Current Events > So the only knock on Biden is his age?

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And Republicans want to vote for a guy that is just as old as him?

Nah, he's also got a stutter, which is apparently worse than having no grip on reality.

Biden would be more relatable if he had a treasonous mob seige Congress, tbh. He's such a slacker.

actually after last night he's too energetic. we gotta get trump back in there to cool things down

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

So vote for a guy that says to finish the problem?

Don't vote for this 81 year old, vote for this 78 year old!

There are many reasons to knock/mock Biden (age, lack of charisma, being a "status quo" politician, and not speaking smoothly even if that's kind of fucked up since it stems from a speaking-related disability), but I have yet to hear any legitimate policy reason why someone should withhold their vote for him in the general election.

I actually disagree with biden not having charisma. He's a personable guy. Most people who meet and talk to him dont have a bad thing to say about him.

Now I get that charisma is subjective, but I personally think that's a part of charisma.

LoZguy709 posted...

There are many reasons to knock/mock Biden (age, lack of charisma, being a "status quo" politician, and not speaking smoothly even if that's kind of fucked up since it stems from a speaking-related disability), but I have yet to hear any legitimate policy reason why someone should withhold their vote for him in the general election.

he's a smoother Obama policy wise (I typed it) but he's old and boring so people hate him lol, the Trump era successfully dumbed down a country with a ton of absolute dummies further so this is where we are at now in our great nation.

ClayGuida posted...

I actually disagree with biden not having charisma. He's a personable guy. Most people who meet and talk to him dont have a bad thing to say about him.

Now I get that charisma is subjective, but I personally think that's a part of charisma.

Ok, you're right that he has charisma or at least when he's on his game, but relatively, he doesn't ignite as much passion in his voter base as Obama or Sanders, which is something I think his campaign team will be trying to mitigate the best they can.

coolboy11 posted...

he's a smoother Obama policy wise (I typed it) but he's old and boring so people hate him lol, the Trump era successfully dumbed down a country with a ton of absolute dummies further so this is where we are at now in our great nation.

Considering he's gotten a more divided government than Obama inherited, I think he's shown himself a stronger candidate than Obama in terms of actually getting things through Congress. Then again, a lot of people (or at least their constituents) had it out for Obama for... reasons.

Pretty much

LoZguy709 posted...

Ok, you're right that he has charisma or at least when he's on his game, but relatively, he doesn't ignite as much passion in his voter base as Obama or Sanders, which is something I think his campaign team will be trying to mitigate the best they can.

Well that's because he's old as shit. Bernie has far more passion, but he's also been an activist for his whole life. But at the same time that's also why I'm team Gavin for 2028, because he's not afraid to attack Republicans and point out their hypocrisy, while also elevating the Democratic platform. People hate Gavin because he's corporate, but also ignore how liberal California has gotten since he took over, and how many amazing programs they've installed. He's not perfect, but he definitely has the fiery passion and charm to court voters while also sticking it to Republicans at every turn. Plus he's not afraid to confront them face to face, like having a debate on Fox against DeSantis. Who else from the party would have the balls to not just do that, but also completely school them in the process.

I will say Biden definitely was regarded as cool during the Obama Presidency, there were memes galore of them. That's why people wanted him to be Dark Brandon so much, to recapture that feeling he brought.

Biden, while being VP, felt like he actually mattered, unlike Kamala now, Pence before her, or even Cheney, though Cheney was basically the devil pulling the strings.

they both look like they belong in a senior citizen's home. even if one is far FAR worse than the other...

There are a couple of knocks against him. Nothing that compares to the knocks against Trump -- not the least of which is being a literal insurrectionist.

In a normal election, I think Biden would be a joke candidate. But with Trump, it's a race to the bottom. The Democrat party wants the least awful candidate who won't shake up the status quo (i.e. move the nation the length of a mouse's pinky-toe toward socialism). And Trump's celebrity outside of politics means that Democrats need a name candidate. Trump is famous for being a rich asshole. Biden is famous for being the vice president of Barack Obama.

ClayGuida posted...

