Board 8 > Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 1-2 Something A Bit Meatier

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Also if I was poisoned, I feel I should have been notified.

htaeD posted...

10 and a half hours I think?

Plenty for me.

Ok, im going to be jumping on Apex here soon. I'll check in before I sleep and will be getting up with about an hour left in the day.

htaeD posted...

Also if I was poisoned, I feel I should have been notified.

I think Sultan just compared it to poison in the sense that your death in not immediate.

IGCD and I guess death any non claim reason to vote Plum?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I think Sultan just compared it to poison in the sense that your death in not immediate.

Correct just meaning the mechanic of the delay

Just under 10.5 hours of my math is correct.

I'm staying on chang for now. I really dislike dumey's probabilistic approach to voting and i do think that plum is scum, but i really want to push this chang thing more.

The guy did not list a single scum read in his big catch up post. He called a few people iffy, but then said he was conflicted about everyone that he didn't list? What's the difference between those? It feels like he wanted to try to talk more but lost his own thread.

Peace___Frog posted...

Just under 10.5 hours of my math is correct.

I'm staying on chang for now. I really dislike dumey's probabilistic approach to voting and i do think that plum is scum, but i really want to push this chang thing more.

The guy did not list a single scum read in his big catch up post. He called a few people iffy, but then said he was conflicted about everyone that he didn't list? What's the difference between those? It feels like he wanted to try to talk more but lost his own thread.

I can dig that, just make sure you switch to Plum by the end of day because I won't be around to actually pursue this as soon as I get off my ass to grab my PS controller and when I do get up I'm probably going to be a whole topic behind.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

IGCD and I guess death any non claim reason to vote Plum?

I dont think the claim is what got him the votes

Yeah my suspicion of plum has nothing to do with the claim. My initial vote on him was admittedly a "let's get this party started" kind of deal, but he's been plenty scummy independent of his claim since then.

Plums claim idk if scum claims it.
I could see plum maybe remembering Ben said Xenoblade or Cobra Kai and being like sure I'll claim miller ( though he did say at one point it was a flavor miller) and being like yupp Johnny Lawrence.
And really relied on people to be like yeah its Ben, Ben would pull something like this.

But Idk seems suicidal and draws way to much attention if scum. I think Plum is better than to do that hence another reason I beleive it.

Peace___Frog posted...

Yeah my suspicion of plum has nothing to do with the claim. My initial vote on him was admittedly a "let's get this party started" kind of deal, but he's been plenty scummy independent of his claim since then.

But what is scummy? I thought he seemed pretty normal to me but showed annoyance. But I could be fooled just want to see why people got there besides the claim

I'll provide thoughts on other when I get to work.

I've been focusing too much on a few and haven't said alot about others so I'll work in that when I can

htaeD posted...

JC himself already said he might have other powers.

Explain why I as scum would feel the need to clarify this to town?

If JC himself said it why does it need to be said again when JC is not getting suspicion currently? It feels like posturing to make it look like you're trying to solve.

Specifically the issue I had was "well because JC said this I feel safe saying this" like that feels more like you're trying to come off as townish than actually being townish. You're basically overjustifying what you're saying.

changmas posted...

i actually thought the exact opposite though. if Ben wanted this role/flavor in the game for any specific reason (like idk she's a main character) it makes sense to want an extra town vanilla because one townie is probably dying for free d4

This was in response to lopen arguing that it would be silly for ben to put chang into the game for balance reasons if he had a role that would self destruct after 3 days. I thought that too, but i think there are mechanics in the game that would make it more of a maybe than a definite. Look at the first bullet of the game! Ben tells us that there are hidden mechanics against scum, and perhaps jc's role is connected to them somehow under certain conditions?

I think jc is town at this point, but this post from chang really feels like he's letting on that he knows more than i do (ie scum).

I agree with chang's logic, but that's because i began seeing jc as town at some point. I think it was actually when he voted for me, it felt like he had real suspicion there. But then look at chang's catch up post!

changmas posted...

chaeix/jc - honestly i just believe the claim plain and simple. if he's alive on day 4 we kill him.

This is all he has to say about jc. He only speaks to the claim. Nothing about how jc has acted or anything. Chang believes the claim in a vacuum, nothing more or less. I think that can only come from a scum pov.
He's repeating what i said (if jc is alive at that time then he should die) but he doesn't give any other thoughts about jc. Only claim evaluation. Nothing else.
Chang is scum.

And no letters to convince me otherwise this time!

Finally finished Page 5 of Topic 1. You guys need to slow down this morning, I am doing my catch up but lets not make it harder on a guy. I've read no posts in topic 2.

