Board 8 > Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 1-2 Something A Bit Meatier

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Defeatist???
Thats a word I disagree with even more!

For instance
I think me getting HB to post content was in fact a great deal of substance!

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I've come around on Plum's claim - figure if he saw Johnny whoever on the safelist, he could come in and claim Miller but not Miller, and as soon as he got counterclaimed he sort of simmered down on that.

Also, yeah, don't believe Plum's anger. Shooting day 1 as vig is a-ok.

So you think Plum is telling the truth about his claim but is lying about his anger? I'm confused.

Han probably scum

htaeD posted...

I think me getting HB to post content was in fact a great deal of substance!

(i would have probably done that upon waking up anyway, you just happened to post exactly as it happened... suspicious...)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey Peaf, if you don't like Dumey still, you'll have to explain to me why.

I don't think i ever said i disliked dumey. I was sad that he turned down my request to be pals, and I've disagreed with a lot of his analysis. But being wrong isn't being scum, and so far i think he's coming from an ok place.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This reads like 5tar trying really hard to separate from Death without voting to lynch him.

Well I know it cant be a case of scum/scum separation, but it sure feels confusing how insistent he is about this.

Scum
Plum
5tar
Han
Peaf
Dumey

Actually really liking this config. Good scenario found where everything clicks in place if you assume JC is town

Hbthebattle posted...

(i would have probably done that upon waking up anyway, you just happened to post exactly as it happened... suspicious...)

I assume thats a joke.

I'm more inclined to think it was a coincidence than you drawing something out of hb.

##unvote
##vote:Han

see you day 2

Now Lopen is confusing me too.

Lopen posted...

Scum
Plum
5tar
Han
Peaf
Dumey

Actually really liking this config. Good scenario found where everything clicks in place if you assume JC is town

Why peaf?

5tarscream posted...

I'm more inclined to think it was a coincidence than you drawing something out of hb.

Cant even handle my substance, psh.

Hbthebattle posted...

So you think Plum is telling the truth about his claim but is lying about his anger? I'm confused.

No, I meant come around to not thinking it was Town per se. My thought was that Plum making a claim of Cobra Kai character immediately was out of his range, but a weak miller-but-not-miller claim is more up his alley.

Lopen posted...

Han probably scum

Me: "Talks about some considerations of JC's claim, completely independent of Lopen, not even defending JC"
Lopen: "wow Han is defending JC to ME"

Lopen, save us this song and dance. It's going to be the same as it always is.

Lopen posted...

Scum
Plum
5tar
Han
Peaf
Dumey

Actually really liking this config. Good scenario found where everything clicks in place if you assume JC is town

I have Peaf as scum too let's vote him together

masterplum posted...

##unvote
##vote:Han

see you day 2

Ah, come around on plum and he scatters away into the night, tail tucked between the legs.
Scumplum so afraid of me.

Lopen posted...

Scum
Plum
5tar
Han
Peaf
Dumey

Actually really liking this config. Good scenario found where everything clicks in place if you assume JC is town

Plum and star i could be convinced to vote on at the day end rush, sure.

There's a lot of mental gymnastics in that post he just dropped to make plum town by Han. Like way too much. I don't like it at all.

If han got to be scum with dumey on his first game back i will legitimately be jealous.

Lopen posted...

There's a lot of mental gymnastics in that post he just dropped to make plum town by Han. Like way too much. I don't like it at all.

???

I think Plum is more likely to be Scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ah, come around on plum and he scatters away into the night, tail tucked between the legs.

Oh

Wait did come around mean "I've come around on plum being scum"

Because the post read like you had plum as town to me.

Which is it please educate me

Okay

Han off scum list back in undecided

Let's vote plum instead of sbell today then I will listen to sbell theories

Yes, my post was unclear before, I apologize.

Sleeping on it let me think of how it could be a Scum play that makes sense.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, yeah, don't believe Plum's anger. Shooting day 1 as vig is a-ok.

I read this as sarcasm was also a problem

When I think you were actually being genuine

Ok

Yeah Han is OK. Recalculating

Lopen posted...

Han off scum list back in undecided

Well there goes Lopen's Towntell...

And yeah, Lopen, I wasn't defending JC's claim to you in the other topic, I was just talking it out.

I was saying JC's playing the role as he should... except.

The way he should play it: Leaving hints of who he is in the hope that someone can save him.
The way he shouldn't: Telling Scum that he will die for free, and there's no point in killing him. At best, this is WIFOM.

Peace___Frog posted...

If han got to be scum with dumey on his first game back i will legitimately be jealous.

i wish

And again, I have to point out to game where SBell was SK... DotA 2? That was a Han v Lopen game and I remember SBell riding your coattails.

Even here, the allusions he's made to me are just... wrong.

htaeD posted...

