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LeonhartFour 08/04/21 10:36:02 PM #52: |
I never thought the day would come when I'd read the phrase "What ineffable twaddle" in an Ace Attorney game
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Leonhart4 08/04/21 11:50:55 PM #53: |
It feels like there's a lot of banter between Naruhodo and Susato, and then you throw in Holmes on top of that, we might get a pretty high line count.
I feel like the series got away from a lot of the back and forth between the protagonist and the assistant, which might be why we have lower line counts relative to case length for the newer games. That might be an argument for counting total text boxes instead of just unbroken speeches. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 08/05/21 12:25:17 AM #54: |
Leonhart4 posted...
It feels like there's a lot of banter between Naruhodo and Susato, and then you throw in Holmes on top of that, we might get a pretty high line count.I've never been one to criticize the work you do because it's so exhaustive and interesting, but I have always thought that total text boxes would be a more interesting count than unbroken lines of speech, even if it does favor some characters over others for various reasons (oldbag lol) My gut feeling tells me that Ryunosuke probably talks less in each case vs the standard protagonist like Phoenix or Edgeworth, just because it feels like Kazuma/Susato/Sholmes/Iris take up a lot more oxygen than most deuteroganist casts (it's somewhat rare for two other characters to talk to each other in another AA game but they do it much more often here) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 08/05/21 6:46:06 AM #55: |
Maya talks a lot during investigations when she's around. I remember being kind of amazed at the difference between how many lines Maya would have during an investigation as opposed to Trucy or Kay. She would never lag behind Phoenix by that much, relatively speaking. Trials is where Phoenix would pull away because the assistant often doesn't have much to contribute other than a witty quip or a probing question from time to time.
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LeonhartFour 08/05/21 10:42:37 PM #56: |
Whew, finally reached the first save point. Not sure how much longer we have to go, but it's been fun keeping track of stuff so far.
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Leonhart4 08/06/21 12:54:23 PM #57: |
Random Sherlock Holmes story recommendation: The Adventure of the Solitary Cyclist, which contains one of the greatest one-liners I've ever read.
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LeonhartFour 08/06/21 4:58:07 PM #58: |
I'm kinda sad they don't give this other sailor a name when they give him a sprite and he has several lines.
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LeonhartFour 08/06/21 5:15:05 PM #59: |
Sherlock's shadow boxing animation is great too because he's a top tier amateur boxer in the stories
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LeonhartFour 08/06/21 5:36:42 PM #60: |
Finished the second investigation segment. Wow, that was really short!
I also loved the exchange where Naruhodo asks Susato what kind of books Pavlova likes to read and she responds with, "It appears she likes to read books...that are written in Russian." --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/06/21 6:17:35 PM #61: |
I enjoy this misleading of the players to believe this case would play out just like the Speckled Band story, with Pavlova's disguise being that of Grimesby Roylott (the name of the culprit in that story) and the supposed use of a poisonous serpent to kill the victim.
of course if you've never read the story then it probably makes no sense but Susato is there to poke holes in the logic of the story afterwards, which is great --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/06/21 10:36:43 PM #62: |
I kind of appreciate the callback to one of the most obvious contradictions in series history from 2-1, about how a man with a broken neck couldn't write anything and how the message was nonsensical for the victim to write regardless
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 12:30:22 AM #63: |
one of the nice touches of this localization is how Naruhodo and Susato switch between using Japanese honorifics and Mr/Miss/Mrs to indicate when they're supposed to be speaking English and when they're supposed to be speaking Japanese
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 12:31:40 AM #64: |
also another similarity to 2-1 is Pavlova shoving Kazuma over a complete misunderstanding
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 12:53:49 AM #65: |
I like the mental image of Phoenix having Kazuma's family sword hanging up in his room or something, and that sword bearing the name that would be given to two of his fiercest opponents
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 1:23:25 AM #66: |
G1-2 complete! I feel like Naruhodo's statement toward the end sums up the case best: "Kazuma's death was such a waste."
