Board 8 > Johnny Depp v. Amber Heard Trial

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Please don't bring Hasan into this topic.

He's actually terrible.

No hes not.

At least 3 people said its suspicious or agreed it was, you dont get to act like the people who see that as crazy are wrong when youre immediately backing down lol.

Yeah, whoever the jury does end up believing there's no denying that Heard's team boned the narrative she wanted to deliver to the public court. So much so that she fired her PR team for headlines she wasn't liking, which is bonkers in of itself.

I think they were a bad match, a substance abuser and a narcissist. Should not have come to this. But her team fumbling her defense, lack of witnesses and evidence to corroborate some of her incredible allegations, it's just not a good look. If the checks you are handing me keep bouncing back then we have problems.

hasan is a great political commentator but he's also kind of an asshole.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

He then kicked her in the back and she was staring at the floor of the plane

Kicked in the back? Where in the plane were these two when this allegedly happened? Like if Amber was sitting down her back wouldn't be exposed.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Kicked in the back? Where in the plane were these two when this allegedly happened? Like if Amber was sitting down her back wouldn't be exposed.

She said she got up and that he kicked her in the back in front of everyone. Everyone who was there said they never saw anything like that and the only other person she named there was Jerry Judge, who is deceased. She has no witnesses she is calling to corroborate this like those working on it, who she also claimed witnessed it.

Her then vs now, interesting:
https://youtu.be/EcImRj6qVLY

Amber Heard is a pathological liar and this should prove that once and for all. Would not shock me to see an appeal in the UK court now that it's become clear her evidence was phony.

I can't wait for somebody to make a comedy movie based on this - though this is hilarious enough as it is. I'm also planning on watching SNL tonight, because they're gonna have fun with this.

It's dumbfounding how Amber is completely contradicting everything and trying to fully absolve herself. By not admitting to human errors, she's weakening her case. Admit you're not perfect. Show vulnerability. Confirm some things that Johnny's witnesses said, but dispute others. She's making this "one extreme or the other" and, given the amount of lies she's been caught in, it won't end favorably for her. Like even though juries tend to be people of below average intelligence, I don't think they're stupid enough to buy her shit.

The UK trial was appealed and denied and it will not be run back.

I made a post critical of this thread, but I deleted it thinking it wasn't fair for me to post it without knowing anything about the trial (and not caring enough to read up on it)

carry on

DAY 15 - Part 2

We're back and it gets from "Okay, if everyone else is lying, I guess I can believe you" to "There is no chance any of these insane stories you are telling are true because you should be dead or hospitalized in them."

She brings up a story where Isaac Barusch (the delightful old man who went off and talked about how Amber lied because he saw her without a bruise the day she got her restraining order. Apparently Johnny was so incoherent in some argument and then she was just calling to see if he was okay and Isaac hung up the other time. Alright.

Amber told another story about him manhandling him and said he still had his glasses on and the story was just told to talk about how big and powerful and effortlessly he would abuse her. "And I know it's hard to understand, but I just wanted things to be okay so I just put my hand on his shoulder." And then they went on a red carpet walk and she was worried about having bruises but she didn't have any bruises but she remembered how embarrassing it was to have to worry about bruises in her backless dress.

They get married and she was sooooo happy. But we're getting to Australia now where she is asked if Johnny would ever get her MDMA and she just scoffs and goes "That's ridiculous! After Russia I learned my lesson that I would NEVER do drugs around Johnny!" She's such a pure woman, despite her nurse's notes saying she is an alcoholic and a coke abuser. Also she just admitted to there being a scheduled MDMA and wine time on their wedding itinerary. They show a bunch of "before" photos, with pictures of a road, trees, and kangaroos, I guess to show how remote everything is...? And a bunch of photos inside. Most of these are from Ben King, who I don't know if I mentioned it or not, he had more pictures but nobody ever asked him for them from either side so they're trying to frame them as pictures being witheld. And I mean why would anyone care about these photos because there are zero substantial photos he had added.

