Current Events > UN vote to combat glorification of Nazism passes 130-2

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Wtf does "combat glorification of nazism" mean?

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Nazis and confederates are the biggest losers in history that never had a single damn chance in winning the war yet their edgy coward fan base keeps worshiping them.

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AssultTank is really, really worried about being accused of being a Nazi is his hypothetic world where people will just randomly accuse others of Nazism with no proof.

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1) How do you determine when an ideology is a threat and needs to be censored?

Uhh, when it threatens you? Not that hard to grasp. Fascism is a direct threat, so there you go. Not really a question that needs to be asked.

2) Who makes the determination?

The people who decide to be fascists are the ones who have decided they should not be heard.

3) What protections are in place to prevent it from being used to abuse political opponents?

In the USA, none. This is a bit of a non-sequitur, and arguing from the assumption that authority figures are the good guys. The US government, and the people it serves (note: not the general populace or the working class), already persecute and censor progressive and left wing views quite successfully. Of course, the USA has always embraced enough elements of fascism within its own core to be regarded as an enemy of, well, not being fascist.

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Communism and Islam are...incredibly different than Nazism. You seem to fundamentally lack an understanding of this very basic fact and instead are jumping to WOW THE GOBERMENT

This is like when Glenn Beck pretended to have an emotional breakdown over loving his country and fearing for it to try and justify his bigotry. Except for some reason you want Nazism to be okay.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Imagine waking up on a Saturday morning and thinking Yeah, Im gonna keep defending Nazism on my mod account.

You're not actually responding to his points


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Nazism should be okay because the United States government has discriminated against middle eastern people.

Again, this is your brain on right wing libertarianism and armchair philosophy.

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If you're suggesting the holodomor and the holocaust are comparable I'm 100% certain you're the one who needs to read up on some history.

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AssultTank posted...

I'm saying that the US government took laws designed to fight terrorism and used them to discriminate against middle eastern people. I don't trust the government to combat Nazism without discriminating against some other group that even you would agree shouldn't be targeted...

What hypothetically innocent group of people would have so much in common with Nazis ideologically that theyd be wrongfully targeted by the government? I hope you realize that his doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Especially since you just compared the Holodomoor to the Holocaust.


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one important thing on the "low key shade" thing is that russian nationalists don't believe ukraine should exist. they say ukrainians don't exist (they do) and that the ukrainian language is just a dialect of russian (it's not). they've been calling ukrainians nazis for a long time to delegitimize their existence in the eyes of others

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It's fine. Just means it's our collective responsibility to crush Nazism on our own with our free speech

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's fine. Just means it's our collective responsibility to crush Nazism on our own with our free speech

Bro but then youll be just like the fascists

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AssultTank posted...

What do US Citizens of Middle Eastern descent have in common with radical terrorists? I mean, it could be any group the government decides to use as a target.

What is stopping the government from doing whatever it wants right now? Is whether or not they say Nazism is really bad at the UN going to change how they behave? Seems weird to applaud the US for being unflappable defenders of human rights for picking a side on some meaningless UN declaration. That would be like if we praised Saudi Arabia for respecting Jews and gay people for voting yes.

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i'm guessing people just aren't reading the topic but i'd like to reiterate that russia does not introduce this resolution every few years because Putin is really concerned about the rise of white nationalism

hockeybub89 posted...

What is stopping the government from doing whatever it wants right now? Is whether or not they say Nazism is really bad at the UN going to change how they behave? Seems weird to applaud the US for being unflappable defenders of human rights for picking a side on some meaningless UN declaration. That would be like if we praised Saudi Arabia for respecting Jews and gay people for voting yes.

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This specific topic is about free speech

And you're complaining about people talking about this subject

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UnfairRepresent posted...

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This specific topic is about free speech

And you're complaining about people talking about this subject

The US does not care about free speech or your rights, so the entire premise of the topic is silly. The stance here means nothing either way. Does anything in that UN vote even say anything about actually making it illegal to think like a Nazi?

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Some of you guys are really taking defending people not being restricted by the government with literally defending Nazi ideology.

You can replace that group with any other group and the argument would still be valid.

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AssultTank posted...

Right now, we have legal limits on government power, although that hasn't stopped black people from getting killed by police and people being put into concentration camps at the border. We definitely don't need to be giving the government doing that shit even more express permission to abuse their power...

Because we totally gave them express permission to do those things. I don't believe this UN vote was made by the general populace anyway. The government will do whatever it wants if you don't force them to do otherwise.

Your stance only makes logical sense if you are against the very concept of the government even existing due to their lack of trustworthiness. Abolish government or bust. Only way to be sure they don't think we're giving them permission.

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Skype posted...

Some of you guys are really taking defending people not being restricted by the government with literally defending Nazi ideology.

You can replace that group with any other group and the argument would still be valid.

"We have concentration camps and police killing black people and abducting protesters. Good on the American government for respecting everyone's rights by not saying Nazism should be stopped"

AssultTank's argument makes no sense. I agree even shitbags should have free speech, but pick a lane on the government.

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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

I especially liked the part where he implied that fighting against Nazism makes us "the real fascists all along".

"No, that's dumb. Don't be dumb." is an essential function of society.
However, "we're going to punish you for saying dumb things" just leads to people being secretly dumb.

dressing down wanting to commit genocide as "dumb" is peak questiontarius

also the core point of that post is wrong. quashing them reduces their ability to propagate, empirically

AssultTank posted...

