Poll of the Day > David Tennant is back?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Nice, but weird. I've been out of the dr who loop. Is it worth catching up?

Anniversary special, he's been back before

Yeah 13 regened into him. I'm assuming for familiarity to win back some people alienated by the more recent direction. They've got Russell T. Davies as show runner again

slacker03150 posted...

Is it worth catching up?

Guess it depends on how far behind you are. The stuff with Jodie was definitely a mixed bag. You will have plenty of time to catch up since the specials with Tennant aren't coming out until November next year.

Garlands_Soul posted...

Yeah 13 regened into him. I'm assuming for familiarity to win back some people alienated by the more recent direction. They've got Russell T. Davies as show runner again

This. They've fucked up so very badly over the last 10 years or so - and the ratings are so deep in the toilet - that they're basically panicking and trying anything and everything they can think of to try and encourage lapsed fans to come back.

So they brought back the old showrunner from when the modern show was really popular, along with the Doctor from that time period. And they're giving him a year's worth of specials next year (3 stories) because it's the 60th anniversary year. They're hoping that's enough to respark interest.

David Tennant's really only there as a desperation intermediary before they segue into the black dude Doctor in 2024.

Yes he is in a series of specials at the end of 2023. The bigger news is Davies is the old new show runner replacing Chibbnal.

They should make Rian Johnson the next show runner and/or Doctor

ParanoidObsessive posted...

This. They've fucked up so very badly over the last 10 years or so - and the ratings are so deep in the toilet - that they're basically panicking and trying anything and everything they can think of to try and encourage lapsed fans to come back

I feel like they had to have known the previous stuff couldn't possibly work and had been going for a Producers-style scam.

Blightzkrieg posted...

They should make Rian Johnson the next show runner and/or Doctor

An American Doctor would be amusing... assuming that they haven't had one in the time I've tuned out for.

I mean I love he is going to be back, and yes I'll watch the episodes, but......I think it might be a mistake long term.

It's like bringing back Tom Baker in the original series, I stopped watching after him for along time cause the new doctors couldn't compare.

If you bring back tennant, you make it much harder to have a doctor that compares well against him. You could have had many doctors that would compare well to Jodie, heck the first doctor (eckleslie?) compares well to her, and you could have transitioned to a doctor like him well, drawn fans back etc.

Tennant is a really good actor who is fun to watch, and arguably the best doctor of the new series (I really liked the first doctor and was so sad there was only 1 season, but even I eventually came to feel Tenant was the better doctor).

I think part of the problem is all the doctors after him have been compared to him and found wanting.

Bringing him back is a temporary (heh time) fix, but it's going to make the problem worse going forward.

peter eccleston was the 9th doctor

william henry hartnell was the 1st doctor and he died in 1975

slacker03150 posted...

I've been out of the dr who loop

The Doctor Whoop?

Hard_Light posted...

peter eccleston was the 9th doctor

william henry hartnell was the 1st doctor and he died in 1975

I meant the first doctor from the new series, not the super insanely old original doctors.

it's just the same series

when you talk about the doctors, they're numbered for a reason, and 1 is 1 and 9 is 9

9 isn't 1 because it isn't 9

when you say the first doctor, I don't go "oh eccleston"

i go "...henry?"

because he's the first doctor

I hope they get their heads straight. They need to fire all of the new writing staff. I had high hopes for Jodie Whittaker. I liked a lot of the other stuff she's done, but they really boned her as the doctor. I could barely make it through her first season. They focused so much on the companions and messaging she basically became a side character in her own story. It felt like she never really got a chance to shine.

Hard_Light posted...

peter eccleston was the 9th doctor

william henry hartnell was the 1st doctor and he died in 1975

Christopher Eccleston.

Count_Drachma posted...

An American Doctor would be amusing... assuming that they haven't had one in the time I've tuned out for.

They weren't even willing to have an American Doctor when they were trying to co-produce the show with an American network in America.

The closest they got was getting Eric Roberts to play The Master. And then literally everyone made fun of him.

