Board 8 > Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 1-2 Something A Bit Meatier

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EDumey posted...

I feel like I've been the Ulti defense force, mostly because of my exchange with Lopen, and I don't really intend to be. I just don't see how this point isn't understood. He made an argument against you based on the thought that you had messaged Ben about the game on Discord. It was clarified that you didn't do that. Ulti no longer had an argument and reevaluated.
It really isn't hard to follow, and of all the changes of opinions players have had in this game, is maybe the one that makes the MOST sense because it was predicated on an incorrect premise.

I've only scanned topic 2 because i had this vote to address. But where is the post where Ulti finally acknowledges his mistake?

5tarscream posted...

almost everybody has Chang and Ulti on their scum lists.

I don't think I saw anybody bring up chang as scum before I did, thanks

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I get that but I dont see how that automatically make me town and not like a null.

This post is now why you are officially town, congrats.

Obellisk posted...

Not sure where all this aggression is coming from Han. You and i both know that I don't put your name in my mouth if i'm scum. Scum Sbell has learned that lesson. Of course thats all wifom and whatever, but still. Not a good look.

Are you talking about the game I was indy survivor? Because thats not scum. And i'm not riding any coattails here. I'm playing catch-up and responding to the game as it happened. Lopen coming to the same conclusions I am as they are happening, i can't help that.

You do not have a great resume this game so far but you haven't done anything alignment damning till this unfounded vote. You were still in my questionable box this game, i just dont know why you got so defensive and came at me.

Because you were building a resume on me based on incorrect things as you were reading. And yes, as Indy Survivor or whatever, not Town, you let Lopen spearhead an attack on me that you backed up.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It has by-and-far the worst soundtrack of the three.

xeno fans still forgetting about xcx

EDumey posted...

I feel like I've been the Ulti defense force, mostly because of my exchange with Lopen, and I don't really intend to be. I just don't see how this point isn't understood. He made an argument against you based on the thought that you had messaged Ben about the game on Discord. It was clarified that you didn't do that. Ulti no longer had an argument and reevaluated.
It really isn't hard to follow, and of all the changes of opinions players have had in this game, is maybe the one that makes the MOST sense because it was predicated on an incorrect premise.

This was ironically the suspicion on Sultan early. Everyone was defending him against Ulti's wrong read except for Sultan himself. Circle of Life.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I get that but I dont see how that automatically make me town and not like a null.

Okay question for Ulti when he gets back

What makes you think I am town now

I think this is fair enough to just give ulti and opportunity

this is a decent question.

Peace___Frog posted...

Just under 10.5 hours of my math is correct.

I'm staying on chang for now. I really dislike dumey's probabilistic approach to voting and i do think that plum is scum, but i really want to push this chang thing more.

The guy did not list a single scum read in his big catch up post. He called a few people iffy, but then said he was conflicted about everyone that he didn't list? What's the difference between those? It feels like he wanted to try to talk more but lost his own thread.

iffy = scum but i'm not ready to call them scum yet because it's day 1 and I don't have a flip to adjust my bearings to. i find it very difficult to call anyone scum on day 1 while everyone is still pretending to be town and the big shaking and maneuvering on the lynches hasn't really occurred yet. i rarely ever make a habit of doing so. much easier to get my town clears in order and go POE from there.

also i think it's pretty unfair wording to say i was "conflicted" on others - i said i was waiting for more from Han and proceeding cautiously with Edumey, everyone else was a nulltell.

speaking of town clears...

red13n posted...

I'm not going to say I'm not town because that'd be dumb and a lie but I definitely haven't had the will to keep up anything that I'd call a steering force.

i doubt red comes out of the woodwork to clarify he thinks i'm wrong about him if he's not town. he probably just lets this slide. my gut said town on red and this only solidifies it for me.

as for plum / IGCD i think plum's side of things actually is pretty believable. I know he's had frustrations with IGCD in the past and plum is also someone who puts heavy stock into the "spirit of the game / gamesmanship" aspect of things, so his response is totally in line with what I would expect from him. but ultimately that's a nulltell as I think regardless of alignment he would have the same response. still leaning town on him but not sure if he's just lashing out wildly now at Han or whats going on there

as for IGCD himself I think my "scum set play" theory actually makes some sense and it's specifically because he had to announce the shot himself in the the topic. as an anonymous shot you can shoot one of the "strongest" players day 1 but it's a straight up death wish doing that publicly. Going into the game with a set strategy of "okay, i make a little argument with somebody and then shoot them quickly" is totally an executable strategy for IGCD and i see him as more likely to be able to feign cluelessness / incompetence / "i just did it to have fun in a game" than trying to shoot someone for real reasons later and have to lie his way out of that. leaning toward that atm over just being town doing it for shits and giggles

Peace___Frog posted...