He said he pulled out a bag of MDMA and she was SHOCKED because he should know that she wouldn't want him to do MDMA. And then he starts drinking again. Coincidentally, from here, she doesn't have the best memory of things and they are just flashes in her mind now. But she remembers that she did the match for how many pills were in the bag before, and then after, and he took 8 or 10 MDMA pills, but she's just not positive. That is overdose territory, FYI. Anyway, he shoves her hard and she said she skidded across the floor and they argued more and more. He's choking her against the fridge and bashing her head against a wall after that and slapping her in the face, screaming at her. She broke free and then stormed off though, it's fine. If someone is choking you and bashing your head against the wall and you get free, you just storm off in a huff that's all. You don't sprint away in fear of your life. She did barricade herself away from him. She tries to justify why they were arguing about Billy Bob Thornton, and she defended their argument with Johnny saying Amber didn't like his sister.

Then he screams at his agent about losing money, so I guess she's also going to claim that he was never being screwed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars which means the Monopoly Man who testified to helping him out with that would somehow be a liar too. But then Amber, once again, had wanted to get the post-nup and not Johnny after all, and he called HER lawyer to chew her out about it. Keep in mind that in Johnny's telling, he set Amber up to talk to his attorneys about a post-nup and he chewed them out after Amber said she was being disrespected by them. Anyway, he fired HER lawyer (who is also not set to be a witness) and told Amber the only way out of their marriage... WAS DEATH! So it's just... the exact opposite story. Everything is just the exact opposite.

We jump to him drinking, then jump to him having her by the neck again and slamming her head against the wall yet again, and curiously she mentioned he was yelling "Everyone warned me about you. And I wish I never married you." See, it's things like this that I'm sure things he yelled are in the realm of possibility, because honestly why wouldn't everyone around him witness her and be like "Yo, Johnny, I don't think you should commit to this." Like every story seems like it has some connections to reality, but it veers off into something absolutely insane. Like is it more reasonable they argued and she just threw shit at him and obliterated his finger, or... well this story.

Eventually he wrestled her onto a table and then she got away and he knocked her to the ground from behind, grabbed her again and put a broken bottle to her face and that he'd carve it up. "I don't remember when he did that but it definitely happened, and also he told me this before on the plane." He threw bottles at him, so many cans and bottles at her just shattering around her. He was punching the wall. He ripped her nightgown off of her while she was naked and she said her feet were slipping on the broken glass (which if you step on glass from bottles that are curved you literally should not be able to walk and you'll bleed profusely and you need to go to the hospital). He drags her through the glass and throws her on the wall repeatedly, and then with one hand grabs a phone and screaming that he hates her and that she ruined his life and that he was smashing the phone to smithereens (because this is how she says that he shattered his finger, also despite this and the punching the walls and her face there was no damage in any medical records to his knuckles that night when he went to the hospital).

He then pinned her down and she looked in his eyes... AND THEY WERE BLACK! SHE DIDN'T SEE HIM ANYMORE! HIS EYES WERE JUST BLACK! SHE COULDN'T SEE HIM AT ALL! He was bashing her head against the back of the bar and holding her by the throat and she couldn't breathe. She has a "breakdown" here and she was bent over backwards over the bar and... I'm going to spoiler this part. Trigger Warning for sexual abuse. She thought she was fisting her at first, feeling pressure on her pubic bone, and she remembers all the broken glass and realized he had a bottle and was shoving it inside her to the pubic bone. But she remembers during this praying to god it wasn't a broken bottle. Anyway, she should be in the hospital from this. Do I even need to explain?

She then passes out after taking a bunch of sleeping pills and she woke up to the sound of MARILYN MANSON MUSIC. Gotta somehow shoehorn Marilyn Manson in this story. She discusses Johnny having painted on the walls and stuff, denies writing in lipstick. She can't remember a lot, but she DOES remember in excruciating detail where there was glass and where all the writing was. Then he showed her his bleeding finger and said "Look what you made me do! You made me do this!" Anyway, she's still very concerned about him at this moment and his finger and says they need to call 911 and they call Jerry Judge, and then she walks over on feet sliced up with broken glass to make her coffee while they wait for him to show up. After all this, just casually making coffee after this horrific abuse she received. He threw the coffee away and yelled at her again before security arrived.