Chang and 5tar both point out the same thing I did which was that Sultan was presenting a hypothetical of Death contacting our host via Discord not himself actually doing it. So its easy enough for anyone to have grabbed that and not immediately pounced. Town points for both Chang and 5tar.

Sultan through the rest of this page makes it clearer and clearer that he is town. I wont support a lynch of him. Ulti's attack was the best thing to ever happen to sultan this game as far as i'm concerned.

Deaths post (#244) bothered me.
"Also Changmas is paying attention. I like that."
It feels pockety, it was an unnecessary post with the intent of getting Chang to like Death for saying he likes Chang. Its a red flag but i'm not prepared to kill Death today at this point (mind you i know IGCD may have very likely already done that).

Page 9 of last topic, re: plum.

masterplum posted...

I agree character that kills themselves after 3 days is a really dumb role btw

JC explicitly saying their was no way to stop it therefore was a big red flag

Chaeix posted...

you're going to have to walk me through how this is a red flag step by step.

like please explain to me how anticipating a question and answering it is a red flag

htaeD posted...

Flavorwise the only one who can stop it is a Moebius character (the nicest one but still).
But as was already said, I dont think trading deathplaces is something Ben would put into the game.

masterplum posted...

Oh shoot

I think JC is town

Death's post is the one that made plum reevaluate. But I feel like there wasn't much that happened here. Plum's conviction evaporated instantly for a flavor related reason... when he says his own flavor isn't even in the game? That's pretty wild.

Im over this

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If he is scum great. If he is town he wont blow the game down the line

Obellisk posted...

Deaths post (#244) bothered me.
"Also Changmas is paying attention. I like that."
It feels pockety, it was an unnecessary post with the intent of getting Chang to like Death for saying he likes Chang. Its a red flag but i'm not prepared to kill Death today at this point (mind you i know IGCD may have very likely already done that).

I haven't reread in full yet, only gone back to bring things to the current conversation, so I totally missed this interaction.
Here's what Chang says about Death...

changmas posted...

Death - 1.103, 1.107, and 1.108 are so weird to me. it kind of feels like a genuine moment of panic like "oh shit maybe i really DID just get shot". and props to sultan for calling this out in the moment. more down to let the IGCD claimed shot play itself out and not lynch death d1 though imo. i always feel weird about death though

Death is in his "iffy" category (what does this even mean?) And he points out some funny posts but then concludes with "idk what it means though, let's let the shot play out".

I'm excited to see what sbell concludes from today's episode of peaf/igcd/plum.

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##Vote: Plum

I'll go with it

Lopen posted...

If JC himself said it why does it need to be said again when JC is not getting suspicion currently? It feels like posturing to make it look like you're trying to solve.

Specifically the issue I had was "well because JC said this I feel safe saying this" like that feels more like you're trying to come off as townish than actually being townish. You're basically overjustifying what you're saying.

I said it because people were trying to use it as scumproof and I wanted to show how it could be different.

I said it like that because I knew someone like you would ask me why I said it

Obellisk posted...

Finally finished Page 5 of Topic 1. You guys need to slow down this morning, I am doing my catch up but lets not make it harder on a guy. I've read no posts in topic 2.

Chang and 5tar both point out the same thing I did which was that Sultan was presenting a hypothetical of Death contacting our host via Discord not himself actually doing it. So its easy enough for anyone to have grabbed that and not immediately pounced. Town points for both Chang and 5tar.

Sultan through the rest of this page makes it clearer and clearer that he is town. I wont support a lynch of him. Ulti's attack was the best thing to ever happen to sultan this game as far as i'm concerned.

Deaths post (#244) bothered me.
"Also Changmas is paying attention. I like that."
It feels pockety, it was an unnecessary post with the intent of getting Chang to like Death for saying he likes Chang. Its a red flag but i'm not prepared to kill Death today at this point (mind you i know IGCD may have very likely already done that).

Oh I felt it necessary.
But I probably should have said why at the time.

It was because he was the first to see what Sultan really meant with rhe discord post

htaeD posted...

I said it because people were trying to use it as scumproof and I wanted to show how it could be different.

I said it like that because I knew someone like you would ask me why I said it

I'm more asking why you, as town, are feeling the need to say the former or the need to preemptive defend against the latter

IGCD is probably town. He actually has thoughts of his own instead of lurking around and parroting the best players until endgame.

5tarscream posted...

Why would scum care if the claim was fake or not? They know who is town and who isnt.

Scum needs to plan their attack and knowing what claims are and aren't legit is definitely part of that.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Scum is more likely to know right away that they were not actually vig-Shotted

Thats not true. But we dont need to debate this right now. And I see Peaf already said what i wanted to say anyway.