Patriot Act. Yeah, they were given express permission for the southern border stuff... And the systematic injustice against middle eastern people...

I do think we need a government that is for the people by the people. It needs to be limited in scope and power. I can't support abolishing all government and going into total anarchy though.

I think the government should work for us too. That's exactly why I don't buy into the "permission" thing. They do things without it and permission from you or I isn't even a aspect of the decision making process. They do what they want and you are reading too much into a meaningless vote either way. It certainly isn't worthy of praise when you go and mention all the bad shit this same government is doing on its own. The "no" vote here is just as worthless as those "yes" votes.

Don't blame the people and then say your solution is giving the power to the people.

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Hippocrates posted...

dressing down wanting to commit genocide as "dumb" is peak questiontarius

Are you suggesting that no secret basement nazis exist?
Germany is supposedly lousy with them now.

Questionmarktarius posted...

"No, that's dumb. Don't be dumb." is an essential function of society.
However, "we're going to punish you for saying dumb things" just leads to people being secretly dumb.

We're seeing in America that A is already being viewed as B. Merely having people disagree with you has become vindication for all kinds of dumb beliefs recently.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Are you suggesting that no secret basement nazis exist?

you already peaked itt you don't have to keep posting stupid shit

IMNOTRAGED posted...

It is the government's place to protect the people's civil rights

Exactly. So they do not, and should not, police the free exchange of ideas.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Bro but then youll be just like the fascists

This is undeniable proof that you don't understand the argument well enough to engage in it.

hockeybub89 posted...

It's fine. Just means it's our collective responsibility to crush Nazism on our own with our free speech

This is the right attitude to have. It's exactly what the protection of free speech is supposed to enable.

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it's like no one here realizes that a lot of western countries have had perfectly reasonable limits to free speech for a long time and haven't turned into fascist hellholes.

meanwhile the USA elected trump and had quite possible the closest thing to a white supremacist leadership we've seen in the west since WW2. enjoy your shithole

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TheGreatEscape posted...

perfectly reasonable limits to free speech for a long time and haven't turned into fascist hellholes

Yeah, having the police knock on your door to investigate you because you made a less-than-fluffy post on social media is totally fine.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Yeah, having the police knock on your door to investigate you because you made a less-than-fluffy post on social media is totally fine.

We laugh at the UK for doing this shit. There needs to be protections for all free speech or no free speech. You can't pick and choose.

That said, allowing social gatherings to disseminate hate speech under the guise of peaceful assembly should be addressed. It's an incredibly fine line; one you guys are paying for your freedoms. It's all a matter of whether you trust the people in charge to be able to enact these freedoms.

TheGreatEscape posted...

it's like no one here realizes that a lot of western countries have had perfectly reasonable limits to free speech for a long time and haven't turned into fascist hellholes.

This also bears in mind having a political assembly that you trust to do these things. Canada is pretty good about it. The UK not so much.

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TheGreatEscape posted...

it's like no one here realizes that a lot of western countries have had perfectly reasonable limits to free speech for a long time and haven't turned into fascist hellholes.

meanwhile the USA elected trump and had quite possible the closest thing to a white supremacist leadership we've seen in the west since WW2. enjoy your shithole

Dont you know that everywhere that isnt the United States is actually a fascist hellhole? Open a history book, liberal!

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AssultTank posted...

Even a "perfectly reasonable" limit to free speech can be twisted by a corrupt government. Take Germany's law about criticism of the government as an example. They could in theory crack down hard on people who say ANYTHING that could be viewed as disagreement with a political position endorsed by the majority of the government, and it would be well within their own laws. Then when people complained about the crackdown, well they are just dangerous dissenters and can be silenced under the same law. And this is a law on the books. The only thing preventing it thus far is that it isn't being enforced that way... Literally just the German government is choosing to not enforce a law that is written in a way that would allow them to do this. The wrong party comes into power and all of a sudden, you have this law being abused to hell and back.

your are paranoid is what's going on here, probably because you live in a country that thrives on extremism. the only place where those scenarios you make up are likely to happen is where you are. And the only reason they're a possibility is because your terrible laws have allowed hate and hate speech to spread and become normalized in political discourse. and yet the only thing you can think of is the fucking status quo. you're a lot less creative and smart than you think you are.

Alucard188 posted...

This also bears in mind having a political assembly that you trust to do these things. Canada is pretty good about it. The UK not so much.

the UK sure has its issues, being led by a profoundly inept government, but it's not like the courts and rule of law have crumbled. Besides most other western countries and even other developed countries have similar laws that work

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Yeah, having the police knock on your door to investigate you because you made a less-than-fluffy post on social media is totally fine.

you mean like the woman who was posting real Covid numbers after Florida faked them?

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Southernfatman posted...

Is there really much difference in promoting nazism or any other hateful or genocidal promoting ideology and making death/terroristic threats?

not really. violence is a core part of nazism and facism as a whole, it literally cannot operate without directing violence against select enemies.

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AssultTank posted...

Well these are actual German law

Literally wrong. But consistently hilarious how much hysterical American conservatives hate Germany.

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A good video:

https://youtu.be/BiqDZlAZygU

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

The GFAQs mod staff, ladies and gentlemen.

I mean...He's got a point.

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Send more comedians to jail for teaching their girlfriends pug the nazi salute eh?