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Maya might be a best choice for a new AA character. She is Phoenix's companion in UMvC3, correct? Still wouldn't expect her to do any better than Edgeworth, though.
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I'm so sorry for posting this.
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Lol at Mega Slowbro... now it's completely devoured...

Gotta vote for Slowbro, though.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Wow haste bringing out the hate what has the world come to.

There's a reason people call me Hate2 by accident sometimes.
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In the original SSB or Melee, I say all stages and items are fine. Of course, for serious tournament play, no items and only a few of the stages.

In Brawl and Smash 4... ehhhh... I just prefer not to play those games at all. It just gets way too crazy without excluding smash balls and those ridiculous stages.
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wg64Z posted...

Haste_2 posted...

You haven't missed out on much. The storyline is good, but 90% of the time is spent on subpar gameplay in badly designed worlds. I regret ever playing the first two games, in hindsight.

This is the most ass backwards comment on Kingdom Hearts I've ever read.

Fine. The storyline is bad, AND the gameplay is bad. Happy now?
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You haven't missed out on much. The storyline is good, but 90% of the time is spent on subpar gameplay in badly designed worlds. I regret ever playing the first two games, in hindsight.
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Link/Cloud 2003 by default because I HATE Mario/Crono 2003!
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Mario/Cloud was great. It was the second nailbiter we've had and it was the first example of an outside rally. But Link/Cloud was better because it shattered people's 100% confidence in the supposedly unstoppable champ.
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LeonhartFour posted...

people were surprised because we didn't realize RacistFAQs was a thing yet and Vercetti finished well above Ness in the 2004 X-Stats

It was people's own stupidity to not consider Ness. RacistFAQs is a lame excuse when there were so many other things worth talking about... (His picture was a bit unrecognizable, so at least there's one possible reason CJ could have won.) I mean, Niko Bellic didn't come close to matching Vercetti either. But yeah, as you mentioned, it's suprising that some people thought Ness's raw x-stat was indicative of his strength, while completely ignoring that Ness nearly matched Scorpion's performance (though people said that Scorpion must have dropped a bunch or something).

What's interesting is that If Auron really was a smidge above Zero at that time based on their common opponent (Scorpion), Ness could have gotten has much as 48% on Vercetti in 2004! In fact, I think this result would have been more likely than, say, 43% on Vercetti. Add in the 2005 Nintendo boost (a "favorite developer" poll foreshadowed this), and the fact that CJ simply didn't seem as loved and iconic as Vercetti, and now suddenly Ness beating CJ seems like a real possibility. ...but everyone just ignored all that, of course. After all, Ness must be high fodder at best!

To this day I still wonder if Auron really was stronger in 2003/2004 than in 2005...alas, we will never know... (perfect example of my ancient x-stats nerdiness)
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MKDS is the only Mario Kart game that I think has truly fun additional 1-player modes. I haven't played enough 7 or 8, so I don't know about what you can do in those games. I also found it very fun in MKDS to try to beat all the staff ghosts, because they were reasonably difficult...not too hard, not too easy, for the most part.
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I would say the SNES Mario Kart is the worst one. It's balanced, sure, but it's not very fun. And this is coming from someone who used to LOVE Super Mario Kart way back in the day... but these days I just don't enjoy it. I guess it hasn't aged well.

64 > Double Dash > Wii > Super in terms of fun. I haven't played enough of MK8 to know where to place that one, except I would definitely put it over the Wii mersion. As far as handheld Mario Karts, the DS version is by far the most fun to me, and I would put that over everything except 64. (Assuming people don't break the game by snaking...ugh.)

And yeah, MK64 is the least balanced, and 4-player will always be unfair to somebody, but I don't care! Still fun as heck. I love the airheadedness of the characters' behaviors, how far you get knocked by shells, etc.
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Both are pretty good matches. I gotta go with Snake/Sephiroth, because it was the first 1-on-1 match where Clinkeroth lost to somebody that wasn't Clinkeroth. Pretty significant historically.

Luigi/Kirby was good too because it made us re-think some of the supposed Nintendo hierarchies.
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I haven't been on this board for a couple of weeks....

