Current Events > Playing Fire Emblem 3 Houses for the 1st time. Any tips? Part 2

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Compsognathus posted...

Gardening is a bit more complicated than you would anticipate. I recommend reading the Serenes article on it.

https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/monastery/greenhouse/

Long story short is that Predicted Yield is fixed and relates to quality if items. Cultivation determines quantity of items. So if you are tight on cash, maybe on spring for the Pegasus Blessings on the good yield weeks.

Gheb posted...

Oh I forgot to add, when it doubt just plant 5 Light Blue Flower seeds. Speed Carrots are never bad.

Wow. I never really tried to optimize my gardening. I just always planted random stuff and cultivated to the highest level


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DepreceV2 posted...

Wow. I never really tried to optimize my gardening. I just always planted random stuff and cultivated to the highest level

I mean that generally works too. And I'm not sure any difficulty is made or broken by Gardening Efficiency. But it is nice to have. For non-Maddening I typically prioritize Gardening as follows:

1) Get enough food to have consistent meals with my class to keep motivation topped off
2) Get flowers so I can just gift cheese supports for easier recruiting.
3) Farm Stat boosters

I do a lot less recruiting in Maddening so I reverse two and three for that difficulty. Also two stops really applying after time skip.

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Is Lorenz suppose to be so... meh? Its weird. Marianne isnt great for me right now but I feel that she is just getting RNG screwed. I guess she keeps praying to the wrong goddess lol. Lorenz is a different matter. I feel like he is getting his stats. However, he just seems too... balanced? I guess? He doesnt excel at anything. His speed feels like it will never be good enough to double anything. He wont one shot anything with combat arts. His defenses are nothing special either. I dont even know what to do with him. Being mediocre in strength and magic doesnt really mean much of anything

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He was definitely a weak link when I did GD, even at the end when I had him as a Dark Knight.
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Lorenz will never be anything but mediocre. Which is honestly the destiny of most mixed offense units, particularly in this game, due to the skill system.

There just isn't enough room to have the Faires, the Blows, and the weapon proficiency skills needed to he good at magic and physical damage.

My recommendation is drop Lorenz and grab a different cavalier (Sylvain or Ferdinand) to replace him. If your Bylass, Sylvain is the easiest recruit in the game. Alternatively, you can just grab someone like Catherine pretty early and start her down the path of Falcon Knight (Brigand for Death Blow, Peg Knight -> Wyvern Rider -> Falcon Knighy) to replace him as a mobile physical attacker.

Marianne is a deceptive unit. She is clearly set up as the house healer, and she can function in that role since ultimately she does have Physic, but her stats and spell list would really have her operate as a primarily offensive magic user. Raise of faith enough to get Physic, maybe Silence, and then put her on the path to Dark Knight (Monk-> Mage->Warlock->Dark Knight) is easy with her proficiencies. Grab Lindhart or Mercy to make up for your lack of healer because both have a much better faith list. If she really is getting hit by the RNG stick she makes a good dancer.

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Compsognathus posted...

Lorenz will never be anything but mediocre. Which is honestly the destiny of most mixed offense units, particularly in this game, due to the skill system.

There just isn't enough room to have the Faires, the Blows, and the weapon proficiency skills needed to he good at magic and physical damage.

My recommendation is drop Lorenz and grab a different cavalier (Sylvain or Ferdinand) to replace him. If your Bylass, Sylvain is the easiest recruit in the game. Alternatively, you can just grab someone like Catherine pretty early and start her down the path of Falcon Knight (Brigand for Death Blow, Peg Knight -> Wyvern Rider -> Falcon Knighy) to replace him as a mobile physical attacker.

Marianne is a deceptive unit. She is clearly set up as the house healer, and she can function in that role since ultimately she does have Physic, but her stats and spell list would really have her operate as a primarily offensive magic user. Raise of faith enough to get Physic, maybe Silence, and then put her on the path to Dark Knight (Monk-> Mage->Warlock->Dark Knight) is easy with her proficiencies. Grab Lindhart or Mercy to make up for your lack of healer because both have a much better faith list. If she really is getting hit by the RNG stick she makes a good dancer.

