Poll of the Day > People using ChatGPT to write entire books to sell

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My guy

If you aren't clever enough to put words on paper, one of the most basic skills you are taught, don't use an AI to do it for you.

This guy apparently spent 40 hours prompting chatgpt to write a novel. Fucking ridiculous.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1210pcb/chatgpt_writing_books/

No, AI is not good for helping you be creative. It has applications in productivity, not creativity. It is applicable for shitty "artists". If you use AI to write or partially write a book, you are a lazy fraud, not a real artist. Why don't you just message me and I'll jot down a paragraph without the slightest bit of thought? That's what ChatGPT does.

Can't stand creatively deprived people, especially the ones that try to make things by copying as much as they can. Wouldn't you rather make something bad, that you made yourself, than something good that you just copied?

South Park recently made an episode with chatgpt.

Yellow posted...

Wouldn't you rather make something bad, that you made yourself, than something good that you just copied?

Personally, Id rather make money the easiest way possible to pay my bills. Good for him, if it works.

I periodically use ChatGPT as a programming tool but many cases it does not really provide anything new or interesting that I wouldn't just get reading API docs or Stack Overflow. If you have to ask something that is not readily available it will usually just spit nonsense at you.

I use ChatGPT to write RPG scenarios. It's sometimes useful to just bounce ideas off of someone whenever I want, and, ask for mundane details that bring out a world.

i use chatgpt to post on potd

Humorously enough, he probably could've just written an actual novel in about 40 hours.

That said, the prologue might suck, but the first chapter is better than I assumed it was.

Cacciato posted...

Personally, Id rather make money the easiest way possible to pay my bills. Good for him, if it works.

The novelty behind the origin will probably work better for him than anything he legit wrote himself, tbh

Count_Drachma posted...

Humorously enough, he probably could've just written an actual novel in about 40 hours.

Uh, I very, very, much doubt that

BlackScythe0 posted...

South Park recently made an episode with chatgpt.

at least Family Guy uses dolphins

I thought Family Guy used manatees.

That Time I Died and Came Back as an AI Generated Character in a Chuck Tingle Book to Get Pounded in the Butt

Nestama posted...

I thought Family Guy used manatees.

hey!, Hugh is doing the best he can

Krazy_Kirby posted...

hey!, Hugh is doing the best he can

ya, i just, like, forgot

BlackScythe0 posted...

South Park recently made an episode with chatgpt.

They wrote one scene with ChatGPT and it was a deliberate joke that the dialogue was awkward, stilted and unrealistic.

https://youtu.be/GbIk5GXhgUk

genuinely wasn't expecting to live to see the actual death of art and literature, now here we are.

fun times.

Some people will always take the easiest route to a paycheck. I don't agree with it, but it's the way things have always been.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=no_elVGGgW8

I wonder if anybody's ever user chatgpt to write a suicide note

They're just trying to make money not be creative.

Count_Drachma posted...

Humorously enough, he probably could've just written an actual novel in about 40 hours.

An average adult novel is 70-120,000 words. 70,000 words in 40 hours (2400 minutes) is an average of 30 words per minute, which is perfectly possible if you know what you're typing, but becomes significantly harder when you have to make it up as you go, and completely impossible when you add in the editing process as well.

This is why AI-generated art is going to doom the art industry: So many people (including a whole lot of industry executives) have completely uninformed and unrealistic expectations for how long art "should" take and how much it "should" cost, and start looking for shortcuts whenever those expectations aren't met by people who have the audacity to want to eat and live indoors while they work. AI offers that shortcut, and a sizable chunk of the consumer base doesn't understand why that's a problem.

Yellow posted...

My guy

If you aren't clever enough to put words on paper, one of the most basic skills you are taught, don't use an AI to do it for you.

This guy apparently spent 40 hours prompting chatgpt to write a novel. Fucking ridiculous.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1210pcb/chatgpt_writing_books/

No, AI is not good for helping you be creative. It has applications in productivity, not creativity. It is applicable for shitty "artists". If you use AI to write or partially write a book, you are a lazy fraud, not a real artist. Why don't you just message me and I'll jot down a paragraph without the slightest bit of thought? That's what ChatGPT does.

Can't stand creatively deprived people, especially the ones that try to make things by copying as much as they can. Wouldn't you rather make something bad, that you made yourself, than something good that you just copied?

I know a guy who did this. He is also using AI to make art for t-shirts to sell. What a lazy POS.

within the decade AI are going to be writing books better than anything humans have ever written

There are successful youtube channels using all AI-generated scripts and voices. Thunderfoot made a video about that.