I don't think I saw anybody bring up chang as scum before I did, thanks

I mean just the list itself and why I didn't respond to it more at the time. The scum list was easy and I was looking for something different to try and get more information about why you'd come to a particular suspicion, but the content wasn't there for me to build on so I didn't have anything more to add. It basically didn't move the needle for me thinking you were scum.

Obellisk posted...

I've only scanned topic 2 because i had this vote to address. But where is the post where Ulti finally acknowledges his mistake?

I don't think he "acknowledges" his mistake. Just moves his vote off and then when Sultan asks later says that he's changed his mind. From a quick ctrl+F I don't think he's elaborated, so I support Sultan in asking.

changmas posted...

i doubt red comes out of the woodwork to clarify he thinks i'm wrong about him if he's not town. he probably just lets this slide. my gut said town on red and this only solidifies it for me.

I'll be honest, this reads backwards for me. Red comes out of the woodwork to, what, tell you he's not Scum? That feels like the bare minimum that a Scumred would have to do

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Additionally, IGCD lied about his flavor claim - XBC3 does not have a banger of a soundtrack

Scummiest thing Han has said all game

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I'll be honest, this reads backwards for me. Red comes out of the woodwork to, what, tell you he's not Scum? That feels like the bare minimum that a Scumred would have to do

i called him town though, he's really not obligated to say anything at all imo

HanOfTheNekos posted...

And yes, as Indy Survivor or whatever, not Town, you let Lopen spearhead an attack on me that you backed up.

So you will agree that comparing my stance on something as an Indy Survivor with no knowledge of the rest of the game to now and accusing me of being scum makes no sense ya?

The first area you go to with a great soundtrack is the Flats. That's way too much not good before then.

Battle version 2 is far inferior to the first.

There are tons of colonies in the game, and they have only two different tracks with day and night variations.

There are great tracks, don't get me wrong, but compared to the prior games, just disappointing.

EDumey posted...

I don't think he "acknowledges" his mistake. Just moves his vote off and then when Sultan asks later says that he's changed his mind. From a quick ctrl+F I don't think he's elaborated, so I support Sultan in asking.

Thought so. Yes, lets get some recognition from Ulti when he is able to come to the game today.

Obellisk posted...

So you will agree that comparing my stance on something as an Indy Survivor with no knowledge of the rest of the game to now and accusing me of being scum makes no sense ya?

As both Indy Survivor and Scum, you'd be hiding.

And even still, whatever you said in your catchups on me was false, so

changmas posted...

i called him town though, he's really not obligated to say anything at all imo

Oh, I misread this. Any chance you can point to the posts in question?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Oh, I misread this. Any chance you can point to the posts in question?

2-108 and 2-121

I'd say it makes up for it in event and battle music. But I will in turn say the game itself doesnt help with how much it repeats some tracks and rarely uses others (and dont even get me started on the Menu theme)

Either way I assume you arent using this as a genuine piece of evidence. Who knows what Bens tastes are like
Obellisk posted...

I've only scanned topic 2 because i had this vote to address. But where is the post where Ulti finally acknowledges his mistake?

Nonexistent.
He just drops Sultan randomly and later said he changed his mind (reasons not given)

Chang's post has me even more convinced he's scum. The first part seems scummy to me. Like he's saying he doesn't like to call scum D1 because everyone is pretending to be town. Scum pretends to be town for the whole game! More like you don't want to call town reads without it being glaringly obvious that you have information others don't. Scumchang.
Then he weak town clears red for saying "I'm town" instead of continuing to down nothing at all. Red should at best be in a null pile.

##Vote: Chang

HanOfTheNekos posted...

whatever you said in your catchups on me was false, so

by all means, please show me where i spoke falsely about you or read your posts wrong. I am not fabricating anything just digesting the game.

5tarscream posted...

Chang's post has me even more convinced he's scum. The first part seems scummy to me. Like he's saying he doesn't like to call scum D1 because everyone is pretending to be town. Scum pretends to be town for the whole game! More like you don't want to call town reads without it being glaringly obvious that you have information others don't. Scumchang.
Then he weak town clears red for saying "I'm town" instead of continuing to down nothing at all. Red should at best be in a null pile.

