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IfGodCouldDie
06/22/22 9:52:27 AM
#403:


Man, Marvel really, really doesn't want to go back to Inhumans lol.

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LinkMarioSamus
06/22/22 11:50:03 AM
#404:


Saw Multiverse of Madness. I lots of fun and got the cosmic horror adventure I wanted but I recognize most of the criticisms and I feel like only Sam Raimi could make this work.

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MoogleKupo141
06/22/22 2:47:30 PM
#405:


lol why is the grooms sisters dorky white friend part of the wedding dance number

for real laughed so hard at that

also when the music started I thought it was weird that they were going to be dancing to a black eyed peas song from like 2005 because Im a dummy and didnt realized it sampled something

also more seriously, the Clandestines plan to go aggressive so fast seems dumb. They waited like a hundred years, they couldnt give Kamala a couple days to figure stuff out? She didnt even say definitely no.

i mean, they turned on her so fast that I dont get why they didnt just take the bangle the moment they met her

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CelesMyUserName
06/22/22 2:49:29 PM
#406:


oh geez heard the Djinn rumors ages ago but I thought it was downplayed to be more of a conceptual explanation than literally that happening

good moments though, weddings nice, got a bit emotional with parents talks, and then legit cheered when Kamala punched 'em out when Bruno was in danger

boy is that a really quick villainous turn with no warning tho


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MoogleKupo141
06/22/22 2:56:50 PM
#407:


also, about Kamalas origin: she probably isnt literally a Djinn, its more like the Clandestine were superstitiously misidentified as such. Unless these Clandestine arent the first ones in this dimension, the concept of djinn would predate them by a long time. They could still be alt-universe Kree or something.

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CelesMyUserName
06/22/22 2:58:09 PM
#408:


yeah while watching I was still thinking that could be the case but we'll see

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mnkboy907
06/23/22 2:39:48 AM
#409:


Watched Doctor Strange and overall enjoyed it. Biggest complaint was that they really needed more connective tissue between the end of WandaVision and Wanda going genocidal. I mean yes, losing her kids (only to discover they still exist out in the multiverse) brought her grief to a new level + Darkholde corruption, but there could've been a little more. I thought that's where they may have been going when Xavier jumped into her mind, but nope. I'd be curious to know if there are some deleted scenes that may have helped.

The Illuminati was fun and I wouldn't mind Krasinski being 616 Mr. Fantastic too. Kinda surprised they actually brought Anson Mount back as Blackbolt. Hope for more AoS character appearances reinvigorated!

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Waluigi1
06/23/22 3:25:48 AM
#410:


The hand they took the bangle off of was totally a Kree right? It was blue.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/23/22 7:28:40 AM
#411:


Ya

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MoogleKupo141
06/23/22 10:53:37 AM
#412:


Waluigi1 posted...
The hand they took the bangle off of was totally a Kree right? It was blue.

or its the genie from aladdin

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Aecioo
06/23/22 11:47:25 AM
#413:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
or its the genie from aladdin

wasit the famous will Smith slap hand?

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UltimaterializerX
06/23/22 6:58:07 PM
#414:


Okay NOW it's getting interesting. Good episode.

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Johnbobb
06/23/22 8:50:00 PM
#415:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
also more seriously, the Clandestines plan to go aggressive so fast seems dumb. They waited like a hundred years, they couldnt give Kamala a couple days to figure stuff out? She didnt even say definitely no.

i mean, they turned on her so fast that I dont get why they didnt just take the bangle the moment they met her

CelesMyUserName posted...
boy is that a really quick villainous turn with no warning tho

Yeah this my biggest complaint about the episode. It happened so fast and for such flimsy reasoning I legitimately thought I had missed something. She even goes as far as to say "Why would I protect someone who betrayed me?" when all Kamala did was ask for a few days to consider things? At that point just have her be a villain; a heel turn doesn't work dramatically if it's literally like 5 seconds after the character is introduced.