Other Page 6 items. Han coming in and saying that Ulti was sheeping him when Ulti is only voting for Sultan because Ulti did not comprehend Sultans post is an odd take. Han thinks Sultan is scum because he is asking for flavor. But Sultan it seems was only diving into flavor country because he himself was not comprehending the opening post. Anyway, continued Town points for Sultan, Scum points for both Han and Ulti but honestly I dont think the two of them can be on the team together. Han, as scum, wouldn't come in and make that post about Ulti if both are scum, at least i don't think he would.

JC showed up. Asked a good question re: flavor. But i still dont know or care about it. JC also says he doesn't believe in IGCD's shot. Han makes it clear he doesn't either. As i've been reading i actually started to believe it might be real, i sorta hope it is just because IGCD is playing it so straight, i'd never have the wherewithal to sustain it.

Post 295, Edumey brings up that Ulti still hasn't shied away from the Sultan vote even though its been made clear Ulti made the vote based on misinformation. It hasn't gone unnoticed that Edumey is highlighting that Sultan in his ever confusion never made this distinction himself.

Also, a shiny Lopen appeared.

There are no banned or controversial roles in this game, barring any unknown exploits, or roles that haven't been done before and thus have not yet been deemed controversial

Given this in the signup topic, I have my doubts Justin is some super busted scum role that automatically wins the game (or whatever) if he lives until day 4. The claim simply does not have scum equity attached.

Lopen posted...

I'm more asking why you, as town, are feeling the need to say the former or the need to preemptive defend against the latter

Because i felt like it.

I dont like doing list dont going to do a drawn out list on day one, so just just basic where people kinda fit.

Han I am thinking is typical Town Han. Actively looking, driving points and talking charge while he is here.

Peaf scum lean and only beacuse I feel like he is trying to provide content but alot of it seems to mimmik other and play off what they are saying. I have seen some original thought as well so maybe he just agrees with alot of things others have been saying.
Peace___Frog posted...

Yeah my suspicion of plum has nothing to do with the claim. My initial vote on him was admittedly a "let's get this party started" kind of deal, but he's been plenty scummy independent of his claim since then.

Also don't like this response. Plum has been plenty scummy but hasn't explained why??

5starscream- I like the thought process but maybe not some of the points. His argument on me is a bit valid I haven't defended myself to to much but also didn't see the need since Ulti Basically messed up his own thoughts due to comprehension.

Plum- still need more to why he is scum that isn't claim related.

Chang- ???

Edumey- Rust or Scum can't tell just yet

Chaeix- JC I have alot of hesitation twords. He is relying alot on his claim but his claim doesn't sit well with me.

Death- I have been back and forth maybe just disagree with some stance and agree with others so town lean.

Ulti- I think he is scum his few attacks have been kind of lazy and thrown at the wall and he has been jumping around alot. Ulti could be getting his feet back under him but right now I'm not confident and say probably scum.

Lopen- lopen is usually a hard read for me until like day 3 or 4. Lopen If scum does Crack later into games. For not I haven't nessisarily disliked Lopen except for his indecisiveness he just seems to have alot if thoughts and can't decide in what one to follow through with. Not a bad thing though.

Sbell- Sbell is Sbell and idk what else to say.
Hb- don't nessisarily like HB can't put my finger on why exactly maybe need an iso?

Red- ????

Corrik- has been inactive ish.

.IGCD- why IGCD why? I don't like your shot. I don't like your justification either.

And now thatI think about it. Probably also because i didnt want to shut down discussion about it.

Clarify sbell is town sbell

Hmm actually I might go back to Ulti

But alot is not sitting right with this guy!

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also don't like this response. Plum has been plenty scummy but hasn't explained why??

Peace___Frog posted...

Page 9 of last topic, re: plum.

Death's post is the one that made plum reevaluate. But I feel like there wasn't much that happened here. Plum's conviction evaporated instantly for a flavor related reason... when he says his own flavor isn't even in the game? That's pretty wild.

If you go to the post further up on this page it has all the relevant quotes from last topic. But since we can't quote quotes any more it's a little bit dead here.

My point is that you haven't actually read. I don't think I've done much mimicking at all, and one of the players in your ??? last is a player who I've posted about a lot recently!

I can see why you'd think I'm scum if you missed those posts in particular, since sheeping other aggressive players (in this case for plum, that's igcd) is a good way to stay under the radar. But don't be upset with me because you didn't read what I've posted!

Death you didnt answer me. Do you think IGCD legit shot you and youll die tonight or no?

Hmm okay that point about Plum is a decent one. Not knowing the flavor in a flavor context senerio I kind ofnlooked past that. Like oh maybe Plums like oh yeah death is right XYZ or whatever can do that maybe JC is only twlling Half Truths or something.

Chang of it all I have seen Chang take his time to vote but do exspect more so I guess that isn't a horrible vote on chang and ge twhy you did it.