##Vote: Chang

you don't think it's easier to pretend to be town on day 1 than on the following days?

This was ironically the suspicion on Sultan early. Everyone was defending him against Ulti's wrong read except for Sultan himself. Circle of Life.

Okay it is weird that Sultan immediately reacted to Ulti's accusation but did not point out how he was talking about me using the discord.

Hey SBell, will you be caught up by the time day ends?

EDumey posted...

Hey SBell, will you be caught up by the time day ends?

by 7pm est? sure i dont see why not. Mind you i do have this whole topic to read but it seems like it should go a little quicker since I've sorta been here for some of it?

Obellisk posted...

by all means, please show me where i spoke falsely about you or read your posts wrong. I am not fabricating anything just digesting the game.

Stuff Lopen said about me and me "praising" JC.

Which is interesting because you also cited my hesitation on JC.

Thanks for the laugh, star. So let me understand.

You think I'm scum because I'm posting a lot and not following threads that you think i should be following. You then think that my scum list lacks creativity and isn't pushing the envelope in any capacity.
You then follow me onto a lynch that i am trying to push and have not gotten much traction on... because of post 408? I appreciate the supporting vote but that's quite the path you took to get there.

changmas posted...

you don't think it's easier to pretend to be town on day 1 than on the following days?

I agree with chang here! This seems like such a weird thing for star to jump on chang for.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Stuff Lopen said about me and me "praising" JC.

You did praise JC. You said he's doing a great job at playing his role. You bought what JC was selling and told him he's doing a great job playing it as it should be done. Where is the falsehood?

Peace___Frog posted...

I agree with chang here! This seems like such a weird thing for star to jump on chang for.

Glad you agree with your scummate. I had already said I thought chang was scum.
My scum list is Peaf, Chang, Ulti and death fwiw.

Peace___Frog posted...

Thanks for the laugh, star. So let me understand.

You think I'm scum because I'm posting a lot and not following threads that you think i should be following. You then think that my scum list lacks creativity and isn't pushing the envelope in any capacity.
You then follow me onto a lynch that i am trying to push and have not gotten much traction on... because of post 408? I appreciate the supporting vote but that's quite the path you took to get there.

Basically yeah. You say pushing but are you REALLY pushing it? Like he's clearly here and instead of applying pressure you're agreeing with him because I applied pressure. Seems like you're uncomfortable that your vote might get tractiion and what to steer it my way.

I think this caught my eye because pictures but i dont think scum plum gets frustrated and throws a vote to a randomizer.

That said publicly throwing gameplay to a randomizer should be banned. If you want to do it and not tell anyone sure fine but especially throwing up a picture is against the spirit of the game and leads to "impossible to read" scenarios with little gameplay function.

Also i definitely didn't sleep through the time i intended to actually play the game nope.

okay so i'm back through topic 1 and honestly peaf just had this really smarmy vibe to him that isn't sitting well with me. i also didn't really like how he was like 'i would have just blindly followed corrik just for ~novelty~'.

given that the death/igcd situation isn't likely to be super fruitful discussion-wise until day 2, i think i'll just wait and revisit at that point. no sense dealing with hypotheticals that'll just get handled later.

will offer more complete thoughts once through topic 2

Leafeon13N posted...

I think this caught my eye because pictures but i dont think scum plum gets frustrated and throws a vote to a randomizer.

That said publicly throwing gameplay to a randomizer should be banned. If you want to do it and not tell anyone sure fine but especially throwing up a picture is against the spirit of the game and leads to "impossible to read" scenarios with little gameplay function.

You're missing the context there.

5tarscream posted...

Glad you agree with your scummate. I had already said I thought chang was scum.
My scum list is Peaf, Chang, Ulti and death fwiw.

Was that before or after i made my case on him? When did your suspicion start? The timing doesn't track.

I had a call start at 1:30. Am i here too much, or not enough? You're inconsistent.

EDumey posted...

You're missing the context there.

I think you are reading too deep in my post and the context you think I'm missing doesn't matter.

now doing a legit read of Topic 2.

IGCD claims the soundtrack and it being a "bang"er, i sorta love that and now want it to be even more true (sorry death, not sold on you being scum or IGCD definitely being town with this shot, but from a general stand point its pretty good, even you can admit that).

However I disagree with IGCD on Edumey and Peaf at the moment, i guess maybe i disagree on the shooting of death too... but Day 2 should be a lot of fun i'm sure.

