one is good

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:42:43 PM
#216:


Lopen posted...
Also let's assume Isquen by some miracle is town watcher and not just breadcrumbing a calculated fakeclaim on a team that had no ninja on it

Getting the obviously fake doctor claim off the board so he can watch the real one is good

The real one? You mean corrik who has immediately backtracked from it?

Do you respond to real posts or ones you just make up in your head?

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:42:58 PM
#217:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Lea can easily path this if we allow plum and Isquen to live

Easily

And town will lose

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:44:37 PM
#218:


Corrik7 posted...
Okay. So you are saying if you got lynched before revealing the truth that we would have assumed Lea was scum and scum would have no way to refute it. Because they know you are cop, they know you didn't have a result, but the rest of the game wouldn't know that.

Well, night killed not lynched but yes

I knew scum would night kill me tonight because they know I'm scanner

Isquen fits in perfectly because he's trying to draw doc save. Doing it to save Lea is convenient and probably coincidence all things considered, but the base play of drawing doctor save is what he was doing there

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:44:55 PM
#219:


Lopen posted...
Lea can easily path this if we allow plum and Isquen to live

Easily

And town will lose

Ah yes, town will immediately lose after checks notes lynching scum D1.

Scum will obviously no kill in order to keep all the power role questions alive and that is what we don't want to happen

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:45:54 PM
#220:


14/4 with 3 mislynches is 8/4

Math is hard when you're scum I get it

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:46:42 PM
#221:


Lopen posted...
14/4 with 3 mislynches is 8/4

Math is hard when you're scum I get it

So you really are expecting a scenario where scum doesn't kill me two days in a row and just assumes everything will go well for them?

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:47:08 PM
#222:


Lopen posted...
Also let's assume Isquen by some miracle is town watcher and not just breadcrumbing a calculated fakeclaim on a team that had no ninja on it

Getting the obviously fake doctor claim off the board so he can watch the real one is good
Let's assume isquen is watcher telling the truth. He sees Plum on Lea whether scum or not. He doesn't reveal this to not out the doctor.

The thing that doesn't add up for isquen is why he claimed at all.

The only angle I can see is to tell the doctor he thinks he saw on Lea to protect him by saying yoohoo I saw your silly butt and didn't reveal you so now protect me. But, why assume doctor went to Lea?

If anything, Ulti said his team was going to Lea tonight to "sleep with her". Too on the nose? Maybe, but Ulti clearly put the nightkill in on Sbell.

I think isquen just misplayed in general and it was on me to get it all out in the open after the bleeding started.

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:48:11 PM
#223:


Corrik7 posted...
The only angle I can see is to tell the doctor he thinks he saw on Lea to protect him by saying yoohoo I saw your silly butt and didn't reveal you so now protect me. But, why assume doctor went to Lea?

Because Lea is the best player in the game?

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:48:14 PM
#224:


Corrik7 posted...
The thing that doesn't add up for isquen is why he claimed at all.

He claimed to draw doc save so scum could kill me, otherwise I'm a viable doc save candidate

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:49:27 PM
#225:


masterplum posted...
So you really are expecting a scenario where scum doesn't kill me two days in a row and just assumes everything will go well for them?
Can they kill you in your scenario? There is a watcher. Who you supposedly will save if you are doctor?

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:50:48 PM
#226:


Corrik7 posted...
Can they kill you in your scenario? There is a watcher. Who you supposedly will save if you are doctor?

They have to bite the bullet and just do it. You can't just leave a doctor around with no role blocker

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:51:49 PM
#227:


Lopen posted...
He claimed to draw doc save so scum could kill me, otherwise I'm a viable doc save candidate
Your theory has a glaring hole in it Lopen. They would have to

A. Know watcher doesn't exist. (If no ninja, they could know that).

B. Expect no scanners to claim to make investigation to heavy

C. No one to have outted isquen.

D. A 3 way alignment of scum on a single gambit that could murder them all.

It's a ton of needing everything to specifically line up perfectly.