Hard_Light posted...

it's just the same series

when you talk about the doctors, they're numbered for a reason, and 1 is 1 and 9 is 9

9 isn't 1 because it isn't 9

when you say the first doctor, I don't go "oh eccleston"

i go "...henry?"

because he's the first doctor

This is something that drives me crazy. My wife started watching with the newer ones (Ecclestone) and she does the same thing. She's like oh yeah, the first doctor... when she's talking about Ecclestone.

Mesiah21 posted...

Guess it depends on how far behind you are

I wasn't a fan of the first few episodes after the 12th doctor and figured I would come back and binge it later and never did.

13's run has probably the worst overall story I've seen in the show. I couldn't believe how terrible Flux, her last season, was.

Yeah, Chibnal's run was all over the place, but at the very least we did get good characters and memorable performances. Just held back by lacklustre stories at times.

I'm amazed they've become so terrible at making shows at the Bbc that it takes several years just to produce a few bad episodes.
And you'd think after a few years the rookie mistakes like out of focus camera, over zoomed cameras, exaggerated facial expressions, mumbling would be fixed. But nope, the show looks like a 13 year old given a 20 million to make a TV show. Now let's zoom into Jodie's nose hairs while she talks to Yaz and keeps leaving them frame because she's moving so much.
Oh and continuity, that's an ice cream flavor right?

GameReviews posted...

This is something that drives me crazy. My wife started watching with the newer ones (Ecclestone) and she does the same thing. She's like oh yeah, the first doctor... when she's talking about Ecclestone.

To us NuWhoers, Eccleston will always be what our brains think of as "the first". Just how it is.

JustaSandwich posted...

To us NuWhoers, Eccleston will always be what our brains think of as "the first". Just how it is.

For some, I guess that makes sense Though, it still wouldnt be right I started with the new series (though I did later go back and watch what I could of the old series) But I still call them their correct numbers

JustaSandwich posted...

To us NuWhoers, Eccleston will always be what our brains think of as "the first". Just how it is.

why are you comfortable with the fact that you're wrong

Hard_Light posted...

why are you comfortable with the fact that you're wrong

It's not wrong, it's relative. Eccleston is the first doctor within a numbered list of series starting with "Series 1", aka NuWho. Obviously that doesn't make him "The First Doctor" as an official title, but as an adjective describing his relative position among Doctors appearing within NuWho (which is how wolfy42 used it, and you obviously understood what he meant), it is accurate to say he's the first.

JustaSandwich posted...

It's not wrong, it's relative. Eccleston is the first doctor within a numbered list of series starting with "Series 1", aka NuWho. Obviously that doesn't make him "The First Doctor" as an official title, but as an adjective describing his relative position among Doctors appearing within NuWho (which is how wolfy42 used it, and you obviously understood what he meant), it is accurate to say he's the first.

It wouldnt be accurate. But you also wouldnt be the first to mistakenly call him the first doctor. Just because people make the mistake a lot doesnt mean its a good descriptor. Its like if a bunch of people kept calling someone by the wrong name. Doesnt mean the name is right. Just means that a lot of people are wrong

I mean, I honestly don't care about semantics, but I even mentioned "the original series" in the post where I called him the first doctor. It was obvious from the context of my post that I considered it a different series and that he was the first doctor of the new series.

I watched the old series btw, I didn't watch much before Tom, but I did watch it some, I didn't watch much AFTER tom because I couldn't handle the transition (Same I had with Tennant tbh).

So yeah, Ecclesly (I can't spell names or even remember them well anymore), wasn't the FIRST doctor, but he was the first doctor of the new series that many people actually started watching Dr Who all together with. I think it was clear who I was referring to, and what "first" he was (in the new series).

I get liking to number them right etc, but there was no real reason to correct me based on the context of my message.

LinkPizza posted...

It wouldnt be accurate. But you also wouldnt be the first to mistakenly call him the first doctor. Just because people make the mistake a lot doesnt mean its a good descriptor. Its like if a bunch of people kept calling someone by the wrong name. Doesnt mean the name is right. Just means that a lot of people are wrong

It's not a name, it's an adjective. It's like if I refer to the first post on this page, and you come along and tell me I'm wrong because it's not the first post in this topic. That would be silly, because the word "first" is relative to whatever parameters are established.