Overall better episode than the last two, mostly because it feels more focused on the story it's trying to tell and less on preteen romcom tropes


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mnkboy907
06/23/22 11:01:08 PM
#416:


Oh, another thought on MoM. With Phase 4 seemingly doing a lot to establish the new Young Avengers, after WandaVision, I was really expecting this movie to properly introduce Billy and Tommy into the MCU, as like adults or something. Obviously that did not happen, and now I'm left wondering if it's even going to happen at all.

I just want to see Wiccan and Hulkling as a big screen power couple. :(


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LinkMarioSamus
06/24/22 4:43:28 AM
#417:


I feel like another reason some of my MCU takes might seem so weird is because I'm interested more in the storytelling possibilities of the superhero "genre" than in the characters per se. Although on that token I feel like Multiverse of Madness has made for an effective enough introduction to the multiverse idea seeing how this is the first time a character from the main universe is travelling through it (as opposed to a time-displaced Loki finding out about it through sheer happenstance, a cartoon showing off other universes, and characters from prior film continuities showing up in the MCU), and in hindsight I feel like the criticism that the movie doesn't do "enough" with the multiverse concept may be more because of how the whole idea has become more common in media as of late, e.g. Crisis On Infinite Earths, Into the Spider-Verse, Everything Everywhere All At Once. That's another reason I feel like The Flash is doomed even discounting other PR headaches, but that's another topic.

Speaking of, I've seen Into the Spider-Verse twice and both times only found it decent. Other members of my family love it and I get the hype, but I feel like it might have raised expectations a bit high for some which might be affecting views on Multiverse of Madness in particular and maybe to a lesser extent No Way Home.

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Leonhart4
06/24/22 7:34:48 AM
#418:


My hopes are dashed anew

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LinkMarioSamus
06/24/22 8:00:10 AM
#419:


I didn't bring up YouTube randos! Unless you count me mentioning what has been one of the most common criticisms of Doctor Strange 2.

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colliding
06/24/22 8:02:09 AM
#420:


please elaborate on what you mean about the superhero genre and its "potential" vis a vis the multiverse in your own words

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LinkMarioSamus
06/24/22 8:52:18 AM
#421:


A frequent criticism of the movie has been that it doesn't do enough with the multiverse concept. I understand that but didn't really feel that way when I was actually watching the film. I suspect more will come eventually and that this movie was meant as an introduction. Let's be honest: No Way Home only really used the multiverse for the sake of fanservice. This movie at least used it for the more fulfilling purpose of cosmic horror. I get the feeling John Carpenter would be proud.

Oh maybe Leon took issue with me bringing up other films for comparison. Might be getting too many ideas from TV Tropes. Or maybe it was me bringing up The Flash again. I still find the DCEU troubles fascinating to watch though and felt like elaborating on that so I didn't seem like I found Ezra Miller's actions "glorious" somehow!

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Aecioo
06/24/22 8:55:36 AM
#422:


I am blessed to wake up to not only one, but two LMS posts.

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CassandraCain
06/24/22 11:47:27 AM
#423:


I on the other hand need to wake up a bit more before I dive head first into some good LMS lore

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colliding
06/24/22 1:35:51 PM
#424:


thank you for elaborating, lms. sometimes your posts will raise an interesting point in the first sentence and then get distracted.

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colliding
06/26/22 7:16:52 PM
#425:


three episodes in to moon knight and I think this is the worst MCU show/movie by a significant margin

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MoogleKupo141
06/29/22 3:23:00 AM
#426:


lol Kamala trying to throw a dagger

I know its controversial that they changed her powers, but theyre pretty cool here. Sort of incorporates her comic stretching, and also doesnt feel totally like Green Lantern. I love the way she creates platforms for herself to get around.

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MoogleKupo141
06/29/22 4:29:32 AM
#427:


ok im finally watching MoM and I clearly forgot something, so Im wondering... why is Wong the Sorcerer Supreme?