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:52:32 PM
#228:


masterplum posted...
They have to bite the bullet and just do it. You can't just leave a doctor around with no role blocker
Why? If you supposedly have to do this cycle, they neutralized the watcher and doctor and have free reign on everyone else without fear of the watcher.

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:52:48 PM
#229:


Here's scum gameplan

Waste a day or two of lynches by lynching random inactive 5 and 6
Try to lynch the real doctor

If they get to two wasted lynches the doctor lynch is GG.

Keep in mind scum has a role thief. They can just ignore me if Isquen is scum.

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Kirby321
04/03/23 12:53:00 PM
#230:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


The hell, Lea?
Are my posts fucking invisible or something

Have you not seen me respond to Ben, Peaf, and Corrik about being suspected for stupid reasons? Probably Lopen is in that list, too. Idk, there's been a lot of interactions where I've asked people to elaborate their reasons on me.

I thought you were town, but making up stuff like this and gaslighting me is extremely scummy

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masterplum
04/03/23 12:53:38 PM
#231:


Corrik7 posted...
Why? If you supposedly have to do this cycle, they neutralized the watcher and doctor and have free reign on everyone else without fear of the watcher.

Assuming the watcher watches me and the doctor protects the watcher.

Scum is in a pickle because maybe I don't save the watcher. Who knows

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:54:58 PM
#232:


Corrik7 posted...
D. A 3 way alignment of scum on a single gambit that could murder them all.

Lea isn't for sure scum here without -- there's a reason Isquen wasn't eager to reveal his results.

Frankly Isquen's voting and conversation habits don't match up for a watcher that watched Lea and saw plum visit her. He hasn't played like a watcher that had this result-- Isquen is clearly panicking and just kinda doing stuff

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:55:47 PM
#233:


masterplum posted...
Assuming the watcher watches me and the doctor protects the watcher.

Scum is in a pickle because maybe I don't save the watcher. Who knows
Then if the watcher dies and you are really a doctor, you are dead af right? Lol. So you can't not save him.

That said, I don't think doctor exists and this is all nonsense but just showing where you should be at.

The watcher is the one who has options. Not you. Tbqh.

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Kirby321
04/03/23 12:56:19 PM
#234:


Corrik7 posted...
Maybe, but Ulti clearly put the nightkill in on Sbell.

You mentioned Serial Killer earlier. So you think Ben was Serial Killed? Why?

Do you not think it's plausible that scum double killed last night?

I don't get why you and Plum automatically jumped to Serial Killer.

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:56:33 PM
#235:


Kirby321 posted...
I thought you were town, but making up stuff like this and gaslighting me is extremely scummy

Kirby I'm sorry you think I'm a crackpot legitimately and weren't using stuff like "ultra town" and ignoring my arguments and failing to present strong alternatives

Prove yourself by lynching the clearly safelist doctor claim Plum. We can crack this game wide open. It will be glorious.

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Corrik7
04/03/23 12:57:08 PM
#236:


Oh hey. Can we be smart here. Mass claim please. Supposedly all top power is claimed. Let's get everyone on the board here.

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:57:29 PM
#237:


Lopen posted...
and weren't using stuff like "ultra town" and ignoring my arguments and failing to present strong alternatives

as a scum tactic

darn no editing

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Lopen
04/03/23 12:57:44 PM
#238:


Corrik7 posted...
Oh hey. Can we be smart here. Mass claim please. Supposedly all top power is claimed. Let's get everyone on the board here.

MASS.

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Kirby321
04/03/23 1:01:52 PM
#240:


Lopen posted...
Kirby I'm sorry you think I'm a crackpot legitimately and weren't using stuff like "ultra town" and ignoring my arguments and failing to present strong alternatives

Prove yourself by lynching the clearly safelist doctor claim Plum. We can crack this game wide open. It will be glorious.