And then while they were trying to figure out what happened, Johnny just took out his penis in front of everyone and started peeing. (Johnny laughed at this point.) She said all of the security laughed at this while Amber and Johnny were bleeding everywhere and this horror show of a home was covered in blood and shattered glass, and they "corralled him like a wild animal" as he was peeing all over the wall and telling her that he was going to leave more messages for her.

She talked to her nurse after this, who by the way reported no injuries on her that night, and all the nurse was trying to do was give her a sedative. Not doing anything about her feet, the bruises, the swelling, the cut up body, or her bleeding from her crotch. Nah, she just needs sedatives. But this whole time she was worried about JOHNNY, and if he could die from the drugs and alcohol he consumed!

There's a recording of Australia that isn't allowed in where she outright admits to having shattered Johnny's finger because it has voices other than Johnny and Amber on it. But she claims that she left her phone out, she was passed out upstairs, and that Johnny recorded it and it eventually died from lack of battery (even though in this recording it ends with her getting close to it and talking before it cuts out).

She also said that Johnny wrapped up a bunch of meat in her nightgown that Johnny ripped off of her. Strangely she said she received it as a wedding gift from Dr. Kipper. Wtf is with this fucking weirdo doctor? Oh and the rest of the food was smeared everywhere too.

She said during the bottle violation originally that she didn't know what Johnny was saying, but when Elaine asked about what he said "Oh, yes. He was saying 'I'll fucking kill you.'" Alright. "Were you bleeding there?" "Yes I was." "Did you experience any pain later?" "........I didn't... I wasn't thinking about that. I was heartbroken. But I realized I could be hurt, because I was bleeding. [...] But the pain I felt paled in comparison to how scared and shocked I was." If you were on the fence about whether or not this happened, this exchange alone should prove she is lying about it, and shame on her for it. She doesn't remember pain from this, but she was just heartbroken over it. Oh, and Ben King had a picture of a desk with two bottles on it and she's like "I didn't realize it until I saw this picture, but he had used the Maker's Mark."

Anyway, the rest of the pictures are just... some damage? Some broken glass? Some spills? Not anything close to anything like the mayhem she described. But she kept telling us "This is actually A LOT more cleaned up than it was." So somebody cleaned up part of it, took a picture of it, then cleaned up the rest? This is what she wants us to believe. Elaine led the fuck out of this entire questioning and it was bad.

They go to a break and Johnny steps around to the front of his desk as Amber is getting off the stand and she recoils in TERROR. And Johnny just shrugged and turned around. Someone find a clip of that because it's hilarious.

To recap:
- Beaten in the back of her head
- Choked repeatedly
- Feet sliced up by glass
- Bleeding from her crotch
- Body drug through glass
- Beaten in her face with a bruise on her jaw

She heads home and there's a picture of her at the airport the next day with no marks on her, while she's wearing a sleeveless top, tight pants, and tight shoes. Just deplorable. Oh and on the call back Johnny also mentioned putting a cigarette out on his own face, btw. They also talked about wanting to end their relationship, but she bought a book about relationship advice from the airport to help their relationship after this.

Bunch of irrelevant stuff before we get to the Staircase Incident. She said she discovered on his phone that he was cheating on her the literal day after their wedding. She freaked out and confronted him about it and "I didn't care if he killed me at this point, which was likely at this stage of our relationship! He already ripped my heart out!" She doesn't recall specifics, but she does remember she was staring at the carpet. He also threw a can of Redbull at her--but she claims she was just upset because it almost hit Debbie.

