Poll of the Day > "Tuna" was my favorite sub from Subway, too... O_O

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https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/subways-tuna-sandwich-has-no-tuna-tests-of-samples-from-l-a-area-locations-find/

Tests recently done by a commercial lab have proved that no identifiable tuna DNA was found in Subways sandwiches, the New York Times reported.
The newspaper had 60 inches of tuna sandwiches from three different Subway locations in Los Angeles tested.
The tuna was removed, frozen and sent to an unidentified commercial food testing lab as the chain faces a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California earlier this year alleging the ingredient it calls tuna actually contains no tuna at all.
No amplifiable tuna DNA was present in the sample and so we obtained no amplification products from the DNA. Therefore, we cannot identify the species, the test results read.
One, its so heavily processed that whatever we could pull out, we couldnt make an identification, a lab spokesperson said. Or we got some and theres just nothing there thats tuna.
Subway wrote an email to the newspaper denying the allegations:
There simply is no truth to the allegations in the complaint that was filed in California, a Subway spokeswoman wrote in the email. Subway delivers 100 percent cooked tuna to its restaurants.
Subway, which has nearly 40,000 locations worldwide, about half of which are in the United States, has said its tuna sandwiches are some of its best-selling items.

Ewww....

DNA? do we expect to find DNA in shredded and cooked meat fibres? we're not eating DNA we're eating proteins (amino-acid chains). if they told me there were no amino-acids found in it, then I'd be worried.

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Bet HQ got on the horn to tuna providers right after that lawsuit was filed

Weren't they also sued for claiming their bread was freshly baked?

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Why would you be able to read DNA from a cooked animal?

send them a can of tuna.

they won't find tuna dna in it either, because it's cooked and cooking destroys dna.

the fact that this "lab" doesn't know that basic shit is alarming

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I despise subway but this might be a bs story. It was just two random people that filed the lawsuit after vaguely referring to an independent test they did

Doesnt DNA disappear if you cook meat longer enough? Or make it hard to figure out what they are?

Anyway, my favorite is a spicy Italian, double meat, add double bacon, all the cheeses, toasted, salt, pepper, oregano, & oil

JixHedgehog posted...

Weren't they also sued for claiming their bread was freshly baked?

Probably not. Since the bread is freshly baked. They have to bake the bread new everyday. It is frozen stuff before its cooked though, if thats what you mean. The only thing I remember about the bread was people saying it wasnt bread
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No amplifiable tuna DNA was present in the sample and so we obtained no amplification products from the DNA. Therefore, we cannot identify the species, the test results read.

YEAH DAWG.
That's what the result is, I have a feeling that they're just pulling off the bit of the test saying "this is normal"

Shouldn't they also be sueing the tuna supplier though? Not the people using it? If that's really their problem.

Ireland is who got upset at them because subways bread had more sugar in it than what they classify bread should have

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Joe_Biden posted...

Ireland is who got upset at them because subways bread had more sugar in it than what they classify bread should have

Yeah. This was what I kept seeing on Google
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https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/meat-id-test

You can still DNA test cooked meat according to a UCDavis FAQ. Sure itll denature at a pointbut I think you guys are jumping the gun here. Of course, the test I linked isnt for fish.

LinkPizza posted...

Probably not. Since the bread is freshly baked. They have to bake the bread new everyday. It is frozen stuff before its cooked though, if thats what you mean. The only thing I remember about the bread was people saying it wasnt bread

Yeah, it was either that they were using frozen bread therefore it's not actually baked fresh or that someone said their bread wasn't bread

That was like 15 years ago I think


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blu posted...

https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/meat-id-test

You can still DNA test cooked meat according to a UCDavis FAQ. Sure itll denature at a pointbut I think you guys are jumping the gun here. Of course, the test I linked isnt for fish.

reading about it, apparently you can extract DNA from cooked meat, but it takes special techniques and there are papers on particular ways that you can go about it. the link you provided says that they can only distinguish between 12 specific different mammals.

so if they can't identify tuna, I would highly expect their test is insufficient and/or the amount of DNA is insufficient. not that the tuna is some unidentifiable substance that is something other than meat.

