Current Events > Black woman to pay real life white woman Lady Anne Boleyn in new Tudors drama

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/15/jodie-turner-smith-pictured-in-tudor-costume-as-she-plays-anne-boleyn-in-convention-challenging-new-drama-13753743





Yeah, don't race swap real life people of history. Whether you agree or disagree to the race swapping of fictional characters is a matter of personal preference, but actors playing real life people should look like the person they are playing as, and part of a person's look is their skin color. There should be no "reinterpretation" when it comes to real life people.

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How much is she gonna pay her?

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what about Hamilton

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

what about Hamilton

Do we even know if Hamilton could sing well?

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brb gonna go be assdevastated on twitter for show I don't really give a shit about

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I agree, but i'm less likely to care if the persons race isn't really crucial to the story. Like, is this persons defining story existent because of something related to her being white? Is it like if a white guy played Martin Luther King?

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I disagree. They should race and genderswap characters based on real people all the time. The more silly the better. They should play it totally straight too.

I wont rest easy until i see a Bill Clinton biopic where he is played by a muslim black transgender woman in a full body covering.

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Bass_X0 posted...

There should be no "reinterpretation" when it comes to real life people.

Bullshit. Reinterpretation of personality and actions of real people has happened in all forms of media for centuries. Why is looks any different?

Jesus christ superstar had a multiracial cast. Judas was black. Scratch that, the best judas was black

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YourDrunkFather posted...

How much is she gonna pay her?

Oof. I didn't notice.

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Billions of people world wide had no problem making a Arab Jew into a pasty white man.

This should be fine.

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This isn't something to get upset over. Still, it feels like a move to create buzz or controversy. And we all know the opposite would be completely unacceptable.

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Southernfatman posted...

This isn't something to get upset over. Still, it feels like a move to create buzz or controversy. And we all know the opposite would be completely unacceptable.

Plenty of white people have played Egyptians or Middle Eastern people. No one cared. I think it has more to do with the time period being so long ago that no one really associates the race when its irrelevant because they didn't see it. If its someone from modern times that actually existed it would seem stranger.

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VipaGTS posted...

Plenty of white people have played Egyptians or Middle Eastern people. No one cared. I think it has more to do with the time period being so long ago that no one really associates the race when its irrelevant because they didn't see it. If its someone from modern times that actually existed it would seem stranger.

Bullshit. Gods of Egypt was BLASTED for having white people in it.


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ghettoraider81 posted...

Bullshit. Gods of Egypt was BLASTED for having white people in it.

And other movies where its happened weren't. *shrug*

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Like its a bad faith argument that relies on minority actors getting equal consideration for roles for it to be viable. They dont.

VipaGTS posted...

Plenty of white people have played Egyptians or Middle Eastern people. No one cared. I think it has more to do with the time period being so long ago that no one really associates the race when its irrelevant because they didn't see it. If its someone from modern times that actually existed it would seem stranger.

And that shouldn't have happened either and at this point we are mostly past that sort of thing or at least we should be. I just think having these double standards doesn't help anything.

But still, it's not something to be that mad or worried about.

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I don't really care, but I do think it's weird to not basically just cast a person that looks the most like the real person if its something historical. Skin color is at least *part* of that equation. Not something I'd lose sleep or boycott over or anything.

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VipaGTS posted...

And other movies where its happened weren't. *shrug*

Name one recent movie where that has happened that didnt get backlash.

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The Top Crusader posted...

I don't really care, but I do think it's weird to not basically just cast a person that looks the most like the real person if its something historical

Dude she died 500 years ago. Who cares what she really looked like?

Interestingly enough, I was just reading up on the Tudors last night. I love when you uncover a glitch in the matrix.

Bass_X0 posted...

There should be no "reinterpretation" when it comes to real life people.

Lol wat
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lilORANG posted...

Interestingly enough, I was just reading up on the Tudors last night. I love when you uncover a glitch in the matrix.

Lol wat

I believe accuracy is key when playing the role of a person, and all inaccuracies are flaws. We only have paintings of what Lady Anne Boleyn looked like so representations of her should look like how she does in her portraits.

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The director isnt trying to be progressive, hes just being creative in his execution of black people, since Anne Boleyn is killed. There I said it.

Bass_X0 posted...

I believe accuracy is key when playing the role of a person, and all inaccuracies are flaws.

Thats fine, but just know this is a laughable opinion.

Grogu posted...

Thats fine, but just know this is a laughable opinion.

Its really not. Especially when representing historical figures.

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Accuracy isnt a prerequisite to fictional media, even if the fictional media uses non-fictional places, events and yes people.