So I get that's the feeling Takumi is attempting to evoke. It's meant to be a tragic accident born of a misunderstanding. It's just kind of a lame way to get rid of a character, especially one who has proven to be super likable at this point. I get you have to find a way to sideline Kazuma if you want Naruhodo to be the primary protagonist, but I think they could've handled it better. I just wish I could clearly remember how all of this stuff comes back later because it's kind of bothering me, but I also don't want to look it up. The Adventure of the Unbreakable Speckled Band (G1-2) Ryunosuke Naruhodo - 935 (39.75%) Susato Mikotoba - 564 (23.98%) Sherlock Holmes - 373 (15.86%) Nikolina Pavlova - 170 (7.23%) Satoru Hosonaga - 151 (6.42%) Bif Strogenov - 109 (4.63%) Kazuma Asogi - 25 Other - 21 Darka - 3 John H. Watson - 1 Total lines by segment: E1-5 Middle - 2476 E2-5 Beginning - 2350 6-5 Trial Day 2 - 2343 E2-2 End - 2154 G1-1 - 1985 6-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1907 3-5 Trial Day 2 - 1888 5-5 Trial Day 1 - 1693 6-4 - 1650 E1-5 End - 1626 2-4 Trial Day 2 - 1613 E2-3 End - 1603 2-4 Investigation Day 1 - 1595 3-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1575 E2-5 Middle - 1575 6-2 Trial Day 1 - 1540 4-3 Trial Day 2 - 1499 6-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1447 2-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1432 4-1 - 1421 E2-3 Middle - 1393 3-5 Investigation Day 1 - 1382 6-1 - 1362 3-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1358 6-5 Investigation Day 1 - 1340 1-5 Trial Day 3 - 1338 2-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1331 2-4 Trial Day 1 - 1306 E2-2 Middle - 1248 3-4 - 1225 3-3 Investigation Day 2 - 1221 6-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1205 G1-2 Beginning - 1189 4-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1169 3-1 - 1167 4-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1154 5-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1149 6-5 Trial Day 1 - 1132 E2-4 End - 1129 3-2 Investigation Day 2 - 1127 4-3 Investigation Day 2 - 1127 3-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1093 5-6 Trial Day 2 - 1088 6-6 Investigation Day 1 - 1054 3-3 Trial Day 2 - 1041 4-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1034 E1-4 Middle - 1030 6-3 Trial Day 2 - 1020 E2-1 Beginning - 1009 1-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1004 E1-4 End - 979 3-5 Trial Day 1 - 970 3-2 Trial Day 2 - 966 E2-3 Beginning - 963 E1-3 End - 953 1-5 Trial Day 1 - 938 1-5 Investigation Day 3 - 932 E1-4 Beginning - 926 2-2 Investigation Day 1 - 924 5-6 Investigation Day 1 - 921 6-3 Investigation Day 2 - 921 E2-1 End - 914 5-2 Trial Day 1 - 904 5-6 Investigation Day 2 - 903 2-3 Investigation Day 2 - 900 2-1 - 899 5-3 Trial Day 2 - 899 6-6 Trial Day 2 - 892 4-2 Investigation Day 2 - 891 5-2 Trial Day 2 - 875 G1-2 End - 875 1-5 Investigation Day 1 - 874 5-4 Investigation Day 1 - 872 E2-4 Beginning - 871 E2-4 Middle - 868 5-5 Investigation Day 1 - 857 4-4 Investigation Day 1 - 853 E2-5 End - 852 2-3 Trial Day 1 - 851 4-3 Trial Day 1 - 834 6-3 Trial Day 1 - 833 1-5 Trial Day 2 - 827 5-2 Investigation Day 2 - 822 2-2 Investigation Day 2 - 808 2-3 Trial Day 2 - 802 5-3 Investigation Day 2 - 789 E1-2 Beginning - 788 5-3 Investigation Day 1 - 785 2-2 Trial Day 2 - 764 4-4 Trial Day 1 - 748 E1-3 Beginning - 744 1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729 5-3 Trial Day 1 - 729 E1-5 Beginning - 729 4-2 Trial Day 1 - 724 E1-3 Middle - 715 3-3 Trial Day 1 - 708 5-6 Trial Day 1 - 704 1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700 3-2 Trial Day 1 - 700 4-2 Trial Day 2 - 699 4-0 - 679 E1-2 End - 670 1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661 5-1 Trial Day 2 - 630 1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626 2-2 Trial Day 1 - 623 5-4 Trial Day 2 - 617 6-6 Trial Day 1 - 542 E1-2 Middle - 537 E1-1 Beginning - 535 E2-2 Beginning - 534 5-4 Trial Day 1 - 529 1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524 1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519 1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517 E1-1 End - 504 4-4 Trial Day 2 - 503 1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478 5-1 Trial Day 1 - 472 1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455 1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447 1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414 1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403 1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402 1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400 1-1 - 389 1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380 1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325 G1-2 Middle - 288 Total lines by case: 6-5 - 6722 2-4 - 5946 1-5 - 5913 3-5 - 5815 E1-5 - 4831 E2-5 - 4777 4-3 - 4494 3-2 - 4151 3-3 - 4063 6-3 - 3979 E2-3 - 3959 4-4 - 3952 E2-2 - 3936 2-3 - 3884 5-2 - 3750 5-6 - 3616 4-2 - 3468 1-4 - 3466 5-3 - 3202 6-6 - 3134 2-2 - 3119 6-2 - 2987 E1-4 - 2935 E2-4 - 2868 1-3 - 2741 5-5 - 2550 E1-3 - 2412 G1-2 - 2352 5-4 - 2018 E1-2 - 1995 G1-1 - 1985 E2-1 - 1923 1-2 - 1773 6-4 - 1650 4-1 - 1421 6-1 - 1362 3-4 - 1225 3-1 - 1167 5-1 - 1102 E1-1 - 1039 2-1 - 899 4-0 - 679 1-1 - 389 Total lines by character per game: Great Ace Attorney 1 Ryunosuke Naruhodo - 1595 Susato Mikotoba - 580 Kazuma Asogi - 430 Sherlock Holmes - 374 Satoru Hosonaga - 297 Taketsuchi Auchi - 256 The Japanese Judge - 208 Nikolina Pavlova - 170 Satoru Hosonaga - 146 Jezaille Brett - 127 Bif Strogenov - 109 Iyesa Nosa - 72 Kyurio Korekuta - 44 Yujin Mikotoba - 39 Other - 32 Darka - 3 John H. Watson - 1 Most lines per case: Apollo Justice (6-5) - 2482 Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194 Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 2036 Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032 Miles Edgeworth (E2-5) - 1854 Phoenix Wright (6-3) - 1731 Apollo Justice (4-3) - 1673 Miles Edgeworth (E2-2) - 1597 Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 1570 Apollo Justice (5-2) - 1529 Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 1476 Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433 Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370 Phoenix Wright (6-6) - 1366 Phoenix Wright (5-6) - 1349 Apollo Justice (4-2) - 1339 Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328 Athena Cykes (5-3) - 1260 Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236 Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211 Apollo Justice (6-2) - 1170 Miles Edgeworth (E2-4) - 1133 Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117 Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 1059 Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 936 Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-2) - 935 Phoenix Wright (5-5) - 931 Phoenix Wright (4-4) - 914 Miles Edgeworth (E2-3) - 870 Miles Edgeworth (E2-1) - 830 Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812 Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-1) - 660 Athena Cykes (6-4) - 646 Phoenix Wright (5-4) - 588 Phoenix Wright (6-1) - 514 Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 466 Apollo Justice (4-1) - 440 Mia Fey (3-4) - 436 Mia Fey (3-1) - 396 Phoenix Wright (5-1) - 337 Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329 Phoenix Wright (4-0) - 236 Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135 Highest percentage of lines per case: Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 46.92% Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80% Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25% Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 44.85% Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92% Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 43.91% Phoenix Wright (6-6) - 43.59% Phoenix Wright (6-3) - 43.50% Miles Edgeworth (E2-1) - 43.16% Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 42.14% Apollo Justice (5-2) - 40.77% Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75% Miles Edgeworth (E2-2) - 40.57% Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-2) - 39.75% Miles Edgeworth (E2-4) - 39.50% Athena Cykes (5-3) - 39.35% Apollo Justice (6-2) - 39.17% Athena Cykes (6-4) - 39.15% Miles Edgeworth (E2-5) - 38.81% Apollo Justice (4-2) - 38.61% Phoenix Wright (6-1) - 37.74% Phoenix Wright (5-6) - 37.31% Apollo Justice (4-3) - 37.23% Apollo Justice (6-5) - 36.92% Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90% Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60% Phoenix Wright (5-5) - 36.51% Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 36.33% Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59% Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94% Phoenix Wright (4-0) - 34.76% Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70% Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 34.52% Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36% Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93% Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-1) - 33.25% Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 31.82% Apollo Justice (4-1) - 30.96% Phoenix Wright (5-1) - 30.58% Phoenix Wright (5-4) - 29.14% Phoenix Wright (3-5) - ... 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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 1:32:44 AM #67: |
Total lines by character:
1. Phoenix Wright - 24094 2. Miles Edgeworth - 15372 3. Apollo Justice - 10237 4. The Judge - 6966 5. Maya Fey - 5237 6. Athena Cykes - 4816 7. Dick Gumshoe - 4089 8. Kay Faraday - 3370 9. Trucy Wright - 2629 10. Ema Skye - 2434 11. Franziska von Karma - 2314 12. Ryunosuke Naruhodo - 1595 13. Mia Fey - 1418 14. Pearl Fey - 1281 15. Simon Blackquill - 1280 16. Larry Butz - 1205 17. Klavier Gavin - 1154 18. Shi-Long Lang - 1101 19. Justine Courtney - 1016 20. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 988 21. Raymond Shields - 971 22. Godot - 902 23. Nahyuta Sahdmadhi - 892 24. Khura'in Judge - 754 25. Bobby Fulbright - 700 26. Gregory Edgeworth - 649 27. Lotta Hart - 648 28. Tyrell Badd - 593 29. Susato Mikotoba - 580 30. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578 31. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 562 32. Wendy Oldbag - 553 33. Sebastian Debeste - 521 34. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489 35. Adrian Andrews - 459 36. Winston Payne - 453 37. Manfred von Karma - 444 38. Kazuma Asogi - 430 39. The Judge's Brother - 421 40. Shelly de Killer - 387 41. Lamiroir/Thalassa Gramarye - 386 42. Datz Are'bal - 381 43. Will Powers - 380 44. Simon Keyes - 380 45. Sherlock Holmes - 374 46. Bikini - 351 47. Gaspen Payne - 335 48. Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in - 329 49. Maggey Byrde - 323 50. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320 51. Kristoph Gavin - 319 52. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 319 53. Quercus Alba - 303 54. Valant Gramarye - 298 55. Satoru Hosonaga - 297 56. Luke Atmey - 292 57. Damon Gant - 285 58. Juniper Woods - 277 59. Ini Miney - 275 60. Angel Starr - 272 61. Ron DeLite - 271 62. Rhoda Teneiro - 268 63. Katherine Hall - 267 64. Blaise Debeste - 265 65. Regina Berry - 261 66. Jake Marshall - 257 67. Taketsuchi Auchi - 256 68. Jean Armstrong - 251 69. Nicole Swift - 250 70. Lana Skye - 249 71. Victor Kudo - 247 72. Mike Meekins - 235 73. Marvin Grossberg - 234 74. Jacques Portsman - 231 75. Spark Brushel - 230 76. Frank Sahwit - 219 77. Alita Tiala - 219 78. Hugh O'Conner - 218 79. Marlon Rimes - 217 80. Patricia Roland - 217 81. Daryan Crescend - 216 82. Dane Gustavia - 209 83. Horace Knightley - 209 84. Florent L'Belle - 208 85. The Japanese Judge - 208 86. Maximillion Galactica - 203 87. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200 88. Pierce Nichody - 200 89. Yuri Cosmos - 199 90. Sasha Buckler - 198 91. Penny Nichols - 194 92. Phineas Filch - 192 93. Jinxie Tenma - 191 94. Paul Atishon-Wimperson - 187 95. Uendo Toneido (Combined) - 186 96. Armie Buff/Sarge - 182 97. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182 98. Roger Retinz/Mr. Reus - 182 99. Iris - 181 100. Herman Crab - 180 101. Damian Tenma - 179 102. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178 103. Furio Tigre - 176 104. Zak Gramarye - 174 105. Matt Engarde - 171 106. Nikolina Pavlova - 170 107. Sirhan Dogen - 170 108. Cammy Meele - 168 109. Morgan Fey - 165 110. Redd White - 162 111. Betty de Famme - 158 112. Aristotle Means - 154 113. Solomon Starbuck - 154 114. John Marsh - 153 115. Robin Newman - 153 116. Delicia Scones - 151 117. Colias Palaeno - 150 118. Dee Vasquez - 148 119. Zinc Lablanc - 146 120. Ellen Wyatt - 143 121. Desiree DeLite - 142 122. Ted Tonate - 141 123. Trilo Quist - 140 124. Wesley Stickler - 138 125. Cody Hackins - 135 126. Norma DePlume - 134 127. Olga Orly - 131 128. Lauren Paups - 130 129. Tahrust Inmee - 130 130. Karin Jenson - 129 131. Jezaille Brett - 127 132. Sorin Sprocket - 127 133. Amara Sigatar Khura'in - 123 134. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 123 135. Aura Blackquill - 122 136. Guy Eldoon - 118 137. Bonny de Famme - 113 138. Wocky Kitaki - 112 139. Di-Jun Huang - 110 140. Bif Strogenov - 109 141. Geiru Toneido - 108 142. The Phantom - 107 143. Richard Wellington - 107 144. April May - 104 145. Uendo Toneido - 104 146. Vera Misham - 104 147. Jay Elbird - 102 148. Yanni Yogi - 98 149. Beh'leeb Inmee - 92 150. Lance Amano - 92 151. Jeff Master - 90 152. Viola Cadaverini - 80 153. Director Hotti/Doctor Hickfield - 76 154. Plum Kitaki - 76 155. Terry Fawles - 74 156. Drew Misham - 74 157. Iyesa Nosa - 72 158. The Bellboy - 72 159. Ernest Amano - 68 160. Ponco - 66 161. Benjamin Woodman - 60 162. Sal Manella - 59 163. Chief of Detectives - 55 164. Bonnie Young - 53 165. Patches - 50 166. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 46 167. Kisegawa - 46 168. Lisa Basil - 46 169. Kyurio Korekuta - 44 170. Clonco - 43 171. Widget - 42 172. Machi Tobaye - 41 173. Orla Shipley - 40 174. Bucky Whet - 39 175. Turner Grey - 39 176. Yujin Mikotoba - 39 177. Elise Deauxnim - 30 178. Owen - 26 179. The Amazing Mr. Hat - 22 180. Shah'do - 21 181. Missile - 20 182. Polly - 20 183. Winfred "Big Wins" Kitaki - 20 184. Romein LeTouse - 13 185. Taka - 10 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 08/07/21 1:33:19 AM #68: |
When I first saw Kazuma, I was like "oh my god, how dead can you be?" I've never been surer a character would die early than him, but I expected it to be some kind of conspiracy instead of a random event. No trial threw me for a loop; I kept expecting the ship to dock somewhere for an emergency trial with a new judge, but it never happened.
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 1:37:32 AM #69: |
Being the tutorial case assistant doesn't turn out well for multiple characters...!
The complete lack of a trial or any sort of cross-examination probably makes G1-2 the most unorthodox case in the series because at least the Edgeworth games maintain the cross-examination aspect, even if it's not done in exactly the same way. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 08/07/21 3:42:15 AM #70: |
And just like that, Susato is already over Dahlia, Dhurke, and Oldbag
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Mewtwo59 08/07/21 4:06:59 AM #71: |
Yeah, I think you really underestimated Sholmes. He's going to crush Godot's line count.
