Current Events > Black woman to pay real life white woman Lady Anne Boleyn in new Tudors drama

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

what about Hamilton

Broadway is different because there you cast based on singing ability. And how many old white rappers do you know? >_>

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

When you want to tell a story set in the past but are still committed to the woke religion.

Seriously, as a black man, this shit doesn't make me feel included, it takes me out of it.

Like I said, since the inception of facebook and twitter, human race has gone backwards. We have also reached the point of civilization to pick on trivial shit to disgree about.

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This is so stupid, and people who don't have a problem with this are fucking dumb.

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Ivynn posted...

Broadway is different because there you cast based on singing ability. And how many old white rappers do you know? >_>

It's worth noting that Hamilton did get called out for race restricted casting but nobody cared. They called it a "semantic issue" when they put out a call for non-white actors but then the producers said that they weren't planning on changing their casting priorities anyway because it was essential to their vision that the founding fathers be black.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/hamilton-casting-call-non-white/

As CBS2s Tony Aiello reported, the controversy was sparked by a casting notice posted by the producers of Hamilton, which specifically seeks non-white performers.

Funny enough, there actually was a case of a white man on Broadway playing Martin Luther King Jr and it led to a thousand signatures strong petition from playwrights to abandon colorblind casting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/hamilton-casting/476247/

Earlier this year, following a few incidents where supposed colorblindness led to white actors playing parts written as non-whiteincluding a portrayal of Martin Luther King, Jr. more than 1,000 playwrights signed a column published in American Theatre arguing for color-conscious casting instead.

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Balrog0 posted...

Jesus christ superstar had a multiracial cast. Judas was black. Scratch that, the best judas was black

I mean, Michael Clarke Duncan played an incredible version of the Kingpin, right up there with the 94 animated Kingpin.

Pandamonic posted...

This is so stupid, and people who don't have a problem with this are fucking dumb.

As long as we get Talcum X... wait he already exists

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Ivany2008 posted...

I mean, Michael Clarke Duncan played an incredible version of the Kingpin, right up there with the 94 animated Kingpin.

Kingpin is also a fictional character. His ethnicity matters less than that of the actual historical queen of England.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Who literally gives a fuck? How many people seriously knew who Anne Boleyn was before this casting?

You can't honestly be so stupid to think that she isn't well known.

Wasn't Anne Boleyn one of the two wives Henry VIII beheaded?

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PokemonYoutube posted...

Ah yes, because black people are so pure and virtuous that they would never do any of those horrendous and vile things that the white man did to them.

Like I said, I don't care about that. The thing I said still stands.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Like I said, I don't care about that. The thing I said still stands.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU whenever someone says something you don't like won't get you very far, mate.

Grogu posted...

Like its a bad faith argument that relies on minority actors getting equal consideration for roles for it to be viable. They dont.

Topic should have ended right here

It's the equivalent of asking why there isnt Affirmative Action for white basketball players


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I have as much outrage over this as I would if there were a movie about black honest abe freeing white slaves from the north.


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Flauros posted...

I wont rest easy until i see a Bill Clinton biopic where he is played by a muslim black transgender woman in a full body covering.

Ill pay double if that guy plays Trump

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If it were the other way around you'd have riots

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so hank azaria can't voice apu anymore but this is okay . ~ .

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This isnt to something to outrage over. But for those people who would be outraged if a real black woman was portrayed by a white actor, it would be hypocritical of them to not bat an eye at this situation

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Can we get Betty White starring as Rosa Parks plz

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PokemonYoutube posted...

Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU whenever someone says something you don't like won't get you very far, mate.

And yet, here I am, saying I don't care about the thing you're trying to change the topic to. It has nothing to do with what I said.

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Due to racism being strong in the past, white people in power were only able to acquire their high ranking roles because they were white. If they were black, they would not have been able to do so even if every other characteristic about them stayed the same. So Ill say a white persons skin color was crucial in the past. Doesnt make it right, but thats how it was.

Someone said what if Martin Luther King was played by a white actor. Martin Luther Kings story only happened because having white skin was crucial to being in power. Sure racism is bad, nobody is disagreeing that, but for the longest time it formed the backbone to society and culture. We cant pretend it didnt exist in the past by corrective casting choices today.

