Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion

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Drakeryn posted...

It's a little weird to see my preference rank so high, considering that Delita was the only character I liked in the top nine. (rip Emet/Yuffie/Tidus/Red) But I guess getting Delita's rank exactly right helped.

Has there ever been a big Sephiroth push? He seems iconic and easy to unite around but I feel like he always does badly.

Woooooooooow... >__> <__<
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Drakeryn posted...

Has there ever been a big Sephiroth push? He seems iconic and easy to unite around but I feel like he always does badly.

He apparently finished third the Steiner year


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That one time Steiner won... wonder if there was a big push for someone else.
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Drakeryn posted...

>:|

Probably for the best for Squall, I meant!

Looks at the results, the contest can only handle keeping 1 FF8 character afloat, a Seifer run could've interfered!!!

i know Martin wants to push Seph but i don't like him quite enough to support over Kefka. Ramza... if Chris is in, i'd have to think about it, at least. but i really wanted Kefka to win and THEN go for a Ramza win after that. he really should have won this year.

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MartinFF7 posted...

Probably for the best for Squall, I meant!

Looks at the results, the contest can only handle keeping 1 FF8 character afloat, a Seifer run could've interfered!!!

Pushing more than one FFVIII character is indeed difficult

That one time we got Irvine to top 20 was a minor miracle

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And I feel like there were multiple years multiple people swore they were in on Ramza and then he finished 80th

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Leonhart4 posted...

And I feel like there were multiple years multiple people swore they were in on Ramza and then he finished 80th

As long as I'm around he's probably not finishing below like, 40th

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GenesisSaga posted...

Woooooooooow... >__> <__<

v_charon posted...

That one time Steiner won... wonder if there was a big push for someone else.

sorry!

steiner is the only thing I remember about that year :(
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Leonhart4 posted...

And I feel like there were multiple years multiple people swore they were in on Ramza and then he finished 80th

Ha, I said this about Selphie yesterday

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Hey now Selphie has multiple top tens!

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Drakeryn posted...

sorry!

steiner is the only thing I remember about that year :(

It didn't really matter who else got a push that year anyway because it was obvious Steiner was winning like halfway through the contest

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I got Ramza the one top ten as the only backer

Imagine if there's like, two or three!

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Who's in for a Tidus push next year

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I probably would've saved Ramza over Squall in the finals

omnia boost can't help Squall against Ramza's beauty............ tho geez Ramza's in Omnia too but he has no presence, Omnia really does hate Tactics <_<

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i remembered Seph getting third once but i did not remember it was the year Steiner won. actually now that i check Squall got 4th that year so i might not have been supporting him, even. i'm guessing i would have split my support between them.

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Where are all the other YRP peeps, we need to get a buzz going for next year before people commit to Tidus or Ramzan runs

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I wonder who's gonna be next year's FFCCTCBTM viewer

can't get Belle in with Martin while I'm still soloing Bearers!

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Mobilezoid posted...

Where are all the other YRP peeps, we need to get a buzz going for next year before people commit to Tidus or Ramzan runs

Oh are we doing Yuffie Ramza and Palmer

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Every time GMUN mentions Belle my heart blooms. She really is so great! People should watch FFCCTCBTM!!!

btw you should check andy's topic, you might like how the poll is looking, I guess the stuffer got to it, lol.

Maybe andy is the missing piece of the puzzle...

Xuxon posted...

i know Martin wants to push Seph but i don't like him quite enough to support over Kefka.

A very unenthusiastic push! Really just hoping there's something I still want to support when he's eliminated, the goal for him is just top 20, though that was the Tifa goal at the outset too...

Get the Kefka win next year, then we recreate the Tifa run ;(

MartinFF7 posted...

The dream is still cross-platform Remake boosting the performance.

Again, everyone is completely disconnected. FF7 can always dominate stats because you have 2 or more people on each character, completely siloed. You can look at any character elimination and see how the backers didn't stay "within the series", there's very few users like that. The best opportunity for consolidation was Aerith, because you could see that literally every one of her backers went to a non-7 character.