LeonhartFour posted... Being the tutorial case assistant doesn't turn out well for multiple characters...! Somehow Maggey has had the best luck of all of them. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_SecretSquirrel 08/07/21 4:36:35 AM #72: |
Anagram posted...
When I first saw Kazuma, I was like "oh my god, how dead can you be?" I've never been surer a character would die early than him, but I expected it to be some kind of conspiracy instead of a random event. No trial threw me for a loop; I kept expecting the ship to dock somewhere for an emergency trial with a new judge, but it never happened.Yeah, he was totally another Mia Fey waiting to happen, especially when in the epliogue of G1-1, he starts spouting so many death flags I was wondering if they might try a swerve, especially as Jezaille Brett was doing her best 3-1 Dahlia impression to ensure I knew certain characters were playing certain homage roles. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 08/07/21 7:47:25 AM #73: |
Mewtwo59 posted...
Yeah, I think you really underestimated Sholmes. He's going to crush Godot's line count. This is going to be his biggest case in terms of total lines, I think. But yeah, he probably is. I keep forgetting these characters have two games to pile up lines, not just one! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSBM_Guy 08/07/21 9:51:49 AM #74: |
G1-2 is longer than G1-1? Huh.
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Leonhart4 08/07/21 9:59:33 AM #75: |
SSBM_Guy posted...
G1-2 is longer than G1-1? Huh. Yeah, I was surprised! You talk to Hosonaga in Kazuma's cabin, you talk to Holmes in the hallway, you investigate Pavlova's cabin, and that's it! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 8:46:36 PM #76: |
I'm looking through the bonus content for the first time and the music section includes unused tracks, which is really cool.
The unused court theme is a remix of the original PW1 court theme and it sounds pretty good, actually! I also like all the commentary throughout from the people who worked on the game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 9:34:24 PM #77: |
They changed the Chief Justice's name in the localization to Mael Stronghart, but it was Hart Vortex in the original. I actually liked the name "Vortex" because it sounds cool, but Mael is close enough, I suppose!
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Leonhart4 08/07/21 10:36:46 PM #78: |
Part of me thought about making the first part of G1-3 an investigation day, but you don't really investigate anything, so if anything, it's just a prolonged prologue for the trial.
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Mewtwo59 08/07/21 10:48:24 PM #79: |
If you did, G1-2's middle wouldn't be the shortest segment in the series for very long.
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Leonhart4 08/07/21 11:01:12 PM #80: |
Mewtwo59 posted...
If you did, G1-2's middle wouldn't be the shortest segment in the series for very long. This is true! I clocked it at 211 lines until we reached the Old Bailey. But now we've got another conundrum with these nameless jurors. I know you learn some of their names, but not all of them. I'll have to make a way to distinguish between them in the line counts. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSBM_Guy 08/07/21 11:02:11 PM #81: |
honestly you can probably just describe them by their gimmick
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 11:04:13 PM #82: |
SSBM_Guy posted...
honestly you can probably just describe them by their gimmick Yeah, I guess this works. I guess I can put the case in parentheses, too. I'll just have to remember which ones show up more than once! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 11:06:27 PM #83: |
also when I get around to doing Layton/AA line counts, I'll have to make a distinction between the judges because I can't call them both the British Judge
I guess I can call GAA's the British Judge and Layton/AA's the English Judge since it's the English Turnabout or I could call him Judge of the Old Bailey, since that's how they describe him in the artwork section of the bonus content --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/07/21 11:30:18 PM #84: |
Beppo is a character in the Sherlock Holmes story, "The Adventure of the Six Napoleons." He's actually the culprit in that story, rather than an old carriage driver like he is here.
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Mewtwo59 08/08/21 12:22:47 AM #85: |
Leonhart4 posted...
This is true! I clocked it at 211 lines until we reached the Old Bailey. I'm surprised it was that many. As for the jury, I'd probably go Juror No. X (GX-X), unless they're someone who shows up at some other point and you learn their name (or they say it, but I don't think any of the unnamed ones do). --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 08/08/21 8:38:12 AM #86: |
Yeah, but I feel like at least one of these jurors shows up in multiple cases, so I want to try to distinguish between them somehow so I can recognize it if they do. I feel like the maid and the typewriter juror both show up again, if I'm not mistaken.
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 1:56:26 PM #87: |
So we've got these two witnesses, Bruce Fairplay and Lay D. Furst. The latter is Adam Ladyfirst in Japanese, so it makes me a little sad that they changed it because it means my real name isn't represented in the English version of the game now!
But at the same time, Ladyfirst is a dumb last name that just doesn't exist in English, so I get why they changed it. Also, fun fact: In dowolf's fan translation LP of Ace Attorney Investigations 2, the surname he gave to the Debestes was Furst, if I'm remembering right. I do like a lot of the names dowolf chose there, but Debeste really is, well, the best name choice in that game. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 2:23:01 PM #88: |
I like that Naruhodo immediately assumes the M on the dagger sheath will turn out to really be a W in order to exonerate McGilded.