I will save you some time Sbell
Ulti thinks Sultan is town now...

Which he never did exsplain why

Peace___Frog posted...

Plum and star i could be convinced to vote on at the day end rush, sure.

I think you're scum. You think I'm scum. Why wait until end of day rush when I won't be here and can't defend myself? Let the battle commence. Gladiator's goooooo

5tarscream posted...

I think you're scum. You think I'm scum. Why wait until end of day rush when I won't be here and can't defend myself? Let the battle commence. Gladiator's goooooo

Why do you think Peaf is scum?

5tarscream posted...

I think you're scum. You think I'm scum. Why wait until end of day rush when I won't be here and can't defend myself? Let the battle commence. Gladiator's goooooo

I did forget about your availability, you're right.

The problem is that you're just a lean for me. I'd so much prefer to make a push for someone that i feel more strongly about instead of you.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Which he never did exsplain why

Ulti and Corrik like to big brother players they look at as weaker when they're scum. Usually in a there's no way this player gets lynched. I won't allow it trust my reads I'm great at mafia, kind of way. I don't mean that to be offensive to you but it's something i've seen multiple times from Ulti. I've been the little brother. Feels bad to get used. I feel Ulti is scum.

Lopen posted...

I just know Chang cares about setup meta a lot so the meat of his interest going into talking out what JC'S role is feels genuine

I really dislike the amount of work you're doing for chang here, lopen

5tarscream posted...

I feel like Peaf has been super active and asked a ton of questions but I haven't really seen much follow up. Peaf what are your top 3 Scum and Town reads so far?

You asked me this and i gave them, but i didn't see you react to my response. Did i miss that?

Dumey, IGCD did not shoot Death.

Additionally, IGCD lied about his flavor claim - XBC3 does not have a banger of a soundtrack

This is all just a joke he made to pander to Corrik and he's kept it going, which has resulted in reactions, but like, come on.

And I have no idea why anyone does think Peaf is Scum.

5tarscream posted...

Ulti and Corrik like to big brother players they look at as weaker when they're scum. Usually in a there's no way this player gets lynched. I won't allow it trust my reads I'm great at mafia, kind of way. I don't mean that to be offensive to you but it's something i've seen multiple times from Ulti. I've been the little brother. Feels bad to get used. I feel Ulti is scum.

Yooooo that's part of the reason why I think Ulti is scum!!

Hbthebattle posted...

Why do you think Peaf is scum?

I feel like he's hiding behind questions and posting a ton of content. It's hard to pin down a read for him if he has a ton of posts especially if he changes his reads. I feel like more than once he's asked a lot of basic straightforward questions that don't seem to lead anywhere. I like Dumey because of the way he answered Peaf logically early on when Peaf was asking about the scum/scum town/scum thing with JC. It's basically the opposite end of the spectrum from my read on death.

What stuck out to me about Ulti is that he seemed like he didn't want to be here.

I actually saw that list and I was going to answer it but I didn't really have anything to add other than thanks so I didn't bother. I think I asked about IGCD and if deaths flip would change your read.

5tarscream posted...

Ulti and Corrik like to big brother players they look at as weaker when they're scum. Usually in a there's no way this player gets lynched. I won't allow it trust my reads I'm great at mafia, kind of way. I don't mean that to be offensive to you but it's something i've seen multiple times from Ulti. I've been the little brother. Feels bad to get used. I feel Ulti is scum.

I like this train of thought. I do think experienced players will try to marinate players they deem "safe" to bring to end game. Not sure if it's the case here, but I think you'd need to show that Sultan hasn't done anything to deserve being called town to prove it, and multiple people have Sultan on their townie lists.

5tarscream posted...

Ulti and Corrik like to big brother players they look at as weaker when they're scum. Usually in a there's no way this player gets lynched. I won't allow it trust my reads I'm great at mafia, kind of way. I don't mean that to be offensive to you but it's something i've seen multiple times from Ulti. I've been the little brother. Feels bad to get used. I feel Ulti is scum.

I actually couldn't agree with you more tbh. Ulti usually buddies up to me regardless of alignment though. But as scum which he did say. Oh sultan is easy to read but he also said I was scum this time when he did so it is a bit different so the flip to me being town is where I went to wait what.

When he came in to attack me though doing it poorly I thought it was refreshing

Hmm. That's fair, yeah. Work has generally been exceedingly boring the past few days and I've been here more than I should have been. And though i got upset at other players for flip flopping, I've done a lot of it myself.
The issues that i had with igcd, or have with plum and Ulti, and their flops, has been that i don't see any logical or coherent reason for them. Upon a reread of igcd after his attack on me felt very town-y and he explained his death stuff, i did see the thought process from him. And that's why he moved off of my list so hard that he went from scummiest scum to towniest town.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Additionally, IGCD lied about his flavor claim - XBC3 does not have a banger of a soundtrack

I haven't gotten around to XB3 yet, but the previous games had excellent soundtracks, so I'm gonna assume you're wrong and bad at hearing things.