Blightzkrieg posted...

They should make Rian Johnson the next show runner and/or Doctor

I would excitedly watch this

JustaSandwich posted...

It's not a name, it's an adjective. It's like if I refer to the first post on this page, and you come along and tell me I'm wrong because it's not the first post in this topic. That would be silly, because the word "first" is relative to whatever parameters are established.

When I mentioned the name, that was part of the analogy And if you said first post on this page, I wouldnt correct you because first post on this page is more specific (not to mention everyones page layout is different). If you said first post on this page, that would be like saying first doctor in the new series. Which if you say that, then there was nothing said that was wrong But just saying first doctor (without establishing parameters) would be wrong

LinkPizza posted...

Which if you say that, then there was nothing said that was wrong But just saying first doctor (without establishing parameters) would be wrong

"It's like bringing back Tom Baker in the original series, I stopped watching after him for along time cause the new doctors couldn't compare.

If you bring back tennant, you make it much harder to have a doctor that compares well against him. You could have had many doctors that would compare well to Jodie, heck the first doctor (eckleslie?) compares well to her, and you could have transitioned to a doctor like him well, drawn fans back etc."

Literally in the previous statement I mentioned the original series, obviously meaning that I was talking about the new series in the next paragraph. So I did basically say the first doctor of the new series (or more specifically first doctor in the non-original series).

Could I have been a bit more specific? Sure, but it wasn't needed to get my point across, and honestly don't think it needed to be corrected. *shrug*

it needed to be corrected because it was wrong

eccleston is not the first doctor, in any stretch of the way

he was the ninth

Hard_Light posted...

it needed to be corrected because it was wrong

eccleston is not the first doctor, in any stretch of the way

he was the ninth

He was the first doctor of the new series. I stated in the previous sentence that tom was from the original series. I didn't need to state that Eccleston was from the new series as I made it obvious I considered Tom from a previous series.

He IS the first doctor of the new series. He isn't "The First Doctor", but he is the first one of the new series which is obvious what I meant.

there is no new series

it's all the same series

that is why he is officially the 9th doctor and not the first

so no, it is not obvious what you meant since you are completely wrong about what you are saying

Helly, please don't comment if you have no idea what you're talking about.
When we say series in reference to Doctor Who we mean "season" as that is what they are called in the UK.

While shows in the UK do called seasons series, it would still be wrong since this would be like a way higher number, then...

Honestly it's in everyone's best interests to pretend Day of the Doctor was the series finale.

GanonsSpirit posted...

Honestly it's in everyone's best interests to pretend Day of the Doctor was the series finale.

I liked Peter Capaldi a lot, I just wasn't a huge fan of a lot of his episodes/arcs.

I didn't really like Missy.

I liked Capaldi a lot too, the problem is his Doctor is written incredibly inconsistently and he has some of the worst episodes in the show (e.g. the moon one and the forest one). The last episode I watched was the River Song one and I thought that was pretty good.

LinkPizza posted...

When I mentioned the name, that was part of the analogy And if you said first post on this page, I wouldnt correct you because first post on this page is more specific (not to mention everyones page layout is different). If you said first post on this page, that would be like saying first doctor in the new series. Which if you say that, then there was nothing said that was wrong But just saying first doctor (without establishing parameters) would be wrong

Wolfy did establish parameters, though. Maybe he could have been clearer, but I think it was still pretty clear that he was comparing the NuWho doctors and referring to Eccleston as the first of the NuWho Doctors.

Hard_Light posted...

there is no new series

Eccleston's series is literally called Series 1. NuWho is categorized differently in DVD box sets and streaming services. It's very clearly a new show set within the same continuity.

JustaSandwich posted...

Wolfy did establish parameters, though. Maybe he could have been clearer, but I think it was still pretty clear that he was comparing the NuWho doctors and referring to Eccleston as the first of the NuWho Doctors.

But I wasn't talking about Wolfy's post. I was just replying to yours. All I said was even though you think of Eccleston as the first, he's still not... And just because NuWho fans call Eccelston the first doesn't mean anything. He's still the ninth...