The rest of the story is sort of the same as the other tellings of it, but it deviates when she says he grabbed her by the hair and then beat her in the face with his cast and Whitney, her sister, jumped in between them to protect Amber! Johnny apparently swings at Whitney, but Amber heroically for the first time in her relationship hits Johnny to protect her baby sister! She said she thought of when Johnny shoved Kate Moss down the stairs during this time, and I talked about it before, but now they can talk about Amber abusing her ex and potentially have Kate Moss testify about their relationship. Ben Chew was really excited for that. But he laughed at her after that and lunged at her before security got in the way. Amber does have Whitney who will testify on Amber's behalf, so I guess we'll see how that goes.

In December 2015, they argued over something she doesn't remember and he threw stuff at him "to slow him down", but this is also in flashes so she doesn't remember anything. Fortunately much of it is on audio which she refuses to play! He grabbed her by the hair and bashed her in the head and knocked her down the stairs. He drug her back up the stairs by her hair, and then they argued again until he shoved her over a sofa and she hit her head against a brick wall. He asked if she wanted to fist fight with her. She stared him in the eyes and he reared back and headbutt her in the nose. She says this is one of the few times she remembered the pain in the relationship and that her nose was broken and she remembers thinking that he had his hands free, so why would headbutt her!? He keeps beating her down in the face and dragging her by the hair again. He throws her on the bed, leans on her back, and punches her in the head over and over and over, POUNDING IT. She felt no pain, but only heard him saying he was going to kill her and that he hated her. And she thought this was how she was going to die before she went unconscious.

She then woke up and Amber's friend Rocky was there (also not appearing at this trial). Her friend called the nurse, not 911, and Rocky does any medical help she could there. She shows photos next of the aftermath, all without metadata. She claims Johnny ripped hair out of her scalp, which is a violent, gross, and disgusting thing, if you've ever seen aftermath of that before. So she shows a picture of short bits of her hair cut out like she just took it from a brush or clipped it from her own hair.

No blood or long strands or anything and no roots. She shows pictures of her face with barely any bruising after this, no swollen nose. "My lip is busted open there, which is difficult to see in this picture." There's only 2 pictures of her actually with a lip that looks like she was picking or chewing at it (which she has been doing all trial) because it's not actually swollen like she took a blow there. She shows pictures of her scalp and claims it was where her hair was torn out but it's not bloody or had pus on it. It just looks like a hair part. Elaine shows a picture and highlights her temple and chin and goes "What do you see here?" OBJECTION LEADING WHAT THE HELL. Also where she highlighted it just looks like a shadow and not a bruise. Also, one of these pictures has a calendar in the back that says January 2015, when this supposedly happened in December 2015.

So let's recap:
- Brutally beaten in the side and back of the head.
- Broken nose
- Busted lip
- Hair torn out
- Concussion

She's on the James Corden Show literally the next day with no swelling whatsoever. You can pull it up. To her credit, she claims the make-up girl had seen it all and this make-up girl IS supposed to testify as a witness. Literally the first witness they have who may be in her favor now. So that should be interesting.

She makes a weird metaphor about why she stayed by saying each time she was hit it was like putting a coin in a piggy bank and eventually the piggy bank was too heavy and she didn't have the will to leave.

Christmas story with his kids around, he's pouring wine on her while he's exhausted and on drugs and then his son offers to help. She goes to change and he slams her in the closet and screams at her not to embarrass him again and sniped back in response and she remembers him... grabbing her by the you-know-what through her bathing suit. Obviously trying to invoke Trump. He chased her down a gravel road, grabbed her by the hair, punched her, and then someone showed up and he stopped. All while his kids who cannot testify are there.

I'm glad this break is here because this day of testimony made me so disgusted. We're off next week and it starts back in two Mondays from now. My battered soul can rest now.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

They go to a break and Johnny steps around to the front of his desk as Amber is getting off the stand and she recoils in TERROR. And Johnny just shrugged and turned around. Someone find a clip of that because it's hilarious.

https://youtu.be/0MUOfFTUzVI

asmongold free this time

I think the biggest reason that this is so obviously a sham is that she's able to be in the same room as him and look him in the eye. If she was abused as horrifyingly as she is describing, she would not want to be within 100 feet of him. The fact that she wanted to reconcile so quickly after filing for a restraining order is telling on its own.