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Grand Kirby
06/29/22 4:32:55 AM
#428:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
ok im finally watching MoM and I clearly forgot something, so Im wondering... why is Wong the Sorcerer Supreme?
Doctor Strange was dust for five years and someone had to fill the position.

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Murphiroth
06/29/22 4:39:46 AM
#429:


Grand Kirby posted...
Doctor Strange was dust for five years and someone had to fill the position.

And Strange is really salty about it.
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MoogleKupo141
06/29/22 4:46:13 AM
#430:


Grand Kirby posted...
Doctor Strange was dust for five years and someone had to fill the position.

oh ok that makes sense, I couldnt remember if Wong was dusted or not

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GuessMyUserName
06/29/22 5:18:28 AM
#431:


ms marvel whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat we doing thisssss???

back half is great aIthough gotta say the D+ 6-ep format really makes it hard to enjoy downtimes, like again it feels like every time we hit episode 4 I can never help feeling the tick-tock of the episode count and frustrated at so much being left unknown and unsure where we're headed. back-half does speed up and I mean that quite literally it kinda feels like it's in fast-forward

I am enjoying this a lot but yeah the episode count is very much daunting to me which is all too familiar a feeling right after Moon Knight & Obi-Wan... [Marvel & Kenobi spoilerz] Clandestines suddenly appearing in Pakistan reminds me so much of Reva just warping to Tatooine

man I can't wait for She-Hulk to give us more breathing space within a series

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Janus5k
06/29/22 5:43:11 AM
#432:


man I think Moon Knight spoiled me with Harrow because my most prominent thought during that episode was how lame the Clandestines are as villains so far

How did they even know Kamala went to Karachi? Felt like I missed something there.

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MoogleKupo141
06/29/22 5:47:57 AM
#433:


oh man, (MoM spoilees)

the 90s X-Men music when Xavier wheels in was so good! and his ducking chair looks perfect

also my fears have been confirmed, I am not feeling the Krasinski version of Reed. I really hope this was just a fun one-off goof and they get someone else for the main universe. I just cant believe him as the smartest man on Earth.

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LinkMarioSamus
06/29/22 6:10:25 AM
#434:


Wasn't feeling him either TBH.

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MoogleKupo141
06/29/22 6:34:41 AM
#435:


also non spoilery thought: it is very funny that Americas name is America

Characters asking stuff like is America ok?

no! No it is not ok at all!

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Mr Lasastryke
06/29/22 7:05:05 AM
#436:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
the 90s X-Men music when Xavier wheels in was so good!

i haven't seen the movie yet but i did hear about that scene and man, it sounds like rise of skywalker level fanservice >_>


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LinkMarioSamus
06/29/22 7:07:24 AM
#437:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
also non spoilery thought: it is very funny that Americas name is America

Characters asking stuff like is America ok?

no! No it is not ok at all!

Somehow this never came to mind when I watched it. America isn't a terribly uncommon name.

I wanted to bring up something regarding the fanservice in Doctor Strange but it involves those "YouTube randos" (though for the record, this is something I saw almost two months ago) so I figured most of the board wouldn't care.

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Mr Lasastryke
06/29/22 7:15:55 AM
#438:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
I wanted to bring up something regarding the fanservice in Doctor Strange but it involves those "YouTube randos" (though for the record, this is something I saw almost two months ago) so I figured most of the board wouldn't care.

i'm interested, as long as those youtube randos aren't any of those alt-right idiots.

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LinkMarioSamus
06/29/22 7:48:35 AM
#439:


Unfortunately it kind of is. Albeit it's not necessarily political criticism, but it does involve bringing up a certain movie that has become the alt-right's favorite boogeyman.

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Leonhart4
06/29/22 8:42:13 AM
#440:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i'm interested, as long as those youtube randos aren't any of those alt-right idiots.

He doesn't watch any other kind despite insisting he doesn't watch them anymore and absolutely in no way whatsoever agrees with them

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LinkMarioSamus
06/29/22 10:21:34 AM
#441:


I did mention it was something I saw a while ago but point taken I guess?