Yes! Apollo Justice won again! What is that other piece...hmmm.... it's actually pretty decent. I'm surprised AJ won against that. I guess people didn't like how calm it was or something?
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I figure Crash and Spyro had already hit their nostalgia peak in 2013, so I don't think they'd do any better these days. (Pokemon peaked in 2009 or so)

Hmm... how well would Spyro do against Crash before SFF, I wonder? Crash gets approximately 30% on Sephiroth through Kirby... and Spyro got 29% on Sephiroth? Ehhh, that's way too close. lol x-stats, huh?

Crash vs. Morrigan - who would you take? Actually... Crash should win that one. I had forgotten how close Spyro got to Morrigan...
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Ness/CJ, because it was probably the only massive upset I ever correctly predicted with my conservative bracket-making.
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Or maybe we could run two contests with the same bracket.... one contests involves all voters, as normal. The other one involves just votes from GameFAQs accounts. That would satisfy me, at least. I never expect that to happen, though

As for how it would work... I'm not sure what the best way to do that would be. The first round you could combine both results in the results screen, but when the matches differ in the following rounds... I guess two different polls would have to be done.
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Well, MycroProcessor no doubt feels the same way about those music contests (Me, too... and lots of other guys) and he's one of the most talented musicians on Board 8!

No doubt that musical training can change one's musical tastes over time, but it really just boils down to "everyone has different tastes and everyone is entitled to different opinions".
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That's just fine. (oh, yeah, and I didn't actually mean it when I said you were lacking in judgment.. all opinions count, regardless of musical training)
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Is there anything popular in the series you would rank low, Leonhart? Or does your opinion exactly match the consensus?

...and that is why you shouldn't just stop reading the list.
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Well, I am very musically talented, so it just might be your lack of judgment!

I'm not expecting everyone to like the rankings...I should have just started with #1 rather than #100. ~_~
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OrangeCrush980 posted...

Natwaf_akidna posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

Pork >>>>>>>>>>>> Beef >>>>>>>>>>>> Chicken

This

This.

Just kidding about the reversal. (It is one of my talents, after all.)
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Some of you may remember me doing a "Top 50 Ace Attorney Music" topic a couple years ago. Well.. I re-ranked them. I feel MUCH better about these new rankings...and the list has been expanded to 100, too.

If any of you are interested:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/180648-phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-spirit-of-justice/76470480
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TLeonhartFour posted...

3-3 investigation day 1 complete!

It's kinda weird that in a game where Mia is essentially the deuteragonist, her only appearance in 3-3 is invoked fanservice by Maya to break Kudo.

The moral of case 3-3: If you like 19-year-olds you are a pedophile.
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Oh too bad. Hope Botanic Panic does better.

Don't worry, it won't. ~_~ (nobody likes jazz)
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I'm a bookkeeper, so I pretty much only use concepts from my introductory accounting classes... but hey, I'm severely affected by autism, so it was the best I could do job-wise. (and no way in heck will I consider a master's in accounting, because I could never do a management level job) At least it's a comfortable living for a guy who's single.
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Yup.
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Castle of Illusions (Phantasmagoria)... I guess?
Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke, I guess...it's annoying, but it's better than that generic one.
Apollo Justice ~ A New Chapter of Trials! 2016

MycroProcessor was right about the tracks being below average today, thought I do disagree with his opinion on Apollo Justice.
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At night. I can't stand the thought of getting up 15 minutes earlier. Also, I like to shower before singing or playing my trumpet because it makes my body more relaxed.

And I also get really short haircuts so I don't have to worry about my hair in the morning.
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Because it's not that good outside of the actual melody (which is fantastic, by the way). But it takes more than just a good melody. That's why I vastly prefer remixes of Terra.
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Beneath the Mask - at first I was mad that so many were voting against JUSS, but then I listened to this and thought it was better, heh...
Battle Against a True Hero...meh, Terra's theme is nice, but I can't believe some consider it GOAT for the series, and it even made #1 on a submitted top 10! There are some very EXCELLENT remixes of Terra, though....
Zero
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Battletoads.

Just kidding. Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations.
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I can't read. I only read the topic title. A 1-seed lost in the first round?!
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Corrik posted...

Haste_2 posted...

The Noble Nine is not undefeated in 1 vs. 1 matches. Crono lost to MissingNo. (Unless you only count 24-hour matches.) Why not count the 12-hour matches?