Another thing that's going to drive up line counts in this game is the ability to examine evidence. You get a lot of extra mileage from that. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 2:29:44 PM #89: |
Oh nice, Juror 5 makes a reference to Silver Blaze, which is a missing horse Holmes is tasked with finding in the aptly name "The Adventure of Silver Blaze."
I also like how his mustache looks like a horseshoe considering he says he's the master of the guild of coachmen in London. man van Zieks' theme is good --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 3:55:43 PM #90: |
The concept of a Summation Examination feels a little crazy, but the music might be my favorite in the game and it has that classic Ace Attorney cornered/turnabout feel to it.
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 5:52:47 PM #91: |
Hit the first save point in G1-3. I feel like this would normally be the point where court would adjourn for the day, and we'd get an investigation day before we resume, but that's not the case here. I like McGilded as a defendant because there are things that are clearly fishy about him, but you're still predisposed to believe your client is innocent.
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LeonhartFour 08/08/21 11:07:17 PM #92: |
One of Phoenix Wright's traits is that what he's feeling is always plain as day on his face, and I'm glad they somehow ratcheted that up to 11 with Naruhodo's animations. The shifty eyes animation always gets me.
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 12:26:47 AM #93: |
Furst's angry animation where he mimics riding a horse might be the single most ludicrous animation in the entire series and that's saying something
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 1:53:26 AM #94: |
all right I kinda get the idea that someone could've planted blood inside the carriage during the chaos of Gina's smoke grenade (although I don't know where the blood could've come from or how they preserved it for use), but I don't know how you remove the stuff from underneath the seat because you have to put it somewhere and it's not exactly easy to transport for one person unless there are other unknown conspirators here
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Leonhart4 08/09/21 11:04:37 AM #95: |
Thinking back on it, it's so extremely rare for the prosecution in Ace Attorney to get completely shut down like that. Fittingly, the only other time I can distinctly recall it happening is in 2-4 after de Killer names Adrian as the client. That might be a tell in this series that your client is guilty!
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 5:31:35 PM #96: |
I gotta say, it feels kind of...convenient that the judge basically says that since the evidence by the prosecution wasn't compelling enough, there's no need for the jury to weigh in. Like, what's the point of having the jury if the judge can just override them? I get they're supposed to work in tandem, but at least let them have some input.
I guess it'd be a tough sell to say they'd all vote Not Guilty in this situation, but in that case, just have it be a 3-3 split and let the judge have the tiebreaker or something. It feels so strange that at the end of G1-2, Ryunosuke says that Kazuma's death was such a waste, and at the end of G1-3, the foreman of the jury says this has all been a grand waste of time. If that's the feeling Takumi wants the player to experience, he's doing a good job, but it's a strange decision! He's really playing the long game here! That being said, I like how when the judge declares the verdict of Not Guilty, there's ticker tape, but there's no cheering but rather the gallery in commotion like when something unexpected happens. That was a nice touch. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_SecretSquirrel 08/09/21 5:32:48 PM #97: |
Leonhart4 posted...
Thinking back on it, it's so extremely rare for the prosecution in Ace Attorney to get completely shut down like that. Fittingly, the only other time I can distinctly recall it happening is in 2-4 after de Killer names Adrian as the client. That might be a tell in this series that your client is guilty!I mean, the court system is so biased towards the prosecution in this series that the only way it could really happen is in the event of tampering, like De Killer lying about his client or the true culprit having false evidence planted in the omnibus carriage. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 5:34:09 PM #98: |
_SecretSquirrel posted...
I mean, the court system is so biased towards the prosecution in this series that the only way it could really happen is in the event of tampering, like De Killer lying about his client or the true culprit having false evidence planted in the omnibus carriage. Yeah, this is probably true. I feel like something like that happened in the sham of a trial in E2-5 as well, where the prosecution's evidence was stolen. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 6:01:04 PM #99: |
All right, G1-3 officially complete! I remember transience asking in his topic what McGilded was actually planning to do if Ryunosuke had never shown up.