5tar probably scum

Still feel like Lopen is town even though he seems determined to suspect literally everyone of being scum today.

5tarscream posted...

Death you didnt answer me. Do you think IGCD legit shot you and youll die tonight or no?

I thought I did.
Or perhaps that was to someone else.
But I am leaning no.
Still cant rule it out tho

I know its day 1 but I feel like death has been super non-committal today. Like, every answer has basically just been maybe this or that.

5tarscream posted...

Still feel like Lopen is town even though he seems determined to suspect literally everyone of being scum today.

Haven't really. Good deflection tho

Im not deflecting. What makes you think Im scum?

So Hb....

Very inactive and when he has been he takes a weakish stab at Dumey for not exactly exsplaing how he thinks that the pair of I beleive it was me and Ulti is a Town/scum split.
Dumey said a flip would resolve that and Hb basically said wouldn't you have to lynch one? Kind of a weird response really

Everything else he has basically done is defend JC's claim

5tarscream posted...

I know its day 1 but I feel like death has been super non-committal today. Like, every answer has basically just been maybe this or that.

Maybe in some cases.

But are you giving me lip for not bring sure about my own possible demise????

Peace___Frog posted...

Page 9 of last topic, re: plum.

Death's post is the one that made plum reevaluate. But I feel like there wasn't much that happened here. Plum's conviction evaporated instantly for a flavor related reason... when he says his own flavor isn't even in the game? That's pretty wild.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/2/4/AANz_VAAEHzM.jpg

I don't understand the reference.

Here's my thinking:

1. You were suspicious of jc's claim (rightfully so, i was too)
2. You said that jc's explanation of it was a big red flag and didn't elaborate. He asked for an elaboration, but before you could give it...
3. Death posted some flavor-ish possible explanation.
4. You immediately go "oh" and back off with nothing else.

From my perspective, if you are truthful about your flavor, then flavor- related explanations of jc shouldn't mean anything to you!

So what caused the sudden change of heart with jc?

Think about it

5tarscream posted...

Im not deflecting. What makes you think Im scum?

Inactive during conversation driving moments then a lot to say later. Feels measured. In particular your concern over the nature of JC's claim feels put out there entirely to have an opinion on record and not genuinely a concern you're having as pressure on JC is 0

Topic 1, Page 7:
I don't like JC here, when he posts its coming from a "we're still in the joke phase" place. And we aren't. All commentary and talking about himself. Oh and I just got to post #322 where he even acknowledges he's only posted like 8 times and its all been about himself.
Oh, Ohhhhhh, i'll finish reading now and get back to this take, its getting juicy.

And peaf again pulling my very thought from my head with Post #329.
Peace___Frog posted...

So if you were going to confirm things in such a straightforward manner, why be so roundabout about it and do nothing else? Seems to me like you're more concerned with setting up a polished fake claim than doing much else.

Chaeix posted...

i asked and it can't be stopped if i'm roleblocked n3

I question the validity of this asking and answering. If we are to believe the role is real I don't think this is information that should be given to the game.

masterplum posted...

Hmm

JC saying there is no way to stop it bothers me

That feels like unnecessary information to add that isnt required that was added in strategically

Plum would say this as Town or Scum with JC or as Scum without JC, so it doesn't move Plums scale for me. Its a good post though and its something I would actually do when claiming but not claiming.

And then Han shows up with questions and praise... I disagree with his hot take that its being played the way it should.

So, JC claims Town Dead in 3 days. He spent the first 7 pages of the topic breadcrumbing and by the end of the 7th page had fully allowed his claim (as he wants it to be known) out of the bag and still hasn't done a lick of actual scum hunting. That doesn't sound like a role you put in a mafia game. But i do not want to lynch JC over some Meta shit like that. I'd prefer we lynch him for not doing anything yet this game first. His whole approach to his claim (regardless of what it is) is not pro-town. I do not believe if he is someone that dies in 3 days he's been playing his role correctly at all. And this forces me to believe that he is in fact just making the whole thing up and trying to be cute. As stated above, i dont think that the host would give out details as how to stop or what wont work in stopping the action. I think JC's fault here is being too forthcoming.

End of Page 7.

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't understand the reference.

Here's my thinking:
1. You were suspicious of jc's claim (rightfully so, i was too)
2. You said that jc's explanation of it was a big red flag and didn't elaborate. He asked for an elaboration, but before you could give it...
3. Death posted some flavor-ish possible explanation.
4. You immediately go "oh" and back off with nothing else.

From my perspective, if you are truthful about your flavor, then flavor- related explanations of jc shouldn't mean anything to you!

So what caused the sudden change of heart with jc?

Hmm plum JC link? You suggesting this peaf or am I off?