Who had the more impressive streak: NCAA #1s (135-0) or the Noble Nine (124-0)?

My mistake. It was easy to misinterpet that, because in NCAA's case there was never a loss.
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The 1-seed basketball teams, because they actually have to put in effort. Character matches are merely popularity contests...

The Noble Nine is not undefeated in 1 vs. 1 matches. Crono lost to MissingNo. (Unless you only count 24-hour matches.) Why not count the 12-hour matches?
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1 Haste_2 | Phoenix Wright: Spirit of Justice - Apollo Justice ~ A New Chapter of Trials! 2016 |

2 Haste_2 | Final Fantasy V - Unknown Lands |

3 Haste_2 | Phoenix Wright: Trials & Tribulations - Trial 2004 |
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Methinks Auron would have beaten L-Block easily without it, looking at the first 10 minutes.
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You need Vivi in there. VIvi didn't do so hot in the earlier four-ways contests, so I think we ought to give Vivi the benefit of the doubt. Plus, FFIX's greatly improved performance in 2015 only reinforces the argument of Vivi 2013 being legit. Vincent probably doesn't deserve "near-elite" status anymore...

Squall
Vivi
Tifa
Auron
Sora
Vincent

I just can't put Tifa over Squall, despite her looking stronger in the previous contest. Auron losing to L-Block... I still can't believe that happened....

Edit: it is true that Vivi clearly benefitted from his round 2 upset... but he was 7 percentage points higher than Squall. Knuckles probably gained 5-6% on Squall after upsetting Magus... And I suppose it's possible that Vivi's upset took more notice to voters, due to the low vote totals....hmmm.... maybe I'll put Vivi below Squall, then.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

I think we pretty much saw that Vincent had dropped in 2013.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5156-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-1-kos-mos-vs-dunban-vs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5229-character-battle-ix-division-2-round-2-phoenix-vs-vincent-vs

At the time people blamed Phoenix > Vincent on the hilarious picture, and that probably contributed, but look at his earlier match. 60% on KOS-MOS in 2013 is just not a near-elite level performance and that's assuming you don't try to argue Xeno-LFF or something. KOS-MOS is probably around the fodder-line at best so yeah that looks pretty damn bad for Vincent!

Also, if you look at Phoenix's round 1 performance, he got 55% on Marth. I don't think very many folks would take KOS-MOS over Marth these days. As crazy as it sounds, Vincent may have been around Phoenix's level regardless of the picture. Keep in mind that Phoenix (and Marth) may have been as strong as ever in 2013. And it makes it seem much more likely that Vincent wasn't SFFed by Sephiroth in the 2010 character contest.

Would any of you take Vincent over Tifa these days?
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LeonhartFour posted...

also I like that Franziska embraces spirit channeling right away

the picture of Maya channeling Mia is one of the better dirty tricks in the series

But Phoenix Wright proves that spirit-channeling is a sham! What a foolish fool Franziska is.
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I originally supported Botanic Panic.

I will now support the other one, as well.

+ Cuphead | Floral Fury |
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As characters:
Magus > Frog > Crono > Robo > Ayla > Lucca > Marle

Favorite to use in battle:
Frog > Robo > Crono > Magus > Ayla > Marle > Lucca

I would most like to see Crono in Smash Bros, though.
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Is this the first CT character poll we've had?
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I don't think I'd take Sonic over Sephiroth, but I might take Crono or Mega Man over Sephiroth.

LeonhartFour posted...

I mean Sephiroth was directly affected by a double rally in that Draven/Mewtwo match you keep mentioning

but regardless the CBIX X-Stats predict 65/35 for Sephiroth

boom

Whoops! Wasn't thinking clearly. I need you to keep me in line, as usual. =P And yes, you are correct about 2013 being BY FAR the worst contest as far as measuring characters.

At first I was thinking the contest might have been worse if it had been four-way....but, probably not. For one thing, three-way LFF is worse than 4-way with only two characters leeching each other. Secondly, the four-way contests had something VERY useful for determining character strength... the fact that two winners would move on in each round.

2013's character contest is absolutely 100% useless as far as x-stats go, which is why I never used x-stats in my argument.. But I still say three-way predicts two-way matches significantly better than four-way as far as consistent performances go, assuming no leeching or SFF. I would rather go with 2013 results than 2010 x-stats. That's because I think there would has been less change in characters' strength between 2013 and 2018 than between 2010 and 2013... and that is because the vote totals dropped like crazy between '10 and '13.