GanonsSpirit posted...

the moon one

Oh my god fuck that episode

Hard_Light posted...

it's just the same series

when you talk about the doctors, they're numbered for a reason, and 1 is 1 and 9 is 9

9 isn't 1 because it isn't 9

when you say the first doctor, I don't go "oh eccleston"

i go "...henry?"

because he's the first doctor

You think of William Hartnell as Henry?

LinkPizza posted...

But I wasn't talking about Wolfy's post. I was just replying to yours. All I said was even though you think of Eccleston as the first, he's still not... And just because NuWho fans call Eccelston the first doesn't mean anything. He's still the ninth...

Well I don't deny that he's not the first in the franchise, or in terms of in-universe continuity (although, thanks to the Timeless Child, even Hartnell isn't truly the first incarnation of the Doctor in terms of in-universe continuity, he's just the oldest incarnation the Doctor can remember). My point was simply that for NuWho watchers, Eccleston is the first Doctor we are exposed to within the context of NuWho. The classic Doctors are just distant backstory to us, no different than the War Doctor or the Fugitive Doctor.

LinkPizza posted...

While shows in the UK do called seasons series, it would still be wrong since this would be like a way higher number, then...

No, because Classic Doctor Who is segmented into seasons and has a different format.
Something like Trial of a Time Lord doesn't really compare in format to Flux but both were an overarching plot.

The season/series thing is kind of weird. Classic Doctor Who is divided into seasons, it starts with Season 1 and ends with Season 26. The Doctor Who revival is divided into series, and starts with Series 1 and is currently up to Series 13. I guess BBC just felt that the season/series thing was the best way to distinguish between the two.

JustaSandwich posted...

Well I don't deny that he's not the first in the franchise, or in terms of in-universe continuity (although, thanks to the Timeless Child, even Hartnell isn't truly the first incarnation of the Doctor in terms of in-universe continuity, he's just the oldest incarnation the Doctor can remember [and for NuWho-only watchers, Hartnell isn't even who we associate with that incarnation, since he's played by David Bradley in NuWho]). My point was simply that for NuWho watchers, Eccleston is the first Doctor we are exposed to within the context of NuWho. The classic Doctors are just distant backstory to us, no different than the War Doctor or the Fugitive Doctor.

Im not denying that Eccelston is the first doctor to you. Thats never been the issue. The issue is that in the end, hes still not the first doctor of the series, regardless if hes your first doctor The problem was who was your first doctor And not all NuWho watchers feel the same Technically, Im a NuWho watcher, as well

Judgmenl posted...

No, because Classic Doctor Who is segmented into seasons and has a different format.
Something like Trial of a Time Lord doesn't really compare in format to Flux but both were an overarching plot.

JustaSandwich posted...

The season/series thing is kind of weird. Classic Doctor Who is divided into seasons, it starts with Season 1 and ends with Season 26. The Doctor Who revival is divided into series, and starts with Series 1 and is currently up to Series 13. I guess BBC just felt that the season/series thing was the best way to distinguish between the two.

In the end, its different word used to describe the same thing Both are technically a new season

LinkPizza posted...

The issue is that in the end, hes still not the first doctor of the series, regardless if hes your first doctor

LinkPizza posted...

In the end, its different word used to describe the same thing Both are technically a new season

Please man, you don't need to correct the guy when he says Eccleston is the first doctor when you both know he means the first one in the reboot. He knows he wasn't the first guy to play the doctor ever, you know he didn't mean that.

Just like you're right that people don't need to be obsessive about using series or season if everyone knows what we're talking about. Please allow that, "it's fine not being so anal if we're all on the same page" energy to be extended to others as well.

This trite arguing over random details is why people are leaving PotD and why we're almost down to 5 pages of posts. Nobody wants to talk to people who do nothing but incessantly argue about these random details. This is why Helly will be the only user left on here at the end of the day.

Judgmenl posted...

This trite arguing over random details is why people are leaving PotD and why we're almost down to 5 pages of posts. Nobody wants to talk to people who do nothing but incessantly argue about these random details. This is why Helly will be the only user left on here at the end of the day.

Its not the only reason. You can barely say anything here because everything offends someone else And then people get stupid mods