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also, they could just test the uncooked tuna product... cuz they can't claim it's "always fresh" if it was precooked 1000 miles away

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Lokarin posted...

also, they could just test the uncooked tuna product... cuz they can't claim it's "always fresh" if it was precooked 1000 miles away

According to the article, Subway says that 100% cooked tuna is delivered. So, they would have to find where it's delivered from to test the uncooked product...
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LinkPizza posted...

According to the article, Subway says that 100% cooked tuna is delivered. So, they would have to find where it's delivered from to test the uncooked product...

umm... nothing cooked is fresh, they're lying

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Lokarin posted...

umm... nothing cooked is fresh, they're lying

When did I say anything about it being cooked fresh. All I said was, "According to the article, Subway says that 100% cooked tuna is delivered. So, they would have to find where it's delivered from to test the uncooked product..."
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streamofthesky posted...

Tests recently done by a commercial lab

This is the part that interests me more. If it was done by "a commercial lab", I'd be very interested to know what lab it is.

Because that lab could be entirely staffed with fuckwits who couldn't find their own asses with both hands and a map, let along DNA. Or they could be corrupt as fuck. Or they could even be legitimate, but operating under poor methodology that leads to flawed results.

In the actual NYT article, the writer says "I began searching for a commercial lab that could test a sample of Subways product. A handful of them politely declined my inquiries, citing technical limitations and company policies that made my tuna ineligible for analysis. Eventually, I found myself on the phone with a spokesman for a lab that specializes in fish testing. He agreed to test the tuna but asked that the lab not be named in this article."

Which I kind-of reflexively translate as "I had to keep calling around until I could find a lab disreputable enough to ignore ethics and actual methodology to push for the result I wanted, and the one I talked to didn't want to be identified because they don't want to get called on their BS."

As painful as it is to make this pun, I have to say this entire story sounds really... fishy.
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it just sounds like these people wanted to try and get free money from some sort of settlement

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LinkPizza posted...

When did I say anything about it being cooked fresh. All I said was, "According to the article, Subway says that 100% cooked tuna is delivered. So, they would have to find where it's delivered from to test the uncooked product..."

oh, you didn't say fresh - their slogan is Eat Fresh

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Lokarin posted...

oh, you didn't say fresh - their slogan is Eat Fresh

If you're going that far then nothing is truly fresh if you buy it premade.
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if you didn't grow that carrot and then picked it yourself then it's not fresh

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I was in shelton Washington today trying to find food.

I went to many places, including subway.

By the end I gave up and drove to Mc Donalds figuring I could get food there. The line was insane, like, 20+ cars OUTSIDE of the long drive through line, but 20+ in each of two directions that fed into it lolz.

I was like....Nope, and backed up and drove away.

I went to Subway after that on the way back to the freeway.

I was like, screw it, I'll just get a meatball sub (I have ham/pepporoni/swiss at home for sandwiches but I wanted something hot).

First, they are 8$ base now lol.

Second, Shelton I guess doesn't have many places to eat.

I entered the subway and there was a line that looked like a freaking airport security line. It went all the way around the room 3 times. I would guestimate 30 people or so all together.

Two people only behind the counter.

I was like....NOPE....and left. I tried a last few places on the way out but A: They were stupid expensive (there was a burger join..you know the kind, on the side of the road that sells burgers/fries etc.....normally like 3-5$ for a burger (and thats only recently that much), and like $2-3 for fried.

That's the norm for drive up burger joints (Even in todays insane prices).

This place freaking charged $12 for JUST A BURGER. Not a double burger, not a bacon cheeseurger, just a normal freaking burger. $12 freaking dollars. I could buy 4 freaking POUNDS of hamburger meat for that. I could make like freaking 15 of their burgers for that price at home. I didn't even check how much the fries were. I just gave up and drove home and made a (probably less then $1 in cost) ham/pepporoni and swiss sammich with brown mustard on it.

Fuck eating out. The prices are just insane now. It's not that bad in olympia, but shelton is freaking insane.

Seriously I went to 2 chineese food places first, tried 3 other places before giving up and heading to MC d's, then did subway and that drive up burger place.

The world is getting insane.

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Subway is trash. And now that I know about their bread and tuna..... I may never eat there again

It sounds like it's got to be fake (and who would just examine that?), but Snopes has it listed as unproven atm =x

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/subway-tuna-actual-fish/

They also point out the possibility that it could be limited to certain locations rather than a thing across the chain.