Im actively trying to recruit Mercedes in this play through. Marianne already has silence for me. I just realized that I havent raised her Reason at all. Its still early so I can work on that. I actually have been mainly working on her riding skills the entire time which explains why she has no reason. Also, Ill drop Lorenz but I dont feel like I need to get another Cavalier. It just isnt necessary. It might be different on the hardest difficulty but that is probably it


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I mean she is gonna need riding anyway for Dark Knight anyway.

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Pretty much. Thyrsus makes Lorenz a must recruit every playthrough, just for his paralogue. It might work best with Lysithea but even crestless mages don't hate having it available.

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I'm up to chapter 18 or so of Silver Snow. I'm using all teachers/staff plus Dorothea or Linhardt (mainly for Physic) this run. Weak link is Cyril and Flayn. Actually I should probably change Flayn back to Dancer, yeah idk why I didn't think of that sooner. Cyril though is too weak even as a Wyvern Lord.

Hanneman and Manuela have been pretty good as Dark Knights. I've always ignored Alois every other run but he's surprisingly decent. I still contend that Shamir is the best of the adults, always turns out even better than Catherine in every run I've done.
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AvlButtslam posted...

I'm up to chapter 18 or so of Silver Snow. I'm using all teachers/staff plus Dorothea or Linhardt (mainly for Physic) this run. Weak link is Cyril and Flayn. Actually I should probably change Flayn back to Dancer, yeah idk why I didn't think of that sooner. Cyril though is too weak even as a Wyvern Lord.

Hanneman and Manuela have been pretty good as Dark Knights. I've always ignored Alois every other run but he's surprisingly decent. I still contend that Shamir is the best of the adults, always turns out even better than Catherine in every run I've done.

You brute forced Manuela's reason to at least B for Dark Knight? Damn. I would have probably done Gremory for double bolting and warp, but still well done.

I'm surprised Cyril ended up being the weak link, he has a horrible early game because of his bases, but once you invest in him he should typically do work with his growths and maybe the best proficiencies in the game. Also PBV at C in bows which is just dumb.

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Yeeeah it was kind of a pain doing that but it seems to be paying off at least.
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So the first chapter I have Gilbert as an NPC, he gets Insta-killed by the boss before he can even move LMAO. Also, if I wanted to try to make Lorenz work... what would be the best path for him? I dont mind using him on Hard since it doesnt really matter but I legit dont even know what to do with him

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DepreceV2 posted...

So the first chapter I have Gilbert as an NPC, he gets Insta-killed by the boss before he can even move LMAO. Also, if I wanted to try to make Lorenz work... what would be the best path for him? I dont mind using him on Hard since it doesnt really matter but I legit dont even know what to do with him

Oh NPC Gilbert...

And you really got two options for Lorenz. Physical Lorenz and Magic Lorenz.

Physical Lorenz is very straightforward.
Nobel -> Fighter -> Brigand -> Cavalier -> Paladin.
Like nearly every Physical attacker you want to raise axes enough to cert in Brigand (D+ works) so you can get Death Blow. Besides that the skills he wants are Lances, Riding, and Authority. He'll operate like any Cavalier but will just be less good. He will have a weaker Frozen Lance though to heavy chip high defense enemies.

Magic Lorenz has similar two end options with similar paths.
Noble -> Monk -> Mage -> Cavalier -> Paladin
Noble -> Monk -> Mage -> Warlock -> Dark Knight

Mastering Monk and Mage are both essential to increase fire power. The Cavalier set is going to do one thing and one thing only, spam Frozen Lance, you can use big heavy weapons (like Steel+) since the goal is to OHKO so you getting doubled isn't too much a concern. I would carry a light weapon anyway to stop being doubled if you can't kill any enemy and are just going to Chip instead. This build will give Lorenz his single biggest damage, but lacks variety. Skill wise you need enough Reason to Cert into Mage. Beyond that focus on Lance, Riding, and Authority. Fun fact: Marianne can operate can do this build better, but she'll go Falcon Knight instead of Paladin.