Oh and here is Ulti unvoting Lopen this time and voting for Red, town clearing 6 players. at least 2 of which i am questioning right now. Is this a rule of three thing? I never knew how the numbers game works. 6 divided by 2 equals 3.

Han post (going to try to pretend i didn't already see that recent indiscretion of his). He is town clearing out the ass here. Peaf, Lopen, JC, i think maybe even IGCD too? I think he might be town clearing Plum by association saying that when people don't make sense they are usually town. (sorry plum).

EDumey posted...

I don't have the experience with Lopen as a player to know any given "town tell" of his. But I do know he claimed to scan scum in the first topic, and everyone seemed to either forget this or disregard it entirely. I don't necessarily think he is scum at the moment, but he came in and fired off a lot of shots (a good thing to generate Day 1 conversation), and I feel a little cautious about following a lynch that the one person we know will scan as scum is leading. That's why I'm hesitant about the Ulti accusations and asked for clarification from SBell, but apparently he walked away right before I asked.

When it comes to two "miller" claims, it just seems odd that no one really gave any consideration to it at all past the first page. We talked about you (Peaf) latching on to other players earlier. It seemed like you were very willing to throw your lot in with Lopen, so I was just wondering if Miller gives you any pause at all.

I feel like i have completely missed this post from Lopen. I'll admit i've already had to reflect on my poor memory reading some of my own posts as i play catch-up and actively play at the same time.
But are you saying the two Miller claims are Lopen and Plum being a "Flavor Miller" which isn't really a thing, he's just not a character of this videogame?

Leafeon13N posted...

I think you are reading too deep in my post and the context you think I'm missing doesn't matter.

But feel free to humor me by elaborating on the context you think I'm missing

Lopen posted...

Ultimately I am waning on JC. If for no other reason than I think if he was scum, he'd have been bussed by at least SOMEONE. I wouldn't be alone in the trenches here.

The other possibility is he is scum and one or more of his scum buddies pretended to bus him and then got "convinced" otherwise.

this post reeks of being self aware about building town equity

so far in topic 2 i haven't really liked lopen through his debate with dumey. it feels like manufactured debate against what i think is a perfectly reasonable explanation, and i like the depth of dumey's consideration of the miller counter. dumey comes out of this looking v town, liking lopen less.

No one thought Chang was scummy.
Peaf put together a case.
One person said "no you're wrong". A few said "hmm ok". One person voted then not long after moved to a different person.
Then star comes in and says that my scum list that includes chang is generic because everyone has him on their list.
Star joins me on the lynch and thinks that I went through that effort just for the sake of bussing. And is now accusing me off not being aggressive enough to push chang's lynch.
Has star made anyone else defend their vote in this manner? I feel like I've done far more than others here have (cough randomizer cough) but it's just not enough for him.
What gives?

Leafeon13N posted...

I think you are reading too deep in my post and the context you think I'm missing doesn't matter.

No I understand what you said, I just don't think I would take Plum's vote there seriously as anything other than theatrics to make a point. But it's your read on the situation I guess.

Obellisk posted...

But are you saying the two Miller claims are Lopen and Plum being a "Flavor Miller" which isn't really a thing, he's just not a character of this videogame?

Plum never actually claimed Flavor Miller to be his actual role. He said he was saying he is functionally a flavor miller because he doesn't have a Xenoblade flavor.
Lopen actually claimed Miller.
But you should read Lopen's post about that in this topic during my conversation with him before thinking too hard on that.

hey anyone who played last game, does lopen come across similarly this game in his presentations of game states based on random conditional things? i feel like he's doing a lot of that on page 3 of this topic and it was something that stood out for me last game

(as scum)

Leafeon13N posted...

But feel free to humor me by elaborating on the context you think I'm missing

By feel feee I actually mean do it because I am curious what you think I am missing and how it is relevant.

Lmao

Why do I need to build town equity like everyone has me on their town list

Including you earlier today

Your snakelike motions to try and attack me as I turn my focus are noted

Leafeon13N posted...

By feel feee I actually mean do it because I am curious what you think I am missing and how it is relevant.

Plum was frustrated that IGCD (apparently) shot Day 1 with little to no reason.
IGCD said that if it turns out he hit scum, then it will have been a good decision.
Plum says that if you random vote someone and they turn out to be scum, then it must be a good vote, right?
Then a little later Plum moves his vote to who he actually wants to vote for.

Your read that you don't think Plum would throw a vote to a randomizer out of frustration is fine. But would he do it to illustrate a point about results oriented thinking being non-logical?