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I thought the bread scandal w/ Subway was that they were using some chemical found in yoga mats, which they got rid of after it was brought to light...

And yeah, not sure if this study is legit given the full NYT article, makes the whole "scientific process" sound sketchy.
If it is fake tuna, they did a damn good job mimicking the taste and texture. Tuna's pretty fucking cheap and easy to come by compared to other meats they offer, so I don't know why they'd bother to use something else anyway. But then again I've been surprised by the penny wise pound foolish nature of giant corporations before, too (like that GM scandal that got like a dozen people killed b/c they skimped on putting a $1 part in their cars or something).

Sahuagin posted...

reading about it, apparently you can extract DNA from cooked meat, but it takes special techniques and there are papers on particular ways that you can go about it. the link you provided says that they can only distinguish between 12 specific different mammals.

so if they can't identify tuna, I would highly expect their test is insufficient and/or the amount of DNA is insufficient. not that the tuna is some unidentifiable substance that is something other than meat.

I don't think it was ever in question that it wasn't some sort of meat. Just possibly some cheaper fish than tuna, and possibly filled w/ cheap additives like taco bell meat is.
There have been a bunch of stories about (formal / sit down) restaurants' fish being tested and like half of them being some cheaper fish than what's on the menu....

Zikten posted...

Subway is trash. And now that I know about their bread and tuna..... I may never eat there again

The tuna thing probably isnt even real, based on what many people are saying here. And the bread thing is that is has more sugar than what bread usually has, which is really too much of a problem I guess the Irish arent happy, but whatever. Unless youre talking about the frozen thing, which also isnt an issue. Many grocery stores has frozen bread or frozen bread products
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streamofthesky posted...

I thought the bread scandal w/ Subway was that they were using some chemical found in yoga mats, which they got rid of after it was brought to light...

Azodicarbonamide

I heard many other restaurant like McDonalds, Chick-fil-A, Wendys, White Castle, and Jack in the Box also use to use it
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ya, it's used in a lot of things - it's harmless... don't listen to quacks like Food Babe

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Here's what Google says about Azodicarbonamide: In the United States, azodicarbonamide has a generally recognized as safe (GRAS) status and is allowed to be added to flour at levels up to 45 ppm. However, use in products intended for human consumption is in decline under pressure of the public opinion.

It sounds like it was fine until the humans in public learned about it...
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Ok, to clarify: I never personally gave a shit about that chemical. They took it out of the bread once I heard about it, so going forward it wouldn't have mattered anyway, and just b/c it's used in a non-food product doesn't mean it's harmful in food.

I just saw people talking about a Subway bread scandal and thought THAT was the big one they had. Not some feud w/ the Irish over sugar levels. American bread is loaded w/ sugar in general, that's not shocking at all.

streamofthesky posted...

I just saw people talking about a Subway bread scandal and thought THAT was the big one they had. Not some feud w/ the Irish over sugar levels. American bread is loaded w/ sugar in general, that's not shocking at all.

I found the thing funny tbh.

Maybe I'm the dumb one here, but if the test was reliable enough to know it wasn't tuna, why isn't reliable enough to figure out what it really is?

BlackScythe0 posted...

Maybe I'm the dumb one here, but if the test was reliable enough to know it wasn't tuna, why isn't reliable enough to figure out what it really is?

That's not what they determined.
They said there wasn't enough DNA for their test to confidently say there was a result.

It's like if someone asked you if your kid was a boy, and you said you don't have a kid. You didn't answer the question directly in front of you, and someone shitty then said you had a girl because you didn't said that you didn't have a boy.

streamofthesky posted...

just b/c it's used in a non-food product doesn't mean it's harmful in food.

This is very true!
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LinkPizza posted...

This is very true!

I have a friend who's convinced that sawdust in every bread so it doesn't make bread rise up as much, and also lasts longer.
Rural russia baby.

Tuna sub from subway's is the best. Whatever they say about it, I'd just trust to instincts and get a fresh one .

shadowsword87 posted...

I have a friend who's convinced that sawdust in every bread so it doesn't make bread rise up as much, and also lasts longer.
Rural russia baby.

It's not sawdust... well, it technically is, it's manufactured cellulose... which happens to have a kinda sawdusty smell

They use it as a cost saving method in several brands of Parmesan cheese as well... if your Parmesan cheese has 'cellulose' as an ingredient, they're cutting corners.