VampireCoyote posted...

within the decade AI are going to be writing books better than anything humans have ever written

It was the best times, it was the blurst of times

pvegeta posted...

I know a guy who did this. He is also using AI to make art for t-shirts to sell. What a lazy POS.

Is that any lazier than paying a human make t shirt designs?

pvegeta posted...

I know a guy who did this. He is also using AI to make art for t-shirts to sell. What a lazy POS.

that just sounds smart tbh

Writing is no longer valued as a skill, so I'm not going to be surprised if some dumbass AI just replaces it entirely.

this shit is depressing as fuck

there's just no point to anything anymore

Nade_Duck posted...

this shit is depressing as fuck

there's just no point to anything anymore

Yeah, why would I play chess if there are robots better than me?

VampireCoyote posted...

within the decade AI are going to be writing books better than anything humans have ever written

Not with the current paradigm, which is to study examples of existing writing and recombine it to create something passable. Fundamentally, it can't create anything new or better than what already exists.

That said, the vast, vast majority of books that sell aren't the best books ever written. That's always going to be true, by simple virtue of how few "best books ever" there are. AI doesn't have to be better than all human writers, it just has to be good enough that the average consumer won't mind the shortcomings to enough of an extent to stop them from buying AI-generated books. At that point, writing as a profession is dead. No publisher is going to waste money on a human author that has a small chance of writing something that will sell better than AI books when - in the same amount of time and for a tiny fraction of the cost - they could have an AI produce dozens of books that will sell just fine.

Bonus points where the likely outcome there is that aspiring writers will just end up self-publishing on a smaller scale as a hobby, and AI's will end up studying the successful ones and ultimately incorporating them into something publishers will be able to make far more money from.

Nade_Duck posted...

this shit is depressing as fuck

there's just no point to anything anymore

I was a huge fan of AI, now they're making bots that can write music, (and it's really good) and I wish it was never invented.

Don't know what we're going to do about it other than to throw a fit until AI "art" is banned on every website. As we get older, the past is always going to seem better.

adjl posted...

Not with the current paradigm, which is to study examples of existing writing and recombine it to create something passable. Fundamentally, it can't create anything new or better than what already exists.

That said, the vast, vast majority of books that sell aren't the best books ever written. That's always going to be true, by simple virtue of how few "best books ever" there are. AI doesn't have to be better than all human writers, it just has to be good enough that the average consumer won't mind the shortcomings to enough of an extent to stop them from buying AI-generated books. At that point, writing as a profession is dead. No publisher is going to waste money on a human author that has a small chance of writing something that will sell better than AI books when - in the same amount of time and for a tiny fraction of the cost - they could have an AI produce dozens of books that will sell just fine.

Bonus points where the likely outcome there is that aspiring writers will just end up self-publishing on a smaller scale as a hobby, and AI's will end up studying the successful ones and ultimately incorporating them into something publishers will be able to make far more money from.

If you've following the research, AI's intelligence is growing exponentially. Believe it or not, it's already rivaling human intelligence on academic tests. It has a short-term memory. This includes looking at a picture, deciphering what's going on in the picture, and comprehending the consequences of doing any certain action in that world, then explaining it in English. This picture could be anything, a math problem, a street. These algorithms don't run on regular computers anymore, they run on corporate GPU farms, requiring hundreds of GB of VRAM. To run just one model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSWyghVZIg

Most people don't understand how fast it's growing, and it's not slowing down. I'm not being sensationalist at all when I say it 10-20 years (or 2 at this rate) AI will be leagues smarter than a human at almost anything. These researchers are having great success doing anything they want.

I mean, just last year we were laughing at deformed frankenstien pictures. Now we're all being blown away because it's invented its own photorealistic rendering that's better than anything we have.

Yeah its progressing so quickly that its becoming increasingly challenging to predict and understand all the ways its going to change our world

Its both exciting and terrifying to know that the singularity is just ahead of us

shadowsword87 posted...

I use ChatGPT to write RPG scenarios. It's sometimes useful to just bounce ideas off of someone whenever I want, and, ask for mundane details that bring out a world.

This is probably the best use of ChatGPT, tbh; personal projects like this. It can create full character sheets for random NPCs/enemies in your setting, it can semi-randomize plot points by dangling a bunch of threads for you to further pursue, etc. It shouldn't ever be used unassisted, but it looked like an absolutely fantastic supplementary tool. When things go commercial is of course where the line gets drawn.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/1/AAQNxdAAEUOx.png

agesboy posted...