Dark Knight Lorenz is basically raised like any other Dark Knight. Start focusing on Reason and never stop. Get Lance to C+ for Frozen Lance then forget it. Train Riding via Group Activities, Goals, and Instruction, since he can't grow the skill in combat. Authority is your other skill to focus on. This set gives less raw damage than the Magic Paladin in exchange for versatility.

Or just make him the dancer. Though his horrible base 3 charm makes that annoying.

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I finished the 4th route, so I think I'm finally gonna shelve the game for a while. Ended up choosing Rhea for the S support.

I didn't accomplish my goal of hitting S+ rank in every skill, think I still had Fists, Axes, Reason, Heavy Armor and Riding left. Also had like 2 or 3 classes that I hadn't mastered. That's what I'll try to do if I pick the game up again.

Claude was the best house leader, but Dimitri had the most compelling story imo. If I had to pick 8 students for my "perfect" house (both battle and characterwise) it'd probably be Claude, Dedue, Lysithea, Petra, Leonie, Dorothea, Bernadetta, Raphael. I'm gonna try to make that happen next time I play again. Oh wait but Dedue and Claude aren't possible to have together :\
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Its 2021. Have we figured out exactly what the Luck stat does yet? What I know to be facts about the stat and s that it lowers the enemies Critical Hit rat and effects activation rate of skills. I believe Miracle is one of those skills.

Outside of that? Not really sure. I mean I have assumptions but nothing concrete. Im assuming Luck is like a Dynamic Difficulty slider for each character. The game helps you out when you are going to die when the enemy has a 98% hit rate and somehow you dodge it. So stuff like that. Getting a clutch critical to save your life with a 2% critical rate. An activation of skills like Guard might be effected as well but I dont know too much about it to be sure.

Im sure SOMEONE datamined a game to find out what it exactly does by now right?

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DepreceV2 posted...

Its 2021. Have we figured out exactly what the Luck stat does yet? What I know to be facts about the stat and s that it lowers the enemies Critical Hit rat and effects activation rate of skills. I believe Miracle is one of those skills.

Outside of that? Not really sure. I mean I have assumptions but nothing concrete. Im assuming Luck is like a Dynamic Difficulty slider for each character. The game helps you out when you are going to die when the enemy has a 98% hit rate and somehow you dodge it. So stuff like that. Getting a clutch critical to save your life with a 2% critical rate. An activation of skills like Guard might be effected as well but I dont know too much about it to be sure.

Im sure SOMEONE datamined a game to find out what it exactly does by now right?

It isn't consistent from game to game. But yes. In Three Houses it mostly effects Magical Hit, Avoid, Criticals, and Crit Avoid

https://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Luck

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Gheb posted...

It isn't consistent from game to game. But yes. In Three Houses it mostly effects Magical Hit, Avoid, Criticals, and Crit Avoid

https://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Luck

Magical hit and avoid now? I never would have thought that. So does Luck flat out replace Dexterity for Magic users or are both stats relevant?

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Yeah, actually this is the first FE game in a while where Luck doesn't affect physical avoid, only magic.

Magic Hit Formula: Magical accuracy: Hit + [(Dexterity + Luck) / 2] + (Support bonus) + (Ability bonus) + (Equipment bonus) + (Battalion bonus) - (Bow range penalty)

Magic Avoid: Magical avoid: [(Speed + Luck) / 2] + (Ability bonus) + (Equipment bonus) + (Battalion bonus)

Critical Formula: (Weapon Crit) + [(Dexterity + Luck) / 2] + (Ability bonus) + (Equipment bonus) + (Battalion bonus)

Crit Avoid: (Luck) + (Ability bonus)


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Good to know. I didnt expect Luck to work like that.

On a side note, Lorenz continues to be a walking failure. Missing a 98% hit rate? Really? This guy is just not there. If I cant field every character, he will always be on the bench

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DepreceV2 posted...