To recap:
-She was brutally beaten several times, yet didn't need to go to the hospital any of them
-There is photographic evidence of her looking healthy the day after each of the "major" incidents
-People who she claims would corroborate her aren't going to testify, which usually means they'll tell something that contradicts her (we'll have to see what this makeup girl says, but makeup can't hide swelling)
-All her "evidence" seems staged, partially cleaned up, or seems so banal to everyone except her
-Embellished details like "MARILYN MANSON MUSIC" make me think I'm reading an "Am I the asshole?" post.
-Her stories are exactly the opposite of Johnny's side and make her look like an innocent victim, but... the recording exists.

...yeah, it's pretty clear that she's mental.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I think the biggest reason that this is so obviously a sham is that she's able to be in the same room as him and look him in the eye. If she was abused as horrifyingly as she is describing, she would not want to be within 100 feet of him. The fact that she wanted to reconcile so quickly after filing for a restraining order is telling on its own.

To recap:
-She was brutally beaten several times, yet didn't need to go to the hospital any of them
-There is photographic evidence of her looking healthy the day after each of the "major" incidents
-People who she claims would corroborate her aren't going to testify, which usually means they'll tell something that contradicts her (we'll have to see what this makeup girl says, but makeup can't hide swelling)
-All her "evidence" seems staged, partially cleaned up, or seems so banal to everyone except her
-Embellished details like "MARILYN MANSON MUSIC" make me think I'm reading an "Am I the asshole?" post.
-Her stories are exactly the opposite of Johnny's side and make her look like an innocent victim, but... the recording exists.

...yeah, it's pretty clear that she's mental.

Yeah, it's actually Johnny who avoids eye contact as much as possible.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Also, one of these pictures has a calendar in the back that says January 2015, when this supposedly happened in December 2015.

That's an Ace Attorney level contradiction right there! I can just imagine Phoenix Wright presenting this photo as evidence for an Objection! when the witness testimony talks about when the incident took place.

Do you think the week hiatus in the trial will help or hinder either side?

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Literally the first witness they have who may be in her favor now

Is that Samantha McMillan? I thought she testified previously and said she wasn't wearing makeup all that day before going on the Corden show. Didn't see cuts or bruises either.

GavsEvans123 posted...

Do you think the week hiatus in the trial will help or hinder either side?

I would say if Amber Heard had put on a believable and convincing testimony, it would have helped. It helps regardless because she continues her testimony and didn't get torched on cross and leave jurors with that memory.

Additionally, they're probably going to see SOMETHING about the trial in these 10 days, and I doubt it's anything positive about Amber. They shouldn't see anything but it's hard.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Is that Samantha McMillan? I thought she testified previously and said she wasn't wearing makeup all that day before going on the Corden show. Didn't see cuts or bruises either.

There is a hair stylist who said she saw nothing wrong with Amber, and the make up artist said she did see something they had to cover up. Not sure what her name was.

GavsEvans123 posted...

That's an Ace Attorney level contradiction right there! I can just imagine Phoenix Wright presenting this photo as evidence for an Objection! when the witness testimony talks about when the incident took place.

"Almost Christmas" means it wasn't Christmas!

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

There is a hair stylist who said she saw nothing wrong with Amber, and the make up artist said she did see something they had to cover up. Not sure what her name was.

I looked up a bit more to this--Samantha McMillan was Amber's personal stylist who maintains Amber never had any marks and at the James Corden Show she came backstage and said to her "Can you believe I just did this with two black eyes?" And she says she did not have black eyes or any other marks.

I think the one who is supposed to testify was a make-up artist at the James Corden Show.

Whether Johnny Depp physically assaulted Amber Heard in defense from her crazy shenanigans or not we will never really know unless there is literal video proof. However no matter how strong your morals on non violence on women are, chances are you retaliate in some way when your partner constantly initiates fights and gets verbally and physically violent against you.