Well that's because he's old as shit. Bernie has far more passion, but he's also been an activist for his whole life. But at the same time that's also why I'm team Gavin for 2028, because he's not afraid to attack Republicans and point out their hypocrisy, while also elevating the Democratic platform. People hate Gavin because he's corporate, but also ignore how liberal California has gotten since he took over, and how many amazing programs they've installed. He's not perfect, but he definitely has the fiery passion and charm to court voters while also sticking it to Republicans at every turn. Plus he's not afraid to confront them face to face, like having a debate on Fox against DeSantis. Who else from the party would have the balls to not just do that, but also completely school them in the process.

I will say Biden definitely was regarded as cool during the Obama Presidency, there were memes galore of them. That's why people wanted him to be Dark Brandon so much, to recapture that feeling he brought.

Biden, while being VP, felt like he actually mattered, unlike Kamala now, Pence before her, or even Cheney, though Cheney was basically the devil pulling the strings.

I'm just saying that young and less traditionally involved voters don't get the same level of engagement they may have been used to with the Obama and Sanders campaigns. To some extent, I think we've regressed as a society in that we so many voters seem to not be able stomach the though of a traditional "boring" president.

Funny enough, I thought Biden was more of a clutz when he was VP (in large part because that's what other people said of him too admittedly). I think his time serving as President have reflected that he can very competently do the job (also considering the precedent set immediately before him...)

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

You simplify the issue and I disagree with your statement, that Biden "actively supports" a genocide. Whether it's a genocide or not has not been determined yet. Horrible crimes happened, yes, on both sides by the way, but genocide is something entirely different than war crimes. You also need to consider the complexity and longevity of the conflict there. It is not so easy as you and others think it is, especially considering that jews themselves were and are often targeted of crimes. Biden supports the only thing that could possibly lead to a peaceful future: a two state solution. That's something. It needs time. It needs efforts from both sides. It's probably not possible before Netanyahu is gone, but time will tell.
Peace can be achieved one day, I want go believe that. But it is necessary to understand the situation and fears of both sides. Villifying only one side while forgetting what Hamas did to innocents too isn't helping anyone. Both sides need to work on a peaceful solution, everything else only leads to more conflicts.
Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas support, while Israel needs to stop attacking Gaza and agree with a two party solution (as Biden suggested). That would be a start.

TMOG posted...

Nah, he's also got a stutter, which is apparently worse than having no grip on reality.

More than that he sometimes says some random weird shit sometimes he acts like he doesn't even know where he is.

Trumps not too much better. Trump seems more aware on a regular basis but it seems his mind has went in a different way.

I feel there should be a age cap for politicians. And for more reasons than this. I feel we shouldn't be letting people who are gonna be gone soon getting to fuck around with the world we still gotta live in for a long time.

The entire half year so far has been a knock on Biden frankly, so hard that it alone probably puts him at the bottom tier of presidents in out history.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

More than that he sometimes says some random weird shit sometimes he acts like he doesn't even know where he is.

Trumps not too much better. Trump seems more aware on a regular basis but it seems his mind has went in a different way.

I feel there should be a age cap for politicians. And for more reasons than this. I feel we shouldn't be letting people who are gonna be gone soon getting to fuck around with the world we still gotta live in for a long time.

This is such hilarious, unmitigated bullshit.

Might also be the genocide he's enabling and being a staunch neoliberal, but I'm sure just pretending problems don't exist is a winning strategy. Democrats are all about "praagmatism" after all.

Democrats either dont care about winning elections or theyre gambling that supporting the genocide will cost them fewer votes than opposing it will. If the latter is true, the sad thing is theyre probably right.

ThunderTrain posted...

So vote for a guy that says to finish the problem?

The question posed in your topic is Is this the only knock on Biden? The answer to that question is no.

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

People who have taken this position:

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

If the other guy wins, dollars to donuts we will be an active participant.

The only bad things with Biden, are way worse with Trump

Well...here's the frustrating thing.

Every knock on Biden can be countered by the very real and honest fact that any republican, and especially Donald Trump would be far worse.