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I dont even know who Anne Boleyn is

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Let's ask Lady Anne Boleyn if she gives a fuck shall we

Oh we can't

How unfortunate. *eye roll*

Carry on

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...wat

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Ivany2008 posted...

I mean, Michael Clarke Duncan played an incredible version of the Kingpin, right up there with the 94 animated Kingpin.

MCD is an absurdly good actor. He was incredible in the Green Mile.

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Is her whiteness a key part of the character's narrative?

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Is her whiteness a key part of the character's narrative?

Would a medieval European king ever marry a black woman?

PokemonYoutube posted...

Would a medieval European king ever marry a black woman?

Is the material in question going to address racism in medieval Europe?

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Bruh whytf do yall care

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Like who here was actually gonna watch this shit? Yall just love to complain about asinine shit

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Grogu posted...

Dude she died 500 years ago. Who cares what she really looked like?

Hence the "I don't really care" in my post.

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I'd complain and act like ill watch it. Or should I defend it and still not watch it?

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Well Europeans play Egyptian Kings and Queens all the time and they are Black. It's all fair in acting and theatre

2Pacavelli posted...

Well Europeans play Egyptian Kings and Queens all the time and they are Black.

[citation needed]


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2Pacavelli posted...

Well Europeans play Egyptian Kings and Queens all the time and they are Black. It's all fair in acting and theatre

Egyptians aren't black.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Egyptian_hypothesis

Anyway, it sounds like this is an unconventional take on the story, so all bets are off on what it will actually be.

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ancient egyptians most likely looked like modern Arabs

Zikten posted...

ancient egyptians most likely looked like modern Arabs

It doesn't matter what they looked like per se. Ancient records kept a distinction between them whether Semitic (Mizraim vs Kush; I know Hebrew but Akkadian and Aramaic used similar terms) or Greek (Egypt vs. Ethiopia). They even did it themselves

I would actually say they were pretty good as to knowing who was who even for related but distinct peoples: Assyrians vs. Babylonians vs. Arameans, until the Arameans assimilated with Assyria and Medes vs. Persians. Even Judeans compared to their surrounding cousins

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Yeah, its silly casting. Maybe they couldve chosen a different subject than the ever loving Tudors, who get covered ad infinitum.

And whitewashing a cast is silly as well. Hollywood isnt a good thing most of the time.

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The Ancient Egyptians were Black even scientists admit

https://youtu.be/UZGk0FIKaQ8

They left plenty of artwork of themselves clearly showing what they looked like. It's clear they were Black people. Even if they did have other mixed groups of people living amongst them

2Pacavelli posted...

They left plenty of artwork of themselves clearly showing what they looked like. It's clear they were Black people. Even if they did have other mixed groups of people living amongst them

do you think Cleopatra was black?

2Pacavelli posted...

The Ancient Egyptians were Black even scientists admit

https://youtu.be/UZGk0FIKaQ8

I bet those are the same kinds of "scientists" that think black people are secretly behind the invention of electricity or the internet or some other shit.

2Pacavelli posted...

They left plenty of artwork of themselves clearly showing what they looked like. It's clear they were Black people. Even if they did have other mixed groups of people living amongst them

Or they were a different group of people altogether with just a few black people mixed in.

Zikten posted...

do you think Cleopatra was black?

I know she was of Macedonian lineage and reigned during the foreign Ptolemic dynasty and is mostly irrelevant to the majority of Egyptian history.

Whether she may have been mixed or not with the Native Black Egyptians I dont have any knowledge of

PokemonYoutube posted...

I bet those are the same kinds of "scientists" that think black people are secretly behind the invention of electricity or the internet or some other shit.

The scientists that did the test were of European heritage. The claim you just made has no basis in reality

PokemonYoutube posted...

Or they were a different group of people altogether with just a few black people mixed in.

Archaeological evidence shows that the Egyptian civilization has its origins towards the south. "Upper Egypt" region. Which is an area thats of Indigenous Black African lineage.

2Pacavelli posted...

The scientists that did the test were of European heritage. The claim you just made has no basis in reality

Archaeological evidence shows that the Egyptian civilization has its origins towards the south. "Upper Egypt" region. Which is an area thats of Indigenous Black African lineage.