So....... Justice for Aerith?

I still say & believe that Sephiroth was a remake deboost.

I feel obligated to main him next year but I'm not feeling too enthused about it. I'll replay Crisis Core beforehand, I guess.

I just can't see an FF7 character winning and I don't know how it happened in XIX, MWC you have to explain how you guys pulled that off, considering best 7 placements the past 3 years: 4th, 6th, 4th... definitely can't see Sephiroth winning, though he did get 3rd in recent history? I guess anything's possible.

Anyways, this reminds me of something else I wanted to post about in the results topic: what I posted in last year's results topic, when we were talking about our hopes or dreams for next year.



The Squall run worked out, Seifer was a non-entity (probably for the best), we got the deep Garnet run I was hoping for, top 5 Seymour... lots of nice stories this year. Kefka ran into an unfortunate end... Tifa backed up her look with really astounding character development & battle prowess beyond what I ever expected, and was close but no cigar.

And yeah, Sephiroth, fuck. Every year I've been here it's been one misfortune after another with him. Maybe next year.

Anyone want to make any hot takes for next year so they can claim credit?
Now that Squall got a win, can people really coalesce behind Kefka?
Are we really going to get a Selphie redemption run?
Will YRP actually really be a force?
Are we ready for "Yes, rich

Like you pointed out, once you have multiple people saving you are gonna get far. So Chris watching out, and Steiner being an early saver every time as well with Chris and I made it so we had a strong core, so I could legit go and do my plan I had suggested for years but no one else really ran with because of the thought it wouldnt work, and that was going backwards from day 98 and such one day at a time getting multiple Cloud votes in the future for NRs. As much as I needed Chriss help I truly truly needed Steiner just as much, there were days in the top 10 that those extra votes from months ago saved Cloud, the reason I needed Steiner is because Steiner was able to make sure that Cloud was well and truly safe every day usually without my help so that I could use my second and third hours to accrue future value. I believe Steiner also had the Leon trade that year, so that was a guaranteed hour 2 start save for Cloud everytime. Huge huge gain. All time Chris is the protagonist of this contest, and for good reason, Chris was just as instrumental, he knew when to start and stop trading with the right and wrong people, he knew when to let projects go for the greater good, certainly a friendly calming force as well. You may have noticed I can be obnoxious and abrasive on occasions, Chris always knew how to buy have me say something stupid, and when I did he would assure everyone just me getting excited, everything is fine, and even when I made mistakes on timing for trades or saved the wrong person on accident, Chris was able to quickly make something happen with someone else so they wouldnt hate me. It was a team effort and a perfect storm, and it was awesome that I was able to do my part to help Steiner get his Cloud win, and Chris get whatever he wanted out of it. He didnt have to help, I dont even know if he likes Cloud a ton, I know Chris hated me a long time, maybe he just did it out of the goodness of his heart, or because I was dumb enough to sacrifice real money for it. I honestly dont know, I also dont care. He was instrumental in our victory whatever the reason. It was probably the most fun I ever had on the board, Ill never forget it. Great memories.

so my advice to you would be you cant save everybody. It was heartbreaking losing Barret and such right around the 20s and I could have saved him, but it was more important to keep Cloud saver in the future. You want to be visible but not obnoxious, Steiner and Chris were both great at being forces which got eliminated characters to come to the Cloud train, while not begging everytime someone dropped, having a character that is everyones third or fourth favorite instead of like 5 peoples overall favorite is a god send. As previously said many times, a few dedicated savers is top 20, if as people drop you have someone that virtually everyone likes but not loves, that will be awesome for you. Cloud is that, hes not everyones favorite FF character, but he is well liked overall, not many just down right hate him, and sadly, you gotta be lucky. Maybe Aeris does it this time, she was similar to Cloud like I said earlier, just getting stronger as people went out, I know I missed either round of 7 or round of 8 cause I was banned, and Cloud was on the chopping block, and out of nowhere we got 2 saves that werent trades or anything, just a person or two that hadnt saved him at all that contest keeping him alive. That doesnt happen, Cloud doesnt win, we arent having this convo right now. Sheer luck, you gotta have a bit of fairy dust to win. Look at Vincent. The conglomerate we had with Vincent actually had more mains, just had terrible terrible luck in the round of 4 or 6, and that was all she wrote. Best of luck, you can do it.

yes..... the stuffer....