EDumey posted...

here, but I think you'd need to show that Sultan hasn't done anything to deserve being called town to prove it, and multiple people have Sultan on their townie lists.

But ulti going from certain I was scum to be being town with no explanation is the concern

EDumey posted...

I haven't gotten around to XB3 yet, but the previous games had excellent soundtracks, so I'm gonna assume you're wrong and bad at hearing things.

It has by-and-far the worst soundtrack of the three.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dumey, IGCD did not shoot Death.

Additionally, IGCD lied about his flavor claim - XBC3 does not have a banger of a soundtrack

This is all just a joke he made to pander to Corrik and he's kept it going, which has resulted in reactions, but like, come on.

And I have no idea why anyone does think Peaf is Scum.

I havent had a chance to fully go back and reread everything yet but I do recall you having an outstanding question about why Im on Peaf to which I will say that Peaf felt somewhat performative in Topic 1 combined with the weird contrast between telling people not to post early nonsense reads and then all of a sudden having a bunch of reads based off what I viewed to be very little.

I have been somewhat assuaged by Peafs recent insistence that the IGCD situation gives good info (because thats where he was getting his weak reads from) but thats where I was at when I voted yesterday.

Will of course be reviewing this when I go back through.

Peace___Frog posted...

Hmm. That's fair, yeah. Work has generally been exceedingly boring the past few days and I've been here more than I should have been. And though i got upset at other players for flip flopping, I've done a lot of it myself.
The issues that i had with igcd, or have with plum and Ulti, and their flops, has been that i don't see any logical or coherent reason for them. Upon a reread of igcd after his attack on me felt very town-y and he explained his death stuff, i did see the thought process from him. And that's why he moved off of my list so hard that he went from scummiest scum to towniest town.

I also felt that your scum list was very vanilla, I was hoping for a unique read after all your activity but almost everybody has Chang and Ulti on their scum lists.

I remember thinking if Ulti was Scum, he'd be more likely to interact with me and the vote I put on Sultan while he was providing his own, instead of gunning his own unique way and paying me no mind. That makes me think it's less likely that Ulti is Scum, as the suspicion on Sultan did not seem calculated.

I would argue against Ulti being lynched today, based on that.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

But ulti going from certain I was scum to be being town with no explanation is the concern

I feel like I've been the Ulti defense force, mostly because of my exchange with Lopen, and I don't really intend to be. I just don't see how this point isn't understood. He made an argument against you based on the thought that you had messaged Ben about the game on Discord. It was clarified that you didn't do that. Ulti no longer had an argument and reevaluated.
It really isn't hard to follow, and of all the changes of opinions players have had in this game, is maybe the one that makes the MOST sense because it was predicated on an incorrect premise.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

##Vote: SBell

This is the exact thing that happened a few games ago with Lopen hounding me and SBell riding Lopen's butt like a barnacle.

btw Lopen's Towntell is finding a completely incorrect thing to throw at me. Only games recently where he didn't have an excuse to look my direction were when he died immediately, or when he was Scum. And now we have, if I'm reading this right, "Han felt the need to defend JC to me"... which I'm pretty positive is not a thing that happened?

SBell has been bouncing off of it buddying up to Lopen, as well as tossing weak shade towards me. So SBell is probably Scum here.

Not sure where all this aggression is coming from Han. You and i both know that I don't put your name in my mouth if i'm scum. Scum Sbell has learned that lesson. Of course thats all wifom and whatever, but still. Not a good look.

Are you talking about the game I was indy survivor? Because thats not scum. And i'm not riding any coattails here. I'm playing catch-up and responding to the game as it happened. Lopen coming to the same conclusions I am as they are happening, i can't help that.

You do not have a great resume this game so far but you haven't done anything alignment damning till this unfounded vote. You were still in my questionable box this game, i just dont know why you got so defensive and came at me.

EDumey posted...

I feel like I've been the Ulti defense force, mostly because of my exchange with Lopen, and I don't really intend to be. I just don't see how this point isn't understood. He made an argument against you based on the thought that you had messaged Ben about the game on Discord. It was clarified that you didn't do that. Ulti no longer had an argument and reevaluated.
It really isn't hard to follow, and of all the changes of opinions players have had in this game, is maybe the one that makes the MOST sense because it was predicated on an incorrect premise.

I get that but I dont see how that automatically make me town and not like a null.

Okay question for Ulti when he gets back

What makes you think I am town now

I think this is fair enough to just give ulti and opportunity