Youre arguing with a user who is regularly suspended for explicit Islamophobia and high key racist shitposting.


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2Pacavelli posted...

The scientists that did the test were of European heritage. The claim you just made has no basis in reality

I didn't say anything about what ethnicity these "scientists" are.

FursonaNonGrata posted...

Youre arguing with a user who is regularly suspended for explicit Islamophobia and high key racist shitposting.

And you're defending a user who regularly advocates for the US relinquishing all former slave states to make a new nation for black people.

2Pacavelli posted...

They left plenty of artwork of themselves clearly showing what they looked like. It's clear they were Black people. Even if they did have other mixed groups of people living amongst them

Swarthy, but not black. The Assyrians had tans too. Esarharddon knew the different after he conquered Egypt-Kush and pushed the Ethiopians south of the Sahara

Isaiah made the distinction as well. Jeremiah didn't ask if Egyptians could change their skin color

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some ancient egyptians were black but the majority were north african/middle eastern. its very possible the first egyptians in upper egypt were black, but by the time they united with lower egypt they would have become mixed and mostly middle eastern in origin. there's a reason why modern egyptians fit the closest genetic match to ancient egyptians, and not sudanese or ethiopians or other black groups in the area

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For me I just view it as entertainment. I'm sure if you take a closer examination you'll find that these "historical" shows get a lot wrong for the era. I can see why people would be bothered but it's just entertainment. I recall a similar scenario when they had a black lady play the Macedonian queen of Egypt, Cleopatra.

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PokemonYoutube posted...

And you're defending a user who regularly advocates for the US relinquishing all former slave states to make a new nation for black people.

I think descendants of slaves should be given a choice in whether they want to build their own land or territory. Since they've never been given that choice or opportunity and were brought here against their will. Those who want to stay should be free to do so. I dont think most people see that as unreasonable. Even Native Americans have some form of sovereignty and some land. Tribal courts and independent justice systems. (Even though they deserve a lot more as well, and there are a many problems they face in America also.)

Basically Black Americans who descend from American slavery, should be given the opportunity to build a land of their own, especially since the American government and police forces continue to treat them with hostility

Dathrowed1 posted...

Swarthy, but not black. The Assyrians had tans too. Esarharddon knew the different after he conquered Egypt-Kush and pushed the Ethiopians south of the Sahara

Isaiah made the distinction as well. Jeremiah didn't ask if Egyptians could change their skin color

The Egyptians called people of those nations the "Hyskos" which means invaders from foreign lands. Most Egyptian artwork they dont show themselves as simply tan, but as Dark Brown or Black like the average African person. Mentuhotep II for example is a Black man from Waset. He was the person who started the Middle Kingdom of Egypt.

There's also a lot of common and shared cultural practices between the Egyptians and other African kingdoms and civilizations going back to Ancient times al the way to to today.

Wearing the feather of Maat is one example of a practice that some Black African tribes (Pokot Tribe) continue today. Tribes like the Beja also continue Egyptian tradition by using cowfat in their hair to style that's another example. And the clothing styles and other artifacts show similarities as well. The use of Egyptian style headrests are also shown all over Africa.

https://youtu.be/oL_KS6pQxe4

This video shows some other anthropological and cultural comparisons

ThyCorndog posted...

some ancient egyptians were black but the majority were north african/middle eastern. its very possible the first egyptians in upper egypt were black, but by the time they united with lower egypt they would have become mixed and mostly middle eastern in origin. there's a reason why modern egyptians fit the closest genetic match to ancient egyptians, and not sudanese or ethiopians or other black groups in the area

The DNA test you're referencing came from a small area in Fayoum within a small period of time late in Egypts history (New Kingdom to Roman Era). It's like taking a sample of a single ethnic neighborhood in America and using it as a representative of the entire USA. In this case it's using subjects from a small region in a period of time where invasion and migration was common and using it to represent a 3000+ year old civilization that had been for existence for millennia prior. If you did that even within the USA you'll get an inaccurate picture of what the country is like.

When you widen the sample size and choose mummies of different time periods, especially older time periods. Ands ones from further south, you get more DNA of Black African origin in the results