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Xuxon posted...

i know Martin wants to push Seph but i don't like him quite enough to support over Kefka. Ramza... if Chris is in, i'd have to think about it, at least. but i really wanted Kefka to win and THEN go for a Ramza win after that. he really should have won this year.

Get Chris in for Ramza and I am so on board with this one.

But we could trade Ramza and Seph for each other, should guarantee both top 20 and then we go with whoever is stronger at that time.

1 No, yes. They arent FF characters.
2 No strong preference.
3 No warning of start times, no Discord pings for full chaos.

Squall winning was not what I was expecting from this contest since FF8 support has plummeted in recent years, but its good to finally get him a well deserved win! Nice job keeping him going for so long, pj.

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Rapunzel wins Disney the year I ragequit the board.

Squall wins FF the year I don't participate until the finals.

Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

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Ok, last round of stats for the day on the subject of new entrants & re-entrants, this was the final tally for this year's 25, relative to each of the past two contests. Started badly compared to last year, equalized past the midway point, and then pretty well fell apart after the top 25. Of course it's tough to compete with two straight years of 2nd and 3rd place.

New characters did dominate, as Emet-Selch's 12th place did top Goffard's 13th and X-ATM's 41st finishes for best placement of a brand new contest character; Judgemaster Cid and Dark Nation putting 3 newbies in the top 20 and 6 in the top 40, which really puts X-ATM092 to shame...

Also can't really do comparisons next year if we have a class of 28 instead of 25... but maybe we will anyways!



And a reminder for next year, in case you want to get those predictive juices flowing:

Last year's hard boots:

86. Adelle
87. Snow Villiers
88. Balthier
89. Chocolina
90. Isaaru
91. Wakka
92. Selphie Tilmitt
93. Noctis Lucis Caelum
94. Umaro
95. Yuna
96. Cyan Garamonde
97. Chocobo
98. Cindy Aurum
99. Hope Estheim
100. Fran

This year's soft boots:

76. Seifer Almasy
77. Gaius van Baelsar
78. Larsa Ferrinas Solidor
79. Terra Branford
80. Sephiroth
81. Reno
82. Laguna Loire
83. Edward Chris von Muir
84. Vincent Valentine
85. Cidolfus Orlandeau

And lastly (and really unrelated to the above but might as well throw this here too), the series dominance stats returned from a previous bonus stats day, now with:

• The "largest representation" corrected for contest XIII (treating TA separate from T)
• This contest's numbers being filled in (FF7 having the strongest series representation outside the top 10 ever, besting a 4/11 shared by FF6 in contests III and VI and FF9 in contest VII, yay...), and
• Games now colour-coordinated. No colour for ties... I'm not dealing with colour gradients here.

.... ok all I have left are "Martin's Top 7 Regrets of SMFFFC XXII" and compatibility stats... maybe I'll skip the former and go right to the latter, tomorrow...

I mean if you really want to keep it at 25 noms you can just count Edea/Tiz/Agnes as three of this year's hardboots and adjust accordingly.

I'm against removing them from STATS though. People worked and put in effort for those STATS.

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Oh yeah they should definitely stay in STATS.
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How many can we nominate for the bracket?

I don't know how stats work (it's all mumbo jumbo number magic done by magic men as far as I can tell) but would removing the BD characters impact the stats of other characters at all?

I'm against removing them from the stats too no matter the answer, I'm just curious
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If you were go totally in-depth and remove them from history entirely, I think it would make small adjustments. Because it'd be like lowering the field from 100 to 97 or whatever, which affects the percentages to a small degree. I think. Would surely be mostly inconsequential, but some character groupings are really neck and neck and the smallest change could make shifts in the rankings. I think.