Good to know. I didnt expect Luck to work like that.

On a side note, Lorenz continues to be a walking failure. Missing a 98% hit rate? Really? This guy is just not there. If I cant field every character, he will always be on the bench

Well in that case that is more getting screwed by the RNG than Lorenz specifically, but your overall assessment still holds true. Which path have you decided to take him down.

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Gheb posted...

Well in that case that is more getting screwed by the RNG than Lorenz specifically, but your overall assessment still holds true. Which path have you decided to take him down.

I picked Cavalier and Ill go from there. Maybe Dark Knight if he can obtain that class like the Death Knight. I dont know if that is unique to him or not though.

EDIT: I will do Dark Knight. I forgot someone already said its possible. I might have screwed up. I might need to do Monk instead of Cavalier?

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DepreceV2 posted...

I picked Cavalier and Ill go from there. Maybe Dark Knight if he can obtain that class like the Death Knight. I dont know if that is unique to him or not though.

EDIT: I will do Dark Knight. I forgot someone already said its possible. I might have screwed up. I might need to do Monk instead of Cavalier?

Death Knight is exclusive to the Death Knight. Dark Knight is conceptually similar but has Black Tomefaire instead of Lancefaire and a different mastery ability. But they are both mounted casters who use spells and lances.

And you have time to still fix Lorenz. Just make sure to master Mage for Fiendish Blow and it might even be worth mastering Monk for Magic +2 (Lorenz needs all the attack he can get), then just ride out Warlock while raising Riding. So you can be a Dark Knight by 30.

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Compsognathus posted...

Death Knight is exclusive to the Death Knight. Dark Knight is conceptually similar but has Black Tomefaire instead of Lancefaire and a different mastery ability. But they are both mounted casters who use spells and lances.

And you have time to still fix Lorenz. Just make sure to master Mage for Fiendish Blow and it might even be worth mastering Monk for Magic +2 (Lorenz needs all the attack he can get), then just ride out Warlock while raising Riding. So you can be a Dark Knight by 30.

OK thanks. Luckily I just promoted him to Cavalier so changing him now wont be much of a setback

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I mean ultimately he needs the Lance and Riding skills anyway, hardly the end of the world.

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I feel like making Lorenz a Mage was 100% the right move. He got far more useful. I think the number 1 reason is that he has access to the Fire spell. His speed may not be great but the spell being so light lets him double often which helps him tremendously. Plus, magic tends to be overall more useful in hand since defense is usually higher that resistance so that helps as well.

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DepreceV2 posted...

I feel like making Lorenz a Mage was 100% the right move. He got far more useful. I think the number 1 reason is that he has access to the Fire spell. His speed may not be great but the spell being so light lets him double often which helps him tremendously. Plus, magic tends to be overall more useful in hand since defense is usually higher that resistance so that helps as well.

Magic tends to have better range, better damage, can counter from any distance within range, and refills itself automatically every battle for free.

It's kinda dumb how much magic is better than weapons in this game. The best weapons are the ones that are also essentially just magic like levin sword+

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I feel like both magic and bows were like way better than melee weapons in this. I had all non-magic users learn the bow at some point.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Magic tends to have better range, better damage, can counter from any distance within range, and refills itself automatically every battle for free.

It's kinda dumb how much magic is better than weapons in this game. The best weapons are the ones that are also essentially just magic like levin sword+

Magic's issue mostly comes from lack of flexibility and very limited enemy phase. For the most part the people who hit hardest with magic can neither take a hit well, nor do they have the strength to actively double (in Maddening). Which means most attacks are single heavy hits. Great for chipping or killing off weakened enemies, but often not able to one round on their own.

The bigger issue is combat arts. No mage is going to match the offensive performance of Swift Strikes, Hunter's Volley, or Point-Blank Volley. Even discounting brave abilities, all weapon users have the ability to temporarily increase their attack for a single attack to potentially get a kill they couldn't based on weapon might alone. If Dorothea is coming short of a kill by three points with Agnes Arrow, there is nothing she can do. If Ferdinand is short a kill by three points he can Tempest Lance and reach it.