It is painfully obvious that Amber Heard is a terrible vile narcissistic human being that manipulated someone suffering from substance abuse and exploited him for money and fame. The fact that she is trying to paint herself as some saint that never did anything wrong and is an abuse victim is laughable. Whether Johnny wins the case or not, I hope that at least the world sees her for what she is.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I looked up a bit more to this--Samantha McMillan was Amber's personal stylist who maintains Amber never had any marks and at the James Corden Show she came backstage and said to her "Can you believe I just did this with two black eyes?" And she says she did not have black eyes or any other marks.

I think the one who is supposed to testify was a make-up artist at the James Corden Show.

That completely goes against Samantha's testimony who was more in contact with her throughout the day.

I can't get over the fact that in all of Amber's testimonies, she tries so hard to convey PTSD emotions but can't ever shed a tear no matter how much her facial expressions call for it. Not only does this prove she is a terrible actress but the fact that she tries to paint a picture of herself as this saint (when there is literal videos of her all over the internet of her being a horrible person) of a partner to a supposedly vile human being to the jury is just comedy of purest form. Let's just hope the jury isn't idiotic enough to buy all of her painfully obvious lies.

Id never even heard of her before Aquaman

The worst part about Amber's testimony is she's disputing literally EVERYTHING Depp's team presented. To look credible, she has to admit some faults. Painting herself as a faultless abuse survivor makes no sense (especially given the recordings). Johnny has admitted that he's not perfect, which makes him more real. Amber isn't human and isn't pretending to be, which hurts her case.

I'd bet James Corden's make-up artist is being paid under the table, and will vomit some "believe women hurr durr" shit. Amber's using that as an excuse to get away with abuse, and shitheads like her are why some people refuse to believe women. I myself always take their accusations seriously and believe them 95% of the time. Amber? Not so much....

• She's never been hospitalized for being beaten
• Every witness, including her then-friends, corroborates Johnny's version
• The recordings exist.
• She's been caught changing her story numerous times.
• Johnny can't make eye contact with her, yet she can with him.
• She fired her PR team.

The evidence showing that she is batshit insane is overwhelming. Pretty clear Johnny went through with the lawsuit because even if he loses, Amber's career is over. He's taking her down with him. And if he wins, he can try to build his career back if he wants to, though a lot is up to Disney. Wouldn't surprise me if he just wants to retire to get away from it all and have the thing that ruined his life pay for it.

Well on that note, Johnny did mention how he wished Jack Sparrow could have the proper sendoff the character deserves. He had full intention of continuing on with the movies. So hopefully Disney will realize their mistake (as they have before with James Gunn) and hire him back. They'd be absolutely foolish not to. After this whatever movie he shows up in is gonna make a ton of money.

swordz9 posted...

Id never even heard of her before Aquaman

Has anyone

It's interesting because the last two Pirates movies relied incredibly heavy on foreign box office in order to be profitable, with nearly 80% of Dead Man Tell No Tales box office coming from international markets.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

I can't get over the fact that in all of Amber's testimonies, she tries so hard to convey PTSD emotions but can't ever shed a tear no matter how much her facial expressions call for it. Not only does this prove she is a terrible actress but the fact that she tries to paint a picture of herself as this saint (when there is literal videos of her all over the internet of her being a horrible person) of a partner to a supposedly vile human being to the jury is just comedy of purest form. Let's just hope the jury isn't idiotic enough to buy all of her painfully obvious lies.

It's going to be fun on cross when they ask Amber about how terrified she was of Johnny and then start playing clips of her antagonizing him and calling him a pussy and trying to goad him into getting angry. If the jury buys into it now, they absolutely won't when cross happens and you just have videos of her admitting to punching him. It's actual malpractice if they screw up this cross somehow.