Yes...NW is correct. We need a character contest! This year! 128 character contest, with 12-hour matches! (no simultaneous polls, plz...b/c of the stupid rally spillover)
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Tifa and Sephiroth weren't affected by rallies or LFF that much. Mewtwo benefitted from the general Pokemon rallying, true.
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I consider the three-way character contest to have more reliable results than the four-way contests, as least...

It seems nobody in the topic likes to discuss major upsets and not even entertain the thought on them. But people have been positive about match results and missed them, anyway... which is the entire reason I like to discuss "impossible" contest results.

But I'll finish the opposite side of the argument, anyway.

First off, all of Tifa's good results can be called into question. First of all, Tifa/Samus/L-Block in the last contest. Now recall that Tifa overperformed against Samus in the female character contest. While the picture was obviously a big factor in that, could it be that Tifa just has a tendency to overperform against Samus regardless? Samus' strength could be called in question based on Snake/Samus/Draven, too. She clearly underperformed, but how close is she to Snake, really?

Secondly, Tifa's other good performances were against female characters... she could have SFF'd Yuna. And maybe she overperformed against Chun Li, too. Finally, Tifa's performance on Dragonborn...yikes, that doesn't look good. Dragonborn failed to 60/40 Tom Nook, of all characters.

Also, in Sephiroth's favor is that he put in a similar situation as Samus, in that Sephiroth was the 3rd place character in a Draven match. Thus, it's very likely Sephiroth underperformed in that match and is closer to Mewtwo in true strength than the match suggests.

Finally, it's been five years now, and I think FF7 anti-voting is starting to decrease...maybe... I honestly don't know.... But if that's the case, I'm sure Sephiroth will have gained ground Tifa. Regardless, I feel way worse about taking Tifa over Sephiroth today than back in 2013.
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I will go over weaknesses of my argument, as well... later.
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You're no fun, Leonhart. You could at least point out that something that is compelling instead of nitpick one thing. And I'm not asking you to believe or even consider Tifa > Sephiroth!

You can take Pokemon and Draven out of the equation and Tifa still looks better than Sephiroth multiple times. I never said Aerith was ever stronger than Tifa... just that I'm angry that Tifa is stronger than Aerith!
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Okay...let me adjust the question...could Tifa have beaten Sephiroth in 2013?

The whole point of that question stemmed from the fact that Cloud and Sephiroth both dropped like crazy between 2010 and 2013 (Vincent, too... and most likely Aeris)...

Now you might say that Tifa MUST have dropped a bunch if the others did.... however, if you look at Tifa has performed between 2005 and 2010... she didn't' drop. Cloud and Sephiroth did during the span of time. Tifa improved monumentally against Sephiroth, too... it's true that one match was four ways and the other was not, but the improvement was HUGE.... What I'm trying to say is that the momentum of popularity change favored Tifa over the other characters.....whether it's due to TJF, I really can't say.

Let's move on to 20013 matches.

Tifa definitely looked stronger than Sephiroth then... 45% on Samus. Sephiroth got 42% on Mewtwo. Mewtwo is a monster these days, but stronger than Samus? Nah.

Perhaps Sephiroth underperformed in the Draven match due to Mewtwo stealing the Draven anti-votes or something, and L-Block does seem to have a little overlap with Nintendo characters?

Sadly, those performances are also consistent with the earlier rounds.... Tifa got 64% on Yuna and 70% on Chun Li, while Sephiroth got 53% on Kirby, 57% on Big Boss, and 66% on Morrigan. Come on now... It doesn't look like Tifa deteriorated at ALL... but I like Aeris so much more than Tifa, so the data had BETTER be wrong....grrrrrrrr, Tifa.....how dare you be so strong...

Finally, hierarchy changes indeed happen.... we saw Bowser beat Yoshi with 56%. Yoshi beat Luigi the next year. In 2009, Luigi goes and beats Bowser.

Guess what other match was a 56/44 result in 2010? Sephiroth vs. Tifa!

Come on, you've got to give Tifa a 1% shot against Sephiroth, at least!
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So... Tifa vs. Sephiroth... would you dare take Tifa in a contest match?
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