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TotallyNotMI
06/29/22 3:19:34 PM
#442:


One of my most hated tropes is ancient organization meant to protect something that immedietly fails to protect the thing.

Probably the weakest Ms. Marvel episode so far

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GuessMyUserName
06/29/22 3:40:24 PM
#443:


Not sure how I feel about the ep but it's a bit sad to be so pulled away from the New Jersey life with Bruno & Nakia getting left in the dust (not to mention DoDC?) and I'm not sure if we're done with them? Next ep's apparently starting into time travel so it doesn't feel like we'd be heading home soon but then it'll be the finale and what endgame is even being set for that?

I hate that my mind always goes to these quandaries with these 6-ep shows

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TotallyNotMI
06/29/22 5:11:13 PM
#444:


Yeah, Bruno's absence was very prevalent to me in this episode.

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StealThisSheen
06/29/22 5:15:08 PM
#445:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
oh man, (MoM spoilees)

the 90s X-Men music when Xavier wheels in was so good! and his ducking chair looks perfect

also my fears have been confirmed, I am not feeling the Krasinski version of Reed. I really hope this was just a fun one-off goof and they get someone else for the main universe. I just cant believe him as the smartest man on Earth.

I actually thought he was great, since besides being the smartest man on Earth, there's gotta be a level of smugness/arrogance that the actor needs to hit without it being overbearing, and I thought Krasinski did it very well. Like, there's a sweet spot with Reed where he isn't your typical movie arrogant, but he basically knows what he is and he's extremely confident in that, almost to a fault, so you need somebody that can play that up.

EDIT: I've always felt that with Reed, it's more important to have somebody that can play the role of believing they're the smartest/being very confident in that, over somebody who can just play the actual intelligence itself.

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06/29/22 10:03:34 PM
#446:


moon knight beated.

episode 5 was interesting. the rest is literal garbage. super super cheesy.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/29/22 10:10:04 PM
#447:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i haven't seen the movie yet but i did hear about that scene and man, it sounds like rise of skywalker level fanservice >_>
Nah, it's cute homage.

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StealThisSheen
06/29/22 10:15:56 PM
#448:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i haven't seen the movie yet but i did hear about that scene and man, it sounds like rise of skywalker level fanservice >_>

I feel like anybody just willingly taking this stance without even having seen it is just looking for reasons to be miserable.

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Seanchan
06/29/22 10:24:42 PM
#449:


Ms. Marvel started off so strong and I just really haven't been feeling these last 2 episodes.

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Johnbobb
06/29/22 10:44:00 PM
#450:


TotallyNotMI posted...
One of my most hated tropes is ancient organization meant to protect something that immedietly fails to protect the thing.
You mean the literal exact thing they just did in Moon Knight too? Yeah, I'm with you, it's getting old

Seanchan posted...
Ms. Marvel started off so strong and I just really haven't been feeling these last 2 episodes.
Tbh I felt like it started off weak and then just kinda stayed there. Like there's been some neat stuff but for every neat thing it introduces there's even more that's either tonally inconsistent or just doesn't make sense. The Clandestines are somehow a less interesting and more nonsensical villain group than the Flag Smashers were in FatWS.

And holy hell does this suffer from trying to rush its plot, half the time it never gives reason things are happening, they just kinda happen because they need to set up the next episode.

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Johnbobb
06/29/22 10:49:37 PM
#451:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Nah, it's cute homage.
Yeah the X-Men soundtrack thing is literally like 3 seconds long and is easily missable if you're not already familiar with it. Just a cool little thing for fans

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UltimaterializerX
06/29/22 11:01:10 PM
#452:


Seanchan posted...
Ms. Marvel started off so strong and I just really haven't been feeling these last 2 episodes.
The pacing of the actual plot has been garbage. The only good parts for me are when they show what Islamic culture looks like, because Western media especially does the actual worst job of this. It's nice seeing Islam in a good light instead of what was in American Sniper.

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