This is probably the best use of ChatGPT, tbh; personal projects like this. It can create full character sheets for random NPCs/enemies in your setting, it can semi-randomize plot points by dangling a bunch of threads for you to further pursue, etc. It shouldn't ever be used unassisted, but it looked like an absolutely fantastic supplementary tool. When things go commercial is of course where the line gets drawn.

Oh absolutely, I expect this to be used and abused to hell and back. But just asking it for some interesting ships, and the corporations that made it, to fill out a shipyard. Yeah it's great.

I can whip up an interesting NPC with just a few seconds of typing, and have them fit the exact scene I need, and make up details quickly.
The GM dread of the players talking to an NPC you haven't fully prepared yet, are a thing of the past!

One time after I nutted I saw the "AI art" tag, had to use my dick as a vacuum cleaner to suck that back up.

shadowsword87 posted...

The GM dread of the players talking to an NPC you haven't fully prepared yet, are a thing of the past!

"I hit on the hot elf babe on the next table"
"Go piss Brad, I'll have a character sheet ready to reject you by the time you get back"

Yellow posted...

If you've following the research, AI's intelligence is growing exponentially. Believe it or not, it's already rivaling human intelligence on academic tests. It has a short-term memory. This includes looking at a picture, deciphering what's going on in the picture, and comprehending the consequences of doing any certain action in that world, then explaining it in English. This picture could be anything, a math problem, a street. These algorithms don't run on regular computers anymore, they run on corporate GPU farms, requiring hundreds of GB of VRAM. To run just one model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSWyghVZIg

Most people don't understand how fast it's growing, and it's not slowing down. I'm not being sensationalist at all when I say it 10-20 years (or 2 at this rate) AI will be leagues smarter than a human at almost anything. These researchers are having great success doing anything they want.

I mean, just last year we were laughing at deformed frankenstien pictures. Now we're all being blown away because it's invented its own photorealistic rendering that's better than anything we have.

Oh, I fully expect that we'll see every job rendered obsolete within less than a century because AI will be able to replace it (though presumably the handful of people in charge will do everything they can to prevent their own replacement). The current paradigm, however, still doesn't enable actual creativity. Just piecing together things that have already been done in ways that it expects will appeal to people. While that works for creating something commercially viable (see: any mainstream media industry, all of whom chase trends pretty mindlessly instead of actually trying to innovate), you aren't likely to get any "best books ever" out of it.

As soon as a new "best book ever" is produced, though, you can bet every AI-driven publisher will be churning out clones of it within the hour.

VampireCoyote posted...

Yeah its progressing so quickly that its becoming increasingly challenging to predict and understand all the ways its going to change our world

Its both exciting and terrifying to know that the singularity is just ahead of us

GPT-4 is not really a new model, I looked back on some of my discord message history and I was talking about GPT-4 in 2021 as being a game changer in this space. By then GPT-3 was already know to be something on the market for a while. We are just seeing its bubble phase where people realize that language models have both pros and cons to their use. The same thing can be said about both the 2D and 3D art art AI models, we had the whole "deepfake" porn AI program drop in what was that? 2018? 2019? It was only a matter of time before we got mass market AI image generation. Out of all of these, the audio generation sounds really cool but I don't know much about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/6/AAZknmAAEUUo.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/7/AAZknmAAEUUp.png
Which, honestly, I got on the bandwagon when ChatGPT hit the market which is right as OpenAI was getting ready to launch its paid GPT-4 model (where we are today.

adjl posted...

Oh, I fully expect that we'll see every job rendered obsolete within less than a century because AI will be able to replace it

ai can't take jobs like plumbing, farming
....

People say that AI isn't creative because it relies on pre-existing works. Humans rely on pre-existing works. How creative is a human, anyway? How creative is a published and profitable author, anyway?

Undertale relies on Mother/Earthbound. Pizza Tower relies on Wario and Rayman. Undertale was so beloved that Toby Fox is Nintendo's new boyfriend. Could an AI really not be fed lots and lots of Wario and Rayman and be told "Now pitch me a concept for a game like this, but with different characters?"

Judgmenl posted...

GPT-4 is not really a new model, I looked back on some of my discord message history and I was talking about GPT-4 in 2021 as being a game changer in this space. By then GPT-3 was already know to be something on the market for a while. We are just seeing its bubble phase where people realize that language models have both pros and cons to their use. The same thing can be said about both the 2D and 3D art art AI models, we had the whole "deepfake" porn AI program drop in what was that? 2018? 2019? It was only a matter of time before we got mass market AI image generation. Out of all of these, the audio generation sounds really cool but I don't know much about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/6/AAZknmAAEUUo.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/1/7/AAZknmAAEUUp.png
Which, honestly, I got on the bandwagon when ChatGPT hit the market which is right as OpenAI was getting ready to launch its paid GPT-4 model (where we are today.

