Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion

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th3l3fty
10/22/20 7:11:32 AM
#403:


new rule: if you nominate Terra, one of your other nominations is randomly removed at the end
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RaidenGarai
10/22/20 7:13:08 AM
#404:


What if all of my nominations are Terra?

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Leonhart4
10/22/20 7:59:09 AM
#405:


Eddv posted...
Not my fault. Squall is the wet blanket on anything actually fun or interesting that tries to happen in his game.

Ah, so you see yourself in Squall and you don't like what you see.

It's starting to make sense now.

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 8:23:21 AM
#406:


Steiner posted...
all of sephiroth, seifer and reno free to nominate, lets go baybee

Can Reno get out of boots? Or will he cement his 'soft boot king' status by adding another one to his tally? Exciting times...

Nanis23 posted...
Hey Martin, I am glad to be a best match with people
But what does that mean
Sorry for being dumb

No worries. Every user's list is compared against every other user's list, and by compared I mean their character ranks are subtracted against one another. So if you have Garnet #1 and I have her #6, we have a difference of 5 for her. This comparison gets done for all 15 characters. Then the "standard deviation" is taken on all 15 of the character difference numbers (as I mentioned before, not even sure this is the right formula to use in this case but whatever, that's how it was done) to arrive at a single number.

So when you're the "best match" for a user that means, out of the other 45 participants excluding themself, your list produced the lowest standard deviation when compared against their list, hence, best match.

I don't know what it means. i like to think it means you have a good list!
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MartinFF7
10/22/20 8:46:40 AM
#407:


Also, Matoya should get in next year after the tiebreaker close calls the past couple of years...

VeryInsane posted...
oh martin what was your rank

I don't think I saw you post it

Yeah I didn't, but might as well.

Tifa
Aerith
Barret
Squall
Kefka
Garnet
Seymour
Delita
Celes
Tidus
Cecil
Emet-Selch
Yuffie
Red XIII
Edea

Clear top 3 FF7, then Squall through Delita is my "characters I like" tier, then Celes through Emet-Selch is my "indifference" tier, then we have the bottom 3.

Bonus Martin list: preference ranking the 18 FF7 characters from this contest (subject to whims of change at any moment but I think this is how it presently is...)

Tifa Lockhart
Jessie Rasberry
Aerith Gainsborough
Cissnei
Sephiroth
Cloud Strife
Barret Wallace
Cid Highwind
Vincent Valentine
Reno
Zack Fair
Elena
Rufus Shinra
Cait Sith
Genesis Rhapsodos
Dark Nation
Red XIII
Yuffie Kisaragi

Congrats to Red XIII for jumping above Yuffie in my contest-saving opinion.

Despite all the mistakes and regrets I had this contest - accidentally saving Cid P instead of Cid H, purposefully saving Penelo instead of Cissnei, not holding on Day 11 where if I did Zidane would've likely been hard booted, having to choose between Tifa and Sephiroth Day 21 and choosing wrong (or just not holding a bit longer to see if one or the other got a save) - my biggest regret is not saving Vincent over Yuffie on Day 17.

Rather than choosing the obviously better character, even if he'd probably just be eliminated the very next day, I went with the character that had a "better chance" to go deeper in the contest. And she sure did.

But there are so many better FF7 characters that deserve to make deep runs and it's always disappointing that she's the top FF7 character, at least stats-wise. Always the one that endures, "teflon Yuffie". Every round she was hanging around was just that much more frustrating, at a time when Tifa was barely scraping by and Aerith got lawyered, there was Yuffie surviving, again. It was really starting to bother me, at least she didn't make the top 10.

I saved her plenty last year but after this year she just dropped like a rock completely for me. I'm sure she'll get right back to the top 20 next year too, at the expense of better characters, and it'll still be disappointing.

In any case, lesson learned: don't do the snipe if you can't handle the consequences.
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Arti
10/22/20 9:37:36 AM
#408:


I'll be sure to keep saving Yuffie instead of other FFVII characters

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Nanis23
10/22/20 9:43:47 AM
#409:


MartinFF7 posted...
No worries. Every user's list is compared against every other user's list, and by compared I mean their character ranks are subtracted against one another. So if you have Garnet #1 and I have her #6, we have a difference of 5 for her. This comparison gets done for all 15 characters. Then the "standard deviation" is taken on all 15 of the character difference numbers (as I mentioned before, not even sure this is the right formula to use in this case but whatever, that's how it was done) to arrive at a single number.