Wow, never saw this coming.

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have we had a black Lincoln yet

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ThyCorndog posted...

have we had a black Lincoln yet

Some believe that Lincoln's mother had an affair with an African American slave.

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Grogu posted...

Accuracy isnt a prerequisite to fictional media, even if the fictional media uses non-fictional places, events and yes people.

This is the way.

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A film or a play is almost never ever a fully accurate representation of non fictional events even when they aim for absolute accuracy. It's just a reality of the medium.

This is a weird grey area, because it could or could not matter for a long list of reasons and many of those may just be based in preference. Honestly, I wouldn't watch this anyways, because the subject matter doesn't interest me so I don't really care what people think of this.

Well I cared enough to comment lol

Seriously, if you want the most accurate film/tv portrayal and appearance of the actors is a part of that then I could see this not being for you. If you're open to watching a bit of a reinterpretation of historical events and/or people then maybe you'll like this. Can't both positions be acceptable as long as people are just respectful to each other about it?

Though yeah the precedent that is the internet says we should all virtue signal and be outraged over this move.

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Unless the show intends to address matters of racism conspicuously I really don't see the problem here

I mean isn't the argument usually "it's just an actor", like when a straight cis person plays a trans or gay character?

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TC has a point.

If this tv show he's talking about is a documentary.

Doesn't seem like it, though.
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I havent read all the responses in this topic, but have there been any Blackwashing is fine because they whitewash all the time! AKA I have no principles and know im a hypocrite but ive chosen team liberal and thats that posts?
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EffectAndCause posted...

I havent read all the responses in this topic, but have there been any Blackwashing is fine because they whitewash all the time! AKA I have no principles and know im a hypocrite but ive chosen team liberal and thats that posts?

Black people are underepresented in media and television in leading roles and it might be socially good to be more inclusive =/= blackwashing

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seems the tokenism doesn't extend to asians though

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Everyone is missing the most important question. Does she have six fingers?

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I honestly dont care outside of double standards. The reasons dont matter. Its either okay or not okay to swap races.

YourDrunkFather posted...

How much is she gonna pay her?

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pinky0926 posted...

Black people are underepresented in media and television in leading roles and it might be socially good to be more inclusive =/= blackwashing

It either matters for all characters or no characters. You cant get mad at white people for playing non-white roles and then be okay with black people playing white roles.

If you think race doesnt matter, best actor should get the part (like I do), then theres no issue with this.
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nemu posted...

I honestly dont care outside of double standards. The reasons dont matter. Its either okay or not okay to swap races.

Why be reductive? Problems are nuanced. If you genuinely believe that white and minority actors are cast equally then youre wrong, and if you dont care about that then your double standard argument still falls flat. Ask yourself why.

Bwahaha they actually think they can do what Hamilton did, but nobody can ever come close. I literally think Lafayette when I imagine Thomas Jefferson

Didn't they already do like 4 seasons of The Tudors? I know because I literally only watched that show for natalie dormer, she was a smokeshow
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Grogu posted...

Why be reductive? Problems are nuanced.

AKA theres always a way for me to explain myself out of being a hypocrite
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Grogu posted...

Why be reductive? Problems are nuanced. If you genuinely believe that white and minority actors are cast equally then youre wrong, and if you dont care about that then your double standard argument still falls flat. Ask yourself why.

I guess if you can show me the reality in which minority actors can only get parts via race swapping, then I might care. Otherwise, thats just a dumb justification.

EffectAndCause posted...

It either matters for all characters or no characters. You cant get mad at white people for playing non-white roles and then be okay with black people playing white roles.

If you think race doesnt matter, best actor should get the part (like I do), then theres no issue with this.

EffectAndCause posted...

It either matters for all characters or no characters. You cant get mad at white people for playing non-white roles and then be okay with black people playing white roles.

Well actually sure you can, if you use a little bit of nuance and consider the actual reason why someone would get mad at white people playing black roles, and not just stop there and disengage further thinking

If you think race doesnt matter, best actor should get the part (like I do), then theres no issue with this.

You're right, however we don't live in that reality where race doesn't matter, nor do we live in that timeline where race never mattered, so unfortunately here we are.

Also maybe she just...was the best actress for the part?

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oh BABY would you be hearing about it if this was reversed

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pinky0926 posted...

Also maybe she just...was the best actress for the part?

I agree, she probably was, just like all those white people who got non-white roles were.

Benedict Cumberbatch > whatever race appropriate person that couldve played Khan in Star Trek Into Darkness
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Why are you arguing with EffectandCause?
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