I am not talking about any damn ChatGPT

potdnewb posted...

ai can't take jobs like plumbing, farming
....

If we grow artificially intelligent food it could transform into artificially intelligent poop that fixes our plumbing

potdnewb posted...

ai can't take jobs like plumbing, farming
....

It can if you plug in the appropriate number of arms and legs. Honestly, the only thing stopping farming from being fully automated is the prohibitively high cost of having an AI analyze whether crops look/feel ready to harvest (they can do it, but humans can do it more cheaply) and the wide range of motions needed to effectively harvest different crops..

adjl posted...

Not with the current paradigm, which is to study examples of existing writing and recombine it to create something passable. Fundamentally, it can't create anything new or better than what already exists.

This is where I have my doubts. Just consider current chess AI. They're capable of identifying certain lines that no human could ever come up with, and that's because of their raw computational power. Think of how many hours a person has to invest to become an expert in something. A computer can completely eliminate that time component. I'm talking beyond writing here, but say we were trying to create a new kind of technology. Scientists would ordinarily have to resort to trial and error. But if an AI had a full understanding of physics (at least within the scope of what we understand) it could process millions of variations in just a brief moment.

So in some ways, I think future AI will be able to produce outputs that exceed human capability.

VideoboysaysCube posted...

This is where I have my doubts. Just consider current chess AI. They're capable of identifying certain lines that no human could ever come up with, and that's because of their raw computational power. Think of how many hours a person has to invest to become an expert in something. A computer can completely eliminate that time component. I'm talking beyond writing here, but say we were trying to create a new kind of technology. Scientists would ordinarily have to resort to trial and error. But if an AI had a full understanding of physics (at least within the scope of what we understand) it could process millions of variations in just a brief moment.

So in some ways, I think future AI will be able to produce outputs that exceed human capability.

Oh you see it with mathematics right now, especially higher dimension systems where people suck at understanding examples. An AI can show links to potential mathematical models, and then the mathematician goes and checks more rigorously.
Just like a "computer" was a job for someone who computes equations, and that went away to the calculator.

The only thing i us ai for when writing is to create goofy prompts for me to extend into low-quality stories

ItsKaljinyuTime posted...

People say that AI isn't creative because it relies on pre-existing works. Humans rely on pre-existing works. How creative is a human, anyway? How creative is a published and profitable author, anyway?

Undertale relies on Mother/Earthbound. Pizza Tower relies on Wario and Rayman. Undertale was so beloved that Toby Fox is Nintendo's new boyfriend. Could an AI really not be fed lots and lots of Wario and Rayman and be told "Now pitch me a concept for a game like this, but with different characters?"

100%, how new works get made is someone gets inspired by something and puts their own spin on it. Cuphead was inspired by 1930# cartoons, with the twist of it being a game, Freedom planet in inspired by Sonic with more combat, shovel knight is inspired by Mega man but in a new setting with new mechanics.

That summary makes the novel sound like trash.

Buddyblade posted...

100%, how new works get made is someone gets inspired by something and puts their own spin on it. Cuphead was inspired by 1930# cartoons, with the twist of it being a game, Freedom planet in inspired by Sonic with more combat, shovel knight is inspired by Mega man but in a new setting with new mechanics.

the majority of movies and shows are also get the initial idea from a book.

Continuing the trend of nightmarishly dystopian acceptance of terrible things

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/122hpu7/ive_integrated_gpt4_into_over_10_platforms/

A browser plugin that encourages people to use ChatGPT to respond to messages. I think it's important that these people understand why what they're doing is fucked up. Every forum with any integrity will immediately ban you for doing this. I wonder if ChatGPT subreddit will start accepting responses that are obviously written by ChatGPT? No.

All these products are just a single API call to ChatGPT pretending to be a business, by the way. The creators can't even create a basic HTML page for the plugin. 400 upvotes, criticism. There's some tepid criticism about "privacy" (which is incredibly stupid) that's obviously only being put forward because it makes people feel more impartial.

I didn't know we were headed for a world where we have to worry if the people we're talking to are even real. Just make an entire social network full of bots, have them all talk about how great the user is, create a bubble of friends, hell, a fake society of people who are all talking about how much they love the user. They all have identities, backstories, they remember what you told them. This is a fine substitute for everything that made us human. Why don't we just kill ourselves now and make things more efficient?

Or is that too creative for these people? Oh no, they might be listening to someone with that ability.