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Raka_Putra 02/16/22 9:48:13 PM #1: |
I'm watching a 5-hour long KH3 review/recap video and well, with all the darkness mumbo jumbo, bloated cast of characters, and so many plot details spread through dozens of spin-off games, it got me thinking that Kingdom Hearts 3 must be one of the worst games to start with for someone who wants to get into a video game series. I imagine this applies more to story-heavy series that are direct sequels, but what other games do you know that are just not a good way to introduce a new player to their series? --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Janus5k 02/16/22 9:50:17 PM #2: |
Trails of Cold Steel 4 would have to be up there. --- A hero cannot be defeated simply by making him die. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 02/16/22 9:55:48 PM #3: |
Mega Man X6 from both a story and gameplay perspective. Probably the Mega Man Zero games too. --- https://i.imgur.com/6AevF0Y.gif LOL!!!! I hope that's a joke....names don't get more n00bish than that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Underleveled 02/16/22 9:57:09 PM #4: |
Zelda II might be up there. --- darkx Games beaten in 2022 - 4; Most recent - Batman: The Telltale Series - The Enemy Within ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 02/16/22 9:57:25 PM #5: |
The latest entry in any game where the story spans multiple games. KH and Trails definitely the first to come to mind there. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UshiromiyaEva 02/16/22 9:58:12 PM #6: |
Mass Effect 3 should get special mention because the actual marketing team had a major focus on telling people they could start there. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 02/16/22 9:58:30 PM #7: |
Metal Gear Solid 4 probably --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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-hotdogturtle-- 02/16/22 9:59:27 PM #8: |
Super Mario Bros. 35 --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raetsel_Lapin 02/16/22 10:00:49 PM #9: |
Rockman EXE 4.5 Real Operation, a Battle Network spin-off that has nothing to do with the mainline games. If you thought the number meant it was actually part of the series and started there, you'd have no idea what the series even was. --- Scooby-Doo is many things, but it's definitely not a hard-core Tekken fan's idea of fun; this I can say with sheer sincerity. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mythiot 02/16/22 10:04:48 PM #10: |
Danganronpa V3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MZero 02/16/22 10:05:13 PM #11: |
hombad46 posted... Metal Gear Solid 4 probably I actually did this! In fact, I still haven't played 1-3 --- MZero, to the extreme I never saw azuarc coming, but he won the Guru! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 02/16/22 10:07:23 PM #12: |
Yeah, I heard Trails has very tight continuity. I've heard good things about the series but it's kinda daunting to get into. Mythiot posted... Danganronpa V3That's a great answer. Would be very interesting entry point, considering the ending... --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tazzyboyishere 02/16/22 10:09:02 PM #13: |
Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack --- http://i.imgur.com/l7xxLh1.jpg PSN/Steam - RoboQuote ; NNID - TazzyMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/16/22 10:11:00 PM #14: |
I imagine starting with Spirit of Justice would be a strange decision --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 02/16/22 10:11:52 PM #15: |
MZero posted... I actually did this! In fact, I still haven't played 1-3 How well did you understand what was going on? --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 02/16/22 10:16:22 PM #16: |
While we're talking about getting into a series with later games, recently I played Uncharted 4 without playing any of the previous games and thankfully it worked just fine, though I imagine the ending would've hit much harder for longtime fans. I also played Radiant Dawn without playing Path of Radiance and did just fine since it had Micaiah, though to me the Dawn Brigade was just a cool bunch of experienced mercs. --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xp1337 02/16/22 10:21:45 PM #17: |
Final Fantasy XIII-3 would be... an experience as an entry point lol. --- May you find your book in this place. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axl_Rose_85 02/16/22 10:25:46 PM #18: |
Like the ones mentioned in the topic Trails of Cold Steel IV Trails in the Sky SC Metal Gear Solid 4 Then others off the top of my head would be Mass Effect 3 Shenmue III Yakuza 6: The Song of Life Zero Time Dilemma Xenosaga Episode III Persona 5 Strikers Zone of the Enders: The 2 Bad games and a terrible representation to their series Devil May Cry 2 Dragon Age II Assassin's Creed (although the series itself is not that great) Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands Ninja Gaiden 3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axl_Rose_85 02/16/22 10:26:28 PM #19: |
Add Dead Space 3 and Fable III to the list as well ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snake5555555555 02/17/22 12:03:00 AM #20: |
