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2Pacavelli posted...

The Egyptians called people of those nations the "Hyskos" which means invaders from foreign lands. Most Egyptian artwork they dont show themselves as simply tan, but as Dark Brown or Black like the average African person. Mentuhotep II for example is a Black man from Waset. He was the person who started the Middle Kingdom of Egypt

No the Hyskos and Libyans were lighter skinned and Kushites were black. Egyptians marked themselves as in between and other sources pointed the difference. Shoshenq was a Libyan Pharoah, so they knew the differences. Also everyone else. Egyptians and Sub-Saharan Africans were considered ethnically distinct

I mean Ethiopian means "burned faced" in Greek, why create another term if the peoples were the same?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

No the Hyskos and Libyans were lighter skinned and Kushites were black. Egyptians marked themselves as in between and other sources pointed the difference. Shoshenq was a Libyan Pharoah, so they knew the differences. Also everyone else. Egyptians and Sub-Saharan Africans were considered ethnically distinct

I mean Ethiopian means "burned faced" in Greek, why create another term if the peoples were the same?

The Egyptian Pharoah Mentuhotep II himself is a Black man from Waset as well and its shown in primary sources in Egypt.

Egypt itself comes from Aegyptos which is Greek translation of a word that refers to "House of the Soul of Ptah". They had their own name to call themselves which is why other nations would refer to them (The Egyptians) as their given name.

Same reason why different groups of European and Asian tribes and kingdoms are called by different names is the same reason why different groups of Africans would have different names.

Not only that but Greeks such as Aristotle, Herodotus and others referred to Egyptians and Ethiopians as a common people and as both of them as Black people. Diodorus Sicculus a Greek Historian, referenced that Egypt itself was known as colony that originated from Ethiopia.

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3A*.html

Cambyses,4 for instance, they say, who made war upon them with a great force, both lost all his army and was himself exposed to the greatest peril; Semiramis also, who through the magnitude of her undertakings and achievements has become renowned, after advancing a short distance into Ethiopia gave up her campaign against the whole nation; and Heracles and Dionysus, although they visited all the inhabited earth, failed to subdue the Ethiopians alone who dwell above Egypt, both because of the piety of these men and because of the insurmountable difficulties involved in the attempt.

They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony.

In the video below you can also find the speaker going over other accounts of Greeks referring to the Egyptians as Black African people.

https://youtu.be/9KbGwScXN5s

2Pacavelli posted...

The Egyptian Pharoah Mentuhotep II himself is a Black man from Waset as well and its shown in primary sources in Egypt.

He looks pretty Egyptian and not black in his pics.

2Pacavelli posted...

Egypt itself comes from Aegyptos which is Greek translation of a word that refers to "House of the Soul of Ptah". They had their own name to call themselves which is why other nations would refer to them (The Egyptians) as their given name.

And for some reason they don't refer to them as Black, like they had another name for that or something.

2Pacavelli posted...

Not only that but Greeks such as Aristotle, Herodotus and others referred to Egyptians and Ethiopians as a common people and as both of them as Black people.

If this was the case they would have called them all Ethiopians

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Dathrowed1 posted...

He looks pretty Egyptian and not black in his pics

I disagree. These are some of his pictures. He's Black and Egyptian

And here are more:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentuhotep_II

There also doesn't seem to be evidence of him being Kushite or Ethiopian in origin. Shoshenq was known to be a Libyan Pharaoh and Taharqa was known to be an Ethiopian. If Ancient Egyptians were black then why have a separate term for black people?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

If Ancient Egyptians were black then why have a separate term for black people?

Same reason why Norwegians, Italians and Russians have different names, yet they all are European

2Pacavelli posted...

Same reason why Norwegians, Italians and Russians have different names, yet they all are European

It isnt the same here actually. Ancients had terms for black people and it was never applied to Egyptians.

If you want to go there, they did have terms for Judeans, Assyrians, some Arab groups and Babylonians yet they are all Semites

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Dathrowed1 posted...

It isnt the same here actually. Ancients had terms for black people and it was never applied to Egyptians.

If you want to go there, they did have terms for Judeans, Assyrians, some Arab groups and Babylonians yet they are all Semites

In the text I quoted above from Diodorus Siculus he does refer to Egypt as being a colony of Ethiopian origin. So some Greek Historians did refer to the Egyptians as being of Ethiopian origin.

i actually don't care about this decision, that's fine w/ me

what's annoying about it is the hypocrisy of the matter though. like a bunch of the people who were upset, say, that scarlett johanson played the girl in Ghost in the Shell are okay with this. and vice versa. ppl who were okay with scar-jo in GitS are upset about this.

it's generally stupid and hypocritical

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2Pacavelli posted...

In the text I quoted above from Diodorus Siculus he does refer to Egypt as being a colony of Ethiopian origin. So some Greek Historians did refer to the Egyptians as being of Ethiopian origin.

We have one and his account is steeped in legend

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2Pacavelli posted...

mostly irrelevant to the majority of Egyptian history.

Any single person is irrelevant to the majority of history.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

We have one and his account is steeped in legend

There's multiple accounts coming from Aristotle and Herodotus as well that refer to the Egyptians and Ethiopians as a common people.

There are also first hand accounts of the Egyptians stating themselves that they have their origins further South in the land that the Greeks referred to as Ethiopia.

Some first hand accounts saying their ancestral homeland is from the land of Punt / Ta-Neter / Divine Land (commonly agreed to be where modern day Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia is), and some saying their homeland is from the beginning of the Nile River near the foothills of the Mountain of the Moon where god "Hapi" dwells. Which would be the area around where Ethiopia or Uganda is by the sources of either the Blue Nile or White Nile.

Not only that, but when you study the history of the Nile Valley people you'll see that there was a Kingdom called Ta-Seti, that existed before the first dynasty of Egypt. And in that kingdom there were artifacts that had hieroglyphic symbols, and referenced Egyptian deities. And this kingdom was located in the region of Nubia. So that is also evidence that shows that the people who lived along the Nile River not only shared a common continuous culture, but it also shows that the cultural practices and forms of writing that existed in Egypt were present before Egypt existed in the land of Nubia

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/03/01/archives/ancient-nubian-artifacts-yield-evidence-of-earliest-monarchy-clues.html

https://oi.uchicago.edu/museum-exhibits/nubia/qustul-incense-burner

SquirtleSkwad posted...

Any single person is irrelevant to the majority of history

I understand what you mean. What I'm just saying is, that when it comes to who established the civilization, in terms of time, she lived sooner to the era we live in now than the era that the first pyramid builders lived in. She wasn't apart of building the civilization up

2Pacavelli posted...

There's multiple accounts coming from Aristotle and Herodotus as well that refer to the Egyptians and Ethiopians as a common people.

If they don't refer to Egyptians as Ethiopians, then they didn't believe they were black

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