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Get rid of BD characters.

Chris you still owe me a FF1 alliance.
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LiquidOshawott posted...

I will say that the biggest reason I pulled the trigger on Delitas megapush was because Aerith, my backup at the time, was lawyered.

so who knows

i really considered staying up that day as well

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v_charon posted...

It's kinda sad so many people are interested in pre-announced, scheduled, scripted rounds. It makes it all very, very boring. You can see all the results coming from miles away that way. I really miss the old way when no one was safe any given day. For fans of less popular characters, it's a treat to see behemoths sometimes get surprised.

in regards to this, i'll say the current round times are a complete dice roll to me and others in europe so it would be nice if there were occasionally round times that inconvenienced other people too

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FBike1 posted...

, so while having 2AM weekday rounds would increase the unpredictability of the contest, it wouldn't be as fun.

hahaha

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I get that Aeris was screwed, but people talking about a harder VII push next year when it had like a third of the field left at top 20 this time... I'd only get behind a VII if they consolidated around one person earlier and didn't flood the field like that. Also never Seph for me sorry Martin!

MZero posted...

Who's in for a Tidus push next year

Yes! Time to get him into the top 10 overall stats again!

Grimlyn posted...

yes..... the stuffer....

*drops Crystal Bearers to the bottom of my list*

With Squall no longer overdue I wonder where the VIII vote will go. Will it stay with Squall, go to someone else or just disappear entirely? My current next year plan is to main Rinoa, help Tidus obviously and presumably switch to Yuna after my other mains die assuming she has enough YRP backers to get through to the top end. But I also plan to play a bunch more FF games between now and then so I could well have a whole bunch of new favs I want to save! Best not to make plans this early I suppose, maybe I'll be a diehard Layle man next year.

Also I have nothing to add to them but I am enjoying Martin's stats!

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So now what

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Nanis23 posted...

So now what

get some sleep and take a shower

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MartinFF7 posted...

1. No, remove from contest
2. Indifferent
3. Designated round start times and/or start windows, limit on lateness for round starts to respect Europeans, planned & communicated days off ahead of time, no doubles

Shaduln posted...

Get rid of BD characters.

Chris you still owe me a FF1 alliance.

Oh sure guess we are doing this

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Nice who all do we want to push other than (I assume) RM and Garland
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Have your goal be to have as many FF1 characters in the top 20 as there were FF7 characters in the top 20 this year

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Black Mage, Fighter, Thief

We need more allies tbh

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1. Don't care.
2. Don't care.
3. enact chaos, with all rounds times determined by random.org. also random number of rounds each day. including multiple rounds running at the same time, if fate decrees it (both rounds would have all characters, but once the first one ends, the eliminated character is completely ignored in the second round. even if the second round finishes first).
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Grimlyn posted...

yes..... the stuffer....

???

X_Dante_X posted...

3. enact chaos, with all rounds times determined by random.org. also random number of rounds each day. including multiple rounds running at the same time, if fate decrees it (both rounds would have all characters, but once the first one ends, the eliminated character is completely ignored in the second round. even if the second round finishes first).

bisonyes.gif

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MZero posted...

get some sleep and take a shower

Haha yes, I was actually able to sleep yesterday evening without fear
I no longer need to rush showers
I can..live

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MartinFF7 posted...

And conversely, the combined worst over the past two years was VengefulKaelee; she didn't have the "least preferred" final in either year but collectively, the score of 23.5 (when the maximum possible worst two-year score is 29) is just... really rough. Of the 4 finalists in the last 2 years, not one of them was ranked outside the double digits. Maybe next year's the year!!

Oof

Just want to let anyone who cares know I'm back and recovering. Still won't be able to use the hand for about eight weeks but I'll know more when I go back on Tuesday.

Squall's a good winner, but this was Delita's one shot I think. Ah well.

I'll read through the rest of the topics later

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