This all matters much less outside of Maddening, where most units double most enemies so the value of single hit combat arts are much less and even the value of Brave arts are dismissed.

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I just started playing OG Fire Emblem for GBA. I had no idea these games were SRPGS wtf

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SpaceBear_ posted...

I just started playing OG Fire Emblem for GBA. I had no idea these games were SRPGS wtf

Im actually currently playing this little by little when Im out and about on my phone. Man I havent played it in so long and if brings me back. Im on the last chapter for Lyns story

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DepreceV2 posted...

Im actually currently playing this little by little when Im out and about on my phone. Man I havent played it in so long and if brings me back. Im on the last chapter for Lyns story

Except now you can fully embrace the meta and know that the point of Lyn mode is the give Florida all Stat Boosters and funnel as much experience into Sain as possible so you can get him to at least level 14 so you can promote him with Wallace's Knights Crest and give yourself another god unit in the main game.

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Compsognathus posted...

Except now you can fully embrace the meta and know that the point of Lyn mode is the give Florida all Stat Boosters and funnel as much experience into Sain as possible so you can get him to at least level 14 so you can promote him with Wallace's Knights Crest and give yourself another god unit in the main game.

Actually, my Florina is getting showered with blessings from the RNG Goddess right now. Check it out.




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Yeah, your a little below on Speed and Skill but that is well worth the trade for that Strength.

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Compsognathus posted...

Yeah, your a little below on Speed and Skill but that is well worth the trade for that Strength.

Yep. I can still see her maxing out Speed regardless too

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DepreceV2 posted...

Yep. I can still see her maxing out Speed regardless too

Yeah, even lightly screwed Florina is going to be still gonna be very fast in a game like FE7 where everyone enemies slow as hell.

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Question. The annual fishing tournament... Is it best to blow through all your bait that is given to you? I mean, you can farm professor rank from this tournament right?

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DepreceV2 posted...

Question. The annual fishing tournament... Is it best to blow through all your bait that is given to you? I mean, you can farm professor rank from this tournament right?

The tournament bait is useless. Use all of it immediately. You're only trying to catch the fish Flayn cares about

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The tournament bait is useless. Use all of it immediately. You're only trying to catch the fish Flayn cares about

So just catch the fish she wants and call it a day?

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DepreceV2 posted...

So just catch the fish she wants and call it a day?

Yeah. Once you catch that fish you're done with the tournament.

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DepreceV2 posted...

Question. The annual fishing tournament... Is it best to blow through all your bait that is given to you? I mean, you can farm professor rank from this tournament right?

No. You really just need to catch a Teutates Herring to complete the quest, and a 4* fish to beat all the other students. Show thr 4* fish to the other students before completing the quest

Otherwise save bait and buy it each week for the Fistfuls of Fish weekends and blow it all then. You'll get 3ish fish per bait.

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Also save all the 5* bait for the goddess messenger events.

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Good to know

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Another question. What is up with this Monk somewhat close to Rhea? He keeps talking about purging those Abyssian idiots. It wouldnt be a big deal if this was his dialogue for the month but it seems to be the same dialogue month after month which is very strange. Not to mention is dialogue is very dark in general

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What monk? I don't remember this.

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DepreceV2 posted...

Another question. What is up with this Monk somewhat close to Rhea? He keeps talking about purging those Abyssian idiots. It wouldnt be a big deal if this was his dialogue for the month but it seems to be the same dialogue month after month which is very strange. Not to mention is dialogue is very dark in general

He is referring to the Abyss. An area explored in the DLC.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

What monk? I don't remember this.

There is a Monk near a window right outside the room with Rhea and Seteth. He is kinda off on his own. If you are facing the room with main room with Rhea in it, not the side room inside the main room, there is a hallway directly to your right that has a Monk near the window in the corner talking about this

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It's a DLC hook.

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