Resident Evil 6, it's very dissimilar to any other main entry game and the canon lore goes pretty hard. --- I've decided to put my fears behind me. I'm not going back. https://www.instagram.com/horror_obscurities/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Accel_R8 02/17/22 12:11:20 AM #21: |
I actually played Yakuza 6 first, it was fine as it was, I thought. --- https://i.gyazo.com/6fde58a9d13e1f9272a6d6eab35bcff7.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 02/17/22 12:13:45 AM #22: |
I've only played 0 and 7 so far which funnily enough makes me completely oblivious to the 'actual' mainline story with Kiryu and Majima. --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trdl23 02/17/22 12:23:53 AM #23: |
Persona 3. Its systems have aged so, so poorly that it's become my favorite game I can never recommend. Bioshock 2 for various reasons. Any of the Final Fantasy sequel games (though Crisis Core holds up pretty well on its own as a prequel). --- E come vivo? Vivo! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 02/17/22 12:31:19 AM #24: |
Xenosaga 3. I was so damn confused. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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banananor 02/17/22 12:42:30 AM #25: |
this is a good question. hotline miami 2's difficulty starts at the maximum of 1's and only goes up from there but there's gotta be some story-based game that's inscrutable to newcomers --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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banananor 02/17/22 12:42:58 AM #26: |
trdl23 posted... Persona 3. Its systems have aged so, so poorly that it's become my favorite game I can never recommend.i agree with that, although it's not even aging poorly, the gameplay/long dungeons sucked at the time! --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LazyKenny 02/17/22 1:02:46 AM #27: |
Hitman: Absolution --- Someday, I too will become Florida Man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 02/17/22 1:35:04 AM #28: |
Persona 3 might be hard to get into nowadays, but it'll be even tougher to go back to if you start with P4/P5. ...and that's before taking P1-P2 into account. --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Snake5555555555 02/17/22 1:42:18 AM #29: |
LazyKenny posted... Hitman: Absolution It was actually my first game I played in the series and I loved it so much I went back and played all the rest. --- I've decided to put my fears behind me. I'm not going back. https://www.instagram.com/horror_obscurities/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MZero 02/17/22 4:32:54 AM #30: |
hombad46 posted... How well did you understand what was going on? I don't remember being all that confused, but this was in 2008 so it's a bit blurry. I'm sure a lot went over my head, but I enjoyed it! --- MZero, to the extreme I never saw azuarc coming, but he won the Guru! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 02/17/22 4:47:22 AM #31: |
Story-wise...a lot can fit But from gameplay, I have to go with this- SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted... Mega Man X6This game is such a mess. Worst yet is that the community refuse to admit it's the worst mainline game in the series so you can't go in thinking "oh this is the black sheep of the series" like you do with X7 Anyway not only is this game terrible, but the level design is so punishing and terrible that you might think that this is how the whole series is supposed to be --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Isquen 02/17/22 5:50:19 AM #32: |
Nanis23 posted...
Metal Shark Player's level of "oops came in normal gear you can't beat the level now" can go screw itself and I agree with like all of this. Seriously how did X6 fuck everything up so bad? --- [The Artist Formerly Known as Earthshaker.] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strife2 02/17/22 6:37:06 AM #33: |
Final Fantasy 12 or 13 are so...strange combat wise, you wonder if they are from the same franchise. As awkward as 8 is from a design and story perspective, once you see the combat, you can immediately transfer "some" of those ideas to any of the first ten games. 12 and 13 are so wildly different, you're better off going, "What these Bravely Traveller things on the handheld games" --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook 02/17/22 6:41:45 AM #34: |
X6 is the 3rd best X game. --- Bells, bells, bells! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanis23 02/17/22 6:46:40 AM #35: |
Isquen posted... Metal Shark Player's level of "oops came in normal gear you can't beat the level now" can go screw itself and I agree with like all of this.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/8/AADUNGAAC77y.jpg You mean this part? I think they expect you to somehow wall-jump on the very small part between the spikes and the ceiling Of course you have like 90% chance of fucking that up And then when the ceiling finally goes up you need to land a perfect dash jump because it's not high enough so you can bump your head into it and make X fall down instead It's terrible --- wololo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Axl_Rose_85 02/17/22 7:04:56 AM #36: |
Nanis23 posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/8/AADUNGAAC77y.jpg X6 is by far the worst Mega Man X game or maybe even in the entire series including spin-offs. X7 is bad but I liked some of the ideas there and the attempt at a 3D game despite its poor implementation. X6 on the other hand was almost unplayable because of how badly designed it was and I can't say that for any Mega Man game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RaidenGarai 02/17/22 7:30:46 AM #37: |