Here's the problem Lopen... I think Isquen is telling the truth, and Corrik has not convinced me at all.

Corrik said to lynch the unclaimed... and he hasn't even claimed yet.
Even if Corrik is actually Town, he hasn't convinced me that Plum is scum. His entire argument sums up as "just trust me bro", and after that stunt he pulled on Isquen, hypocritically calling him antitown, I'm very much not inclined to trust Corrik.

No uncountered Watcher
No uncountered Cop
No uncountered Doctor

So why are we trying to lynch any of them? There could be a huge Illuminati underground conspiracy theory thing going on, and if you're actually 100% right, I'll be amazed. But right now, I'm choosing to go with the simplest explanation, and that is to not lynch the uncountered power.

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Peace___Frog
04/03/23 1:02:13 PM
#241:


Kirby321 posted...
I don't get why you and Plum automatically jumped to Serial Killer.
Iirc plum's first reaction was Strongman or vig.

I agree with lopen that if abacus still has internet issues then ctes may want to consider a replacement. But isquen said he'd be gone for a while after he claimed, so it's really disingenuous to say that he's lying just because he suddenly left, or however you phrased it.

Gonna be honest, my head is kind of spinning a bit with these "if x then a but if x and y then b or maybe c" kind of arguments that are going on. I need to take a walk and reread because what the fuck.

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Peace___Frog
04/03/23 1:02:59 PM
#243:


Lopen posted...
MASS.
Nilla

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Corrik7
04/03/23 1:03:33 PM
#244:


Peace___Frog posted...
Iirc plum's first reaction was Strongman or vig.

I agree with lopen that if abacus still has internet issues then ctes may want to consider a replacement. But isquen said he'd be gone for a while after he claimed, so it's really disingenuous to say that he's lying just because he suddenly left, or however you phrased it.

Gonna be honest, my head is kind of spinning a bit with these "if x then a but if x and y then b or maybe c" kind of arguments that are going on. I need to take a walk and reread because what the fuck.
Or you can just claim.

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Kirby321
04/03/23 1:04:12 PM
#245:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


So you don't actually have an argument on me and want to lynch me just because

I know you can do better than that, Lea.

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Peace___Frog
04/03/23 1:05:07 PM
#246:


Corrik7 posted...
Or you can just claim.
I did.

Doesn't help us sort out any power meta shenanigans

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Corrik7
04/03/23 1:06:22 PM
#248:


Peace___Frog posted...
I did.

Doesn't help us sort out any power meta shenanigans
Do you think every last person left will claim vanilla? 2 are already flipped.

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Lopen
04/03/23 1:06:56 PM
#249:


Kirby321 posted...
So why are we trying to lynch any of them? There could be a huge Illuminati underground conspiracy theory thing going on, and if you're actually 100% right, I'll be amazed. But right now, I'm choosing to go with the simplest explanation, and that is to not lynch the uncountered power.

Because simple analysis of play and not playing like a coward says the following

Plum has played like scum
Isquen has not played like town watcher would be expected to at any point, and his choice to claim quickly is further reinforced by the detail that scum knows I am cop

With Lea as scum you can't afford to let this just sit-- if Corrik and I are removed from the board no one in town is positioned to actually lead us to correct lynches.

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ViolentAbacus
04/03/23 1:07:58 PM
#250:


Two very aggravating service calls (that I will definitely either complain about in DTC or at the end of the game), and a tech later and a new modem has been installed.

So

##Unvote: Plum

I agree with Lea, we shouldn't just kill uncountered power. At least while Corrik is being so coy.

I find it amusing that Corrik wants a mass claim, when he still hasn't fully claimed, but I'll go along with it because so many power roles are revealed, and because I would rather Lea not waste her special, if she has one, on me.

Zafina, townie vanilla. No idea anything about them, as I've never played Tekken.

I'm on page 5 of topic 4 right now.

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