What will be even more funny is what she says about the cops. Because in 2016 she previously said they saw she was obviously injured and gestured at her and said "Obviously you've been hurt." And the cops said she wasn't hurt at all and they would not leave without filling out a full report if she was. So she's in a weird place now where she kind of has to call the cops liars which is a giant red flag to believability. I legitimately can't wait to see how she spins that part because it's bound to be insane.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYxAaiYfy5o

I'm convinced she is at the very least a narcisstic sociopath (which ladies and gentlemen is neither cool nor a badge of honor for the people in this very board who think so) if not an outright psychopath.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

It's going to be fun on cross when they ask Amber about how terrified she was of Johnny and then start playing clips of her antagonizing him and calling him a p**** and trying to goad him into getting angry

I just hope Johnny Depp's lawyer isn't as incompetent as Amber's on the cross examination. What a joke of a lawyer that guy was. Literally objecting to his own question lol.

I'm guessing they are supposed to be 'top tier' attorneys considering they are representing celebrities who can pay top dollar but my god it must be a really low bar if Heard's lawyers are amongst the elite.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZxD4UWYgk&t=5s

I don't think you have to be a body language expert to see through Heard's OG Resident Evil caliber performance but this video is still very telling on how the jury would have to be complete morons to take anything she is saying without a massive grain of salt.

Johnny's was so much more human and believable. Now I'm not saying he isn't lying at all. I believe he might have lied a little, downplaying his intoxication with alcohol and cocaine but I believe he at the very least isn't the own who initiates the fights. Now whether he retaliated during certain times when Heard was going on her crazy tirade (which dozens of witnesses have claimed she frequently does, including her own PA) which may have come to physical contact is another question.

Whether Johnny wins the case or not, it is certified that Heard is an evil, manipulative person with psychopathic tendencies so I will never support any of her work in the future starting with Aquaman 2 and will support any petition to remove her from future work. This must be incredibly hard to watch for people who actually suffered from domestic abuse and violence.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

I'm guessing they are supposed to be 'top tier' attorneys considering they are representing celebrities who can pay top dollar but my god it must be a really low bar if Heard's lawyers are amongst the elite.

I asked PrivateBiscuit1 about this earlier and he said that "money does not equal quality with a lawyer." Also even a lawyer with decades of experience might not have stood in an actual trial very often.

Full response is here:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79993106/964476668

That's a very nice explanation and makes a lot of sense given the context of this case.

I guess Heard has to hire Saul Goodman to salvage her claims at this rate but I hope she doesn't do that because I really wanna finish Better Call Saul's final season and I really don't wanna boycott that.

I maintain that Elaine is the only bad lawyer in this right now. She is just awful and makes everything so bad.

Rottenborn would be a great lawyer if facts were even close to being on his side. Unfortunately, they aren't. So he's left with stupid questions.

The other guy who objected to his own question has been fine in other cross exams, but that one was just rough for him and got worse because he had to ask about Johnny Depp's penis and probably just dreaded the whole thing.

Depp's team is all varying degrees of good. It seems like they figured out how to get objections ruled in their favor now and that was my main complaint.

Keep in mind that Amber's lawyers are also beholden to their client. If she wants to add in bullshit about Johnny pissing on the walls then they need to ask about his penis. If she wants them to ask other humiliating or dumb questions, they have to.

But Amber is just especially bad because Elaine just can't reign her in at all. She goes on and on to tell a great big story and after she's done Elaine has to go "Let me ask you this leading question about something important you forgot to say." And she can't stop her from constantly trying to put words into people's mouths either.

Elaine is struggling here because she's trying to get stuff admitted that shouldn't be, and she really has no good arguments for why they should be admitted, or why she should be allowed to ask certain questions. But this stuff is important to try getting in to help Amber's insane stories and her case. She COULD be doing a bit better here, but she's in a hard spot. The rest of the trial has been inexcusable though for her imo.

Yeah, agreed. Elaine just seems incompetent on a general basis, but them having to deal with Amber's bull during their workshopping and outside correspondences must be especially difficult to build a case with.

Lol Amber Heard's team so ass blasted they leaked the photos without metadata that they wanted to present as evidence of a bloody lip to TMZ.

They're still just cold sores in the same spot and one is from 2012 and another from 2019, both when they weren't dating.