X6 was bad, easily second worst in the series, but X7 is one of the worst games ever. --- https://www.twitch.tv/zerothe14th ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ctesjbuvf 02/17/22 7:34:46 AM #38: |
Metal Gear Solid 4 is a good call. I love the game, but probably wouldn't if I hadn't played the others. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 02/17/22 8:07:56 AM #39: |
Raka_Putra posted... I've only played 0 and 7 so far which funnily enough makes me completely oblivious to the 'actual' mainline story with Kiryu and Majima. Interestingly I think 6 is the only Yakuza I'd put in this topic. Most of the rest definitely have connections and recurring characters but not to the point you couldn't feasibly start with them. Yakuza games tend to be self-contained stories with the real continuity being in clear character development from one game to the next, not payoffs of hanging plot threads not being resolved like some others in the topic. Basically they're more like something like the Die Hard movies or a season of 24. Completely possible to use any given one of them as an entry point, you just won't get quite as much out of it as if you did them all in order. This is compared to something like Trails where if you don't play them all before Cold Steel 4 you will just be completely and utterly lost on many major plot threads and character arcs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 02/17/22 10:26:14 AM #40: |
Besides story-driven sequels, which are not really fair answers...I feel like most Ys games are not the best game to start with. TBH, I'm not really sure which one *is* the best to start with. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 02/17/22 10:28:48 AM #41: |
azuarc posted... Besides story-driven sequels, which are not really fair answers...I feel like most Ys games are not the best game to start with. TBH, I'm not really sure which one *is* the best to start with.8 --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 02/17/22 10:40:08 AM #42: |
tcaz2 posted... Interestingly I think 6 is the only Yakuza I'd put in this topic. Most of the rest definitely have connections and recurring characters but not to the point you couldn't feasibly start with them.Yeah, I did get that impression from the way people on the internet and my friends talk about them. Though when/if I want to dive into the series further I imagine I'll start with Kiwami. azuarc posted... .I feel like most Ys games are not the best game to start with.Why? Is the gameplay too complex or something? --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lordjers 02/17/22 11:01:55 AM #43: |
Super Mario Bros. 2 (japan) --- Last finished: Zaxxon (5200+CVIS), Time Pilot (ARC+MSX+2600+Coleco), Space Pilot (C64), Star Castle (ARC), Blast Off (ARC), Bosconian (X68K). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeeksFire 02/17/22 11:54:52 AM #44: |
Heroes of Might and Magic 4. the only one that tried grid based battles and having the heroes be army units. that worked out well... (note, it was garbage to lots.) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 02/17/22 12:25:17 PM #45: |
X7 didnt have boss weaknesses (At least for zero. Dont remember X) How do you make a mega man game without boss weaknesses?!? I mean X6 is really really bad, but at least its a mega man game. It would be like making Final Fantasy 16 have no RPG elements --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KommunistKoala 02/17/22 12:27:49 PM #46: |
Assassin's Creed 1 --- does anyone even read this ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 02/17/22 12:30:54 PM #47: |
Which is more of a Mega Man game, X7 or Mighty No. 9? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strife2 02/17/22 2:10:15 PM #48: |
Mac Arrowny posted... 8 This is the answer. Ys VIII is my second favorite game other than Persona 5 released the last 5-10 years. Ys doesn't even really require story context. Just jump right in. *Adol rides a ship, Adol finds a place, Adol EXPLAINS THE SITUATION (usually a shipwreck), Adol find monster, Adol stab monster, Adol keeps EXPLAINING THE SITUATION, then Adol find blue haired girl* Same setup, different games. All good times. But VIII was the best of those times and had the best blue-haired girl to boot. Just play and have fun stabbing. --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WhiteLens 02/17/22 6:19:09 PM #49: |
Raka_Putra posted... Persona 3 might be hard to get into nowadays, but it'll be even tougher to go back to if you start with P4/P5.Persona 3 really shouldn't apply here. It was the entry game to the series for many of us on this very board. And I've seen it picked up by other (possibly younger) people before in recent years, so I think it's fine. It's like something you have to ask, do you think young people with a lot of free time on their hands have no resilience? --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; FFRK: 9k6d; FFBE: 886783216; LLSIFAS: 438166726 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 02/17/22 6:21:28 PM #50: |
You shouldn't start with any Ys games because they all suck ... Copied to Clipboard!
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