• Funding Palestinian genocide - Trump or any generic republican would be worse
• Inaction on climate change - Trump or any generic republican are literally against the science and denying reality
• Pushing renewable energy - Trump or any generic republican would be worse
• A fair tax system - Trump or any generic republican would be worse
• Forgiving student debt - Trump or any generic republican would be worse
• Police violence and oversight - Trump or any generic republican would be worse

Then you have positions where Biden has a mixed but overall good track record like labor rights, and is on the right side of the issue completely like with LGBTQ civil rights.

Torgo posted...

Well...here's the frustrating thing.

Every knock on Biden can be countered by the very real and honest fact that any republican, and especially Donald Trump would be far worse.

Only as much as "But this other restaurant is rated one star" is a counter to "This restaurant has a 2 star rating on yelp, I don't wanna go there"

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Only as much as "But this other restaurant is rated one star" is a counter to "This restaurant has a 2 star rating on yelp, I don't wanna go there"

no, it's the difference between eating at a two star restaurant and eating at the restaurant from The Menu

Having a D and their entire cabinet in office is more important than the one specific person at top. It doesn't get pointed out as much because it just encourages Republicans that hate Trump to just vote R anyway...

I mean, providing weapons to a nation attempting to carry out a genocide isn't exactly a nothingburger... And yes, Trump would do worse, but that just means neither should be supported.

And it especially means no one should be voting for him in primaries where Trump is not a candidate.

Trumble posted...

but that just means neither should be supported.

But one of them is 100% going to be our next president.

Trumble posted...

I mean, providing weapons to a nation attempting to carry out a genocide isn't exactly a nothingburger... And yes, Trump would do the same if not worse, but that just means neither should be supported.

you can't say Trump would do the 'same or worse' when it's common knowledge Trump would be far worse

thronedfire2 posted...

you can't say Trump would do the 'same or worse' when it's common knowledge Trump would be far worse

Fair; edited my post.

Topic title sounds just as naive as a Republican saying "So the only knock on Trump is his tweets?"

God_of_6strings posted...

Topic title sounds just as naive as a Republican saying "So the only knock on Trump is his tweets?"

Except people rarely brought up his tweets because nobody gave a shit because they were too busy talking about all the heinous shit he was actually doing.

FolkenRawr posted...

This is such hilarious, unmitigated bullshit.

Trump seeming more aware most of the time to me makes it worse. As in he means what he says and it's not just a gaffe or whatever.

shockthemonkey posted...

So like a very obvious and worthwhile argument when discussing a binary choice?

You could also not vote.

AI Biden is better

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

He has actively been trying to get our ally, who we cannot disavow for many serious (albeit shitty) world politics reasons, to stop doing so much genocide, within the confines of what he can personally do. Its the republicans that support the genocide unequivocally.

Even if Biden DID support it, Trump would support it just as much, if not more so. So youve just put us back at square one.

Ooooooranges posted...

I mean he's actively supporting a genocide but you can conveniently ignore that if you want.

No let's not ignore that. Just remember that there is no option that leads to ending that genocide. Not in this election cycle.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Only as much as "But this other restaurant is rated one star" is a counter to "This restaurant has a 2 star rating on yelp, I don't wanna go there"

In this scenario you HAVE to choose one of those two restaurants. Not choosing just means the other people with you have to choose instead, from those two. Given that situation, thats a very useful counter. The choice is obvious. You pick the 2 star.

ButteryMales posted...

You could also not vote.

Ah yes, leading to.. one of the two outcomes anyways, and probably the worse one because the bigots and zealots who want society to be worse for everyone but them and their fascist leader arent going to not vote out of some principle.

What amazing advice. Next youll be telling people to simply not choose if they cant decide between bread and literal dogshit being force-fed to them.

Zonbei posted...

Ah yes, leading to.. one of the two outcomes anyways, and probably the worse one because the bigots and zealots who want society to be worse for everyone but them and their fascist leader arent going to not vote out of some principle.

What amazing advice. Next youll be telling people to simply not choose if they cant decide between bread and literal dogshit being force-fed to them.

Yeah but at least he'll get to have a clear conscience.
Undeservedly of course and he should be called out on it every day for the rest of his life, but a clear conscience nonetheless.