So I went to a Pearl Jam concert last night (absolutely amazing time btw) and Eddie Vedder of all people gave his support to Johnny Depp during it, and it got a huge cheer.

I dunno, it's one thing to think "Well, maybe the media still has it's hooks in people and people are informed enough to realize how full of shit Amber Heard is", but hearing loud cheers from a rather large spread of people (especially in one of the most progressive cities that absolutely abide by Believe All Women) makes me think that the larger population of folks are believing Johnny Depp now.

Time for Heard to fire another PR team.

At this point in order to side with Amber you'd either have to be as delusional as she is, or just utterly incapable of admitting when you're wrong.

Granted it could be argued "inability to admit error" is a form of delusion.

Well... Amber Heard is certainly helping to compensate for Johnny not being in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, seeing as she's a fantastic beast herself if you get my drift.

I'm also against the idea of "Believe All Women" because of liars like Amber Heard existing. Such a thing implies zero exceptions, when "people" as morally corrupt as Amber exist. I believe 95% of assault/abuse victims when they say they were abused, and that includes men like Johnny. The other 5% are taking advantage of the 95%, and it's sad that such people exist.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Well... Amber Heard is certainly helping to compensate for Johnny not being in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, seeing as she's a fantastic beast herself if you get my drift.

I'm also against the idea of "Believe All Women" because of liars like Amber Heard existing. Such a thing implies zero exceptions, when "people" as morally corrupt as Amber exist. I believe 95% of assault/abuse victims when they say they were abused, and that includes men like Johnny. The other 5% are taking advantage of the 95%, and it's sad that such people exist.

Believe as in take seriously and investigate. It was never meant to be 0 doubt ever really

Unfortunately women are still human, and humanity kinda sucks a lot of the time. It's not really dependent on gender. Women can be just as corrupt and manipulative as men, or any gender in between.

Believing that all women tell the truth would mean also that all men are liars. But I have met just as many lying women as I have honest men.

Believe all women means that you take the accusation seriously and investigate, not that women cant lie.

That's fair, just saying I would also take an abuse accusation seriously if it was coming from a guy. I guess what I'm getting at here is that people should be careful about immediately believing someone when they make such an accusation in the first place, because they could be lying. Whether male or female. It absolutely deserves investigation regardless.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Believe all women means that you take the accusation seriously and investigate, not that women cant lie.

And I of course support that. It's just the semantics are an issue, since "Believe All Women" sounds like you should always side with them even if they're vile like Amber Heard.

I tend to take things very literally, as you might have guessed.

CassandraCain posted...

That's fair, just saying I would also take an abuse accusation seriously if it was coming from a guy.

That's good. I also remember when Ulti said his wife abused him, but people made jokes about it. I was pissed off, because they would have taken, say, Gotspork getting abused by her husband seriously. Abuse is abuse, regardless of the genders of the abuser and their victim.

Not believing Ulti about his wife has literally nothing to do with gender.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

And I of course support that. It's just the semantics are an issue, since "Believe All Women" sounds like you should always side with them even if they're vile like Amber Heard.

I tend to take things very literally, as you might have guessed.

Sounds like you are the type of person that would say "All Lives Matter" any time "Black Lives Matter" comes up. Like I get your point, but it feels like you are derailing the issue for no reason.

charmander6000 posted...

Sounds like you are the type of person that would say "All Lives Matter" any time "Black Lives Matter" comes up. Like I get your point, but it feels like you are derailing the issue for no reason.

I am that kind of person, but we're not gonna get into that (BAD idea to bring that up).

I take things at face value. Period. And I recognize how the semantics of such social issues can become harmful to the narrative. It's really a form of marketing in which the intended message gets lost. And I can't process it because my brain is wired so confusingly.

I once heard BLM and ALM summed up like this: When you see someone going "Save the Whales" do you feel the need to go "Yeah but what about the fish? You don't care about the fish?"

Saying BLM isn't the same as saying others do not, it is raising awareness about an issue specifically. Maybe a bad idea to bring it up but it is important to be able to understand concepts!