My impression is that he had Gina in his pocket the whole time, and he would have brought her up with him from the start like he was asking Ryunosuke to do before he realized he was sent to be his defense. Also, based on his comment in the epilogue about how he pays a lot of the salaries in Scotland Yard with his "taxes," he probably does have some of those guys in his back pocket, too (which would explain my earlier objection about how you remove the baggage from under the seat, if so). He believed he could buy his way out of it, and based on this outcome, he was probably right. Speaking of Gina, she's an interesting decision by Takumi. Lestrade is one of the prominent Scotland Yard inspectors in the Sherlock Holmes stories (probably the most well known overall, which makes it another interesting choice that they went with Gregson as the primary rival inspector in GAA), and his first name was never known. He was only ever listed as G. Lestrade, so I guess Takumi took the opportunity to create Gina Lestrade since there isn't a canon first name for the character. I do really enjoy this case overall, but it really requires taking the game in totality to appreciate what they did here. Which is also kind of the problem with the game. None of these cases really feel standalone. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 6:56:53 PM #100: |
let's finish out this page so we can get the stats at the top of the next one
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LeonhartFour 08/09/21 6:59:45 PM #101: |
Total lines by segment:
E1-5 Middle - 2476 E2-5 Beginning - 2350 6-5 Trial Day 2 - 2343 E2-2 End - 2154 G1-3 - 1998 G1-1 - 1985 6-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1907 3-5 Trial Day 2 - 1888 5-5 Trial Day 1 - 1693 6-4 - 1650 E1-5 End - 1626 2-4 Trial Day 2 - 1613 E2-3 End - 1603 2-4 Investigation Day 1 - 1595 3-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1575 E2-5 Middle - 1575 6-2 Trial Day 1 - 1540 4-3 Trial Day 2 - 1499 6-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1447 2-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1432 4-1 - 1421 E2-3 Middle - 1393 3-5 Investigation Day 1 - 1382 6-1 - 1362 3-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1358 6-5 Investigation Day 1 - 1340 1-5 Trial Day 3 - 1338 2-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1331 2-4 Trial Day 1 - 1306 E2-2 Middle - 1248 3-4 - 1225 3-3 Investigation Day 2 - 1221 6-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1205 G1-2 Beginning - 1189 4-4 Investigation Day 2 - 1169 3-1 - 1167 4-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1154 5-2 Investigation Day 1 - 1149 6-5 Trial Day 1 - 1132 E2-4 End - 1129 3-2 Investigation Day 2 - 1127 4-3 Investigation Day 2 - 1127 3-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1093 5-6 Trial Day 2 - 1088 6-6 Investigation Day 1 - 1054 3-3 Trial Day 2 - 1041 4-3 Investigation Day 1 - 1034 E1-4 Middle - 1030 6-3 Trial Day 2 - 1020 E2-1 Beginning - 1009 1-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1004 E1-4 End - 979 3-5 Trial Day 1 - 970 3-2 Trial Day 2 - 966 E2-3 Beginning - 963 E1-3 End - 953 1-5 Trial Day 1 - 938 1-5 Investigation Day 3 - 932 E1-4 Beginning - 926 2-2 Investigation Day 1 - 924 5-6 Investigation Day 1 - 921 6-3 Investigation Day 2 - 921 E2-1 End - 914 5-2 Trial Day 1 - 904 5-6 Investigation Day 2 - 903 2-3 Investigation Day 2 - 900 2-1 - 899 5-3 Trial Day 2 - 899 6-6 Trial Day 2 - 892 4-2 Investigation Day 2 - 891 5-2 Trial Day 2 - 875 G1-2 End - 875 1-5 Investigation Day 1 - 874 5-4 Investigation Day 1 - 872 E2-4 Beginning - 871 E2-4 Middle - 868 5-5 Investigation Day 1 - 857 4-4 Investigation Day 1 - 853 E2-5 End - 852 2-3 Trial Day 1 - 851 4-3 Trial Day 1 - 834 6-3 Trial Day 1 - 833 1-5 Trial Day 2 - 827 5-2 Investigation Day 2 - 822 2-2 Investigation Day 2 - 808 2-3 Trial Day 2 - 802 5-3 Investigation Day 2 - 789 E1-2 Beginning - 788 5-3 Investigation Day 1 - 785 2-2 Trial Day 2 - 764 4-4 Trial Day 1 - 748 E1-3 Beginning - 744 1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729 5-3 Trial Day 1 - 729 E1-5 Beginning - 729 4-2 Trial Day 1 - 724 E1-3 Middle - 715 3-3 Trial Day 1 - 708 5-6 Trial Day 1 - 704 1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700 3-2 Trial Day 1 - 700 4-2 Trial Day 2 - 699 4-0 - 679 E1-2 End - 670 1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661 5-1 Trial Day 2 - 630 1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626 2-2 Trial Day 1 - 623 5-4 Trial Day 2 - 617 6-6 Trial Day 1 - 542 E1-2 Middle - 537 E1-1 Beginning - 535 E2-2 Beginning - 534 5-4 Trial Day 1 - 529 1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524 1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519 1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517 E1-1 End - 504 4-4 Trial Day 2 - 503 1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478 5-1 Trial Day 1 - 472 1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455 1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447 1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414 1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403 1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402 1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400 1-1 - 389 1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380 