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Lokarin posted...

It's not sawdust... well, it technically is, it's manufactured cellulose... which happens to have a kinda sawdusty smell
They use it as a cost saving method in several brands of Parmesan cheese as well... if your Parmesan cheese has 'cellulose' as an ingredient, they're cutting corners.

Nah, she put sawdust in her bread.

They're prolly Escolar.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5MmWCHFq0BA
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streamofthesky posted...

Ok, to clarify: I never personally gave a shit about that chemical. They took it out of the bread once I heard about it, so going forward it wouldn't have mattered anyway, and just b/c it's used in a non-food product doesn't mean it's harmful in food.

I just saw people talking about a Subway bread scandal and thought THAT was the big one they had. Not some feud w/ the Irish over sugar levels. American bread is loaded w/ sugar in general, that's not shocking at all.

yeah, it's dumb as hell.

water is in damn near everything, from food to crazy ass chemicals that will just dissolve you like wet toilet paper

should we throw a fit about that? this shit makes acid, I don't want it in my food

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streamofthesky posted...

Ok, to clarify: I never personally gave a shit about that chemical. They took it out of the bread once I heard about it, so going forward it wouldn't have mattered anyway, and just b/c it's used in a non-food product doesn't mean it's harmful in food.

Fun fact - if people are worried about unsafe chemicals in their food, they probably shouldn't be eating bread at all. Or anything made out of potatoes. Or coffee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide


Other Fun Fact: As Europeans love to point out more or less constantly, there's a chemical regularly found in American chocolate in the US that is also in human vomit. It's also in certain kinds of butter and cheese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid


Though on the subject of cheese, let's remember that cheese as a whole is basically made by adding bacteria to milk. Bacteria? In my food?! Who do I have to sue to put a stop to this? I use sanitizing hand soap and disinfecting spray and get antibiotics from my doctor for a reason, damn it!
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@BUMPED2002

Here you go

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Sarcasthma posted...

@BUMPED2002

Here you go

The whining in that fail topic, cripes.

My title is clearly about Subway and their tuna subs, it's not some indecipherable mess. I didn't just give out the full story in the title, oh well. I created intrigue instead. Got people to wonder, "wait... why is tuna in quotes?"

streamofthesky posted...

The whining in that fail topic, cripes.

My title is clearly about Subway and their tuna subs, it's not some indecipherable mess. I didn't just give out the full story in the title, oh well. I created intrigue instead. Got people to wonder, "wait... why is tuna in quotes?"

@Soup_or_Science

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Sarcasthma posted...

@Soup_or_Science

Goddamn lmao it's not that serious guy

Am I the whiner he's referring to? Jeez!

I get it now, "Tuna", yeah, that makes more sense, that's more relevancy to what is going on in the topic

I literally did not even sleep last night so forgive me that I was so intricate in my detail of how I am not a frequent Subway visitor and there were certain things that just would not have been paramount/noticeably relevant to me to click the topic

But if that's "whining", I mean, okay

I'm literally not even complaining - I just talk a lot - on a neutral ground - until such an emotional sway can be easily inferred (It might seem sarcastic, too - unless it actually is)

But this is all non-essential - How about we put this behind us and go have a "Tuna" sandwich, pal? I'm certainly open to trying one

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subway is nasty

like gas station food tier sandwiches

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

subway is nasty

like gas station food tier sandwiches

ooo, i love gas station subs.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

like gas station food tier sandwiches

Technically, some subways are in gas stations...
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Soup_or_Science posted...

Goddamn lmao it's not that serious guy

Am I the whiner he's referring to? Jeez!

I get it now, "Tuna", yeah, that makes more sense, that's more relevancy to what is going on in the topic

I literally did not even sleep last night so forgive me that I was so intricate in my detail of how I am not a frequent Subway visitor and there were certain things that just would not have been paramount/noticeably relevant to me to click the topic

But if that's "whining", I mean, okay

I'm literally not even complaining - I just talk a lot - on a neutral ground - until such an emotional sway can be easily inferred (It might seem sarcastic, too - unless it actually is)

It's fine, I was blowing it out of proportion.

But this is all non-essential - How about we put this behind us and go have a "Tuna" sandwich, pal? I'm certainly open to trying one

Sure thing. I hear they're 65% dolphin-free now!