1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325 G1-2 Middle - 288 Total lines by case: 6-5 - 6722 2-4 - 5946 1-5 - 5913 3-5 - 5815 E1-5 - 4831 E2-5 - 4777 4-3 - 4494 3-2 - 4151 3-3 - 4063 6-3 - 3979 E2-3 - 3959 4-4 - 3952 E2-2 - 3936 2-3 - 3884 5-2 - 3750 5-6 - 3616 4-2 - 3468 1-4 - 3466 5-3 - 3202 6-6 - 3134 2-2 - 3119 6-2 - 2987 E1-4 - 2935 E2-4 - 2868 1-3 - 2741 5-5 - 2550 E1-3 - 2412 G1-2 - 2352 5-4 - 2018 G1-3 - 1998 E1-2 - 1995 G1-1 - 1985 E2-1 - 1923 1-2 - 1773 6-4 - 1650 4-1 - 1421 6-1 - 1362 3-4 - 1225 3-1 - 1167 5-1 - 1102 E1-1 - 1039 2-1 - 899 4-0 - 679 1-1 - 389 Totals lines by game: SoJ - 19834 (15.91%) AAI2 - 17463 (14.01%) T&T - 16422 (13.18%) DD - 16238 (13.03%) PW1 - 14282 (11.46%) JFA - 13848 (11.11%) AJ - 13335 (10.70%) AAI1 - 13212 (10.60%) GAA1 - 6335 The Adventure of the Runaway Room (G1-3) 1. Ryunosuke Naruhodo - 680 (34.03%) 2. Susato Mikotoba - 238 (11.91%) 3. Judge of the Old Bailey - 212 (10.61%) 4. Magnus McGilded - 168 (8.41%) 5. Barok van Zieks - 164 (8.21%) 6. Bruce Fairplay - 105 7. Lay D. Furst - 70 8. Gina Lestrade - 60 9. Mael Stronghart - 58 10. Juror No. 1 (Top Hat and Rose) - 36 11. Beppo - 35 12. Other - 33 13. Juror No. 3 (Knife Wielder) - 30 14. Juror No. 5 (Guildmaster Coachman) - 29 15. Juror No. 6 (Knitting Grandma) - 27 16. Juror No. 2 (OCD Maid) - 26 17. Juror No. 4 (Typewriter Lady) - 12 18. Iris Wilson - 12 19. Tobias Gregson - 2 20. John H. Watson - 1 Total lines by character per game: Great Ace Attorney 1 Ryunosuke Naruhodo - 2275 Susato Mikotoba - 818 Kazuma Asogi - 430 Sherlock Holmes - 374 Satoru Hosonaga - 297 Taketsuchi Auchi - 256 Judge of the Old Bailey - 212 The Japanese Judge - 208 Nikolina Pavlova - 170 Magnus McGilded - 168 Barok van Zieks - 164 Satoru Hosonaga - 146 Jezaille Brett - 127 Bif Strogenov - 109 Bruce Fairplay - 105 Iyesa Nosa - 72 Lay D. Furst - 70 Other - 65 Gina Lestrade - 60 Mael Stronghart - 58 Kyurio Korekuta - 44 Yujin Mikotoba - 39 Top Hat and Rose Juror - 36 Beppo - 35 Knife Wielding Juror - 30 Guildmaster Coachman Juror - 29 Knitting Grandma Juror - 27 OCD Maid Juror - 26 Iris Wilson - 12 Typist Juror - 12 Darka - 3 Tobias Gregson - 2 John H. Watson - 2 Most lines per case: Apollo Justice (6-5) - 2482 Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194 Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 2036 Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032 Miles Edgeworth (E2-5) - 1854 Phoenix Wright (6-3) - 1731 Apollo Justice (4-3) - 1673 Miles Edgeworth (E2-2) - 1597 Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 1570 Apollo Justice (5-2) - 1529 Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 1476 Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433 Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370 Phoenix Wright (6-6) - 1366 Phoenix Wright (5-6) - 1349 Apollo Justice (4-2) - 1339 Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328 Athena Cykes (5-3) - 1260 Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236 Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211 Apollo Justice (6-2) - 1170 Miles Edgeworth (E2-4) - 1133 Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117 Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 1059 Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 936 Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-2) - 935 Phoenix Wright (5-5) - 931 Phoenix Wright (4-4) - 914 Miles Edgeworth (E2-3) - 870 Miles Edgeworth (E2-1) - 830 Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812 Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-3) - 680 Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-1) - 660 Athena Cykes (6-4) - 646 Phoenix Wright (5-4) - 588 Phoenix Wright (6-1) - 514 Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 466 Apollo Justice (4-1) - 440 Mia Fey (3-4) - 436 Mia Fey (3-1) - 396 Phoenix Wright (5-1) - 337 Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329 Phoenix Wright (4-0) - 236 Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135 Highest percentage of lines per case: Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 46.92% Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80% Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25% Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 44.85% Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92% Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 43.91% Phoenix Wright (6-6) - 43.59% Phoenix Wright (6-3) - 43.50% Miles Edgeworth (E2-1) - 43.16% Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 42.14% Apollo Justice (5-2) - 40.77% Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75% Miles Edgeworth (E2-2) - 40.57% Ryunosuke Naruhodo (G1-2) - 39.75% Miles Edgeworth (E2-4) - 39.50% Athena Cykes (5-3) - 39.35% Apollo Justice (6-2) - 39.17% Athena Cykes (6-4) - 39.15% Miles Edgeworth (E2-5) - 38.81% Apollo Justice (4-2) - 38.61% Phoenix Wright (6-1) - 37.74% Phoenix Wright (5-6) - 37.31% Apollo Justice (4-3) - 37.23% Apollo Justice (6-5) - 36.92% Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90% Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60% Phoenix Wright (5-5) - 36.51% Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 36.33 ... 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