So when you're the "best match" for a user that means, out of the other 45 participants excluding themself, your list produced the lowest standard deviation when compared against their list, hence, best match.

I don't know what it means. i like to think it means you have a good list!
I see, thank you

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 9:59:24 AM
#410:


Arti posted...
I'll be sure to keep saving Yuffie instead of other FFVII characters


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The Mana Sword
10/22/20 10:08:39 AM
#411:


Arti posted...
I'll be sure to keep saving Yuffie instead of other FFVII characters


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MartinFF7
10/22/20 10:10:19 AM
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Nanis23
10/22/20 10:11:22 AM
#413:


Don't worry Martin, I won't save Yuffie

She is always the "kill" in my "Marry Fuck Kill" "Aerith Tifa Yuffie" triangle

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 10:18:12 AM
#414:


We need more Jessie saving tbh.

If Suprak and Lea are indeed her mains next year that should put her in a better spot than this year!

Maybe can also convince swordz to main Jessie too, instead...

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Nanis23
10/22/20 10:19:26 AM
#415:


Jessie strength will only come from Remake imo
She is a non-character in the original

But of course people like to save non-characters here anyway so who knows

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th3l3fty
10/22/20 10:33:47 AM
#416:


better to save non-characters than bad ones like so many others
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Steiner
10/22/20 10:35:10 AM
#417:


MartinFF7 posted...
We need more Jessie saving tbh.

If Suprak and Lea are indeed her mains next year that should put her in a better spot than this year!

Maybe can also convince swordz to main Jessie too, instead...

I like remake Jessie a LOT, if Aerith wasn't so great Jessie would have been someone I considered. But I will be prioritising Aerith and Sephiroth going forward

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 10:46:06 AM
#418:


Next year, Steiner... a Sephiroth/Aerith dual run would have great meme potential and be the next best thing to a Tifa/Aerith final.

Let's make Eddv suffer, lol
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Leonhart4
10/22/20 11:05:37 AM
#419:


Jessie is good in the original too imhotbqh

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andylt
10/22/20 11:41:17 AM
#420:


MartinFF7 posted...
Rather than choosing the obviously better character, even if he'd probably just be eliminated the very next day, I went with the character that had a "better chance" to go deeper in the contest. And she sure did.

In any case, lesson learned: don't do the snipe if you can't handle the consequences.

Picking a character you don't like because they can go further than one you do like is some intense level of commitment to FF7's success!

Weirdly the only snipe I kinda regretted was Layle, as Kain wasn't doing much anyway and Layle was fun to have around. I have found that I enjoy getting rid of the bigger characters like Kefka/Zidane.

If we're doing gut FF7 rankings-
Aerith Gainsborough
Cloud Strife
Tifa Lockhart
Red XIII
Zack Fair
Barret Wallace
Cait Sith
Elena
Rufus Shinra
Reno
Vincent Valentine
Yuffie Kisaragi
Cid Highwind
Jessie Rasberry
a literal dog
Sephiroth

idk Ciss/Genesis


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Suprak the Stud
10/22/20 11:43:00 AM
#421:


Aerith is also a great choice so I cant really be mad with anyone maining her.

FF7R just has a great cast overall.

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Leonhart4
10/22/20 11:47:26 AM
#422:


The natural transition for the championship is to go from Leonhart to Lockhart

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Hbthebattle
10/22/20 11:53:18 AM
#423:


The Natural transition is to go Leonhart to Leon from FF2

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Leonhart4
10/22/20 11:54:37 AM
#424:


The transition would've been from Leon to Leonhart but we skipped that step.

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andylt
10/22/20 11:55:54 AM
#425:


The obvious transition is from Squall to Rinoa, come on now.

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GuessMyUserName
10/22/20 11:57:25 AM
#426:


https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lion

(yes she's in Omnia)

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Hbthebattle
10/22/20 11:58:30 AM
#427:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lion

(yes she's in Omnia)
"pirate leader of Norg"
oh no

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 12:11:56 PM
#429:


Hbthebattle posted...
"pirate leader of Norg"
oh no

Lion will not go down so easily ( )

Leonhart4 posted...
The natural transition for the championship is to go from Leonhart to Lockhart

This guy! Now you really do need to come back!!!

Team FFWA, lol
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Quitbanningme
10/22/20 12:34:01 PM
#430:


tennisboy213 posted...
for those asking you get 6 noms one of which is double

and I uh predict Terra makes it back in


You are the best dude. Thx.
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Leonhart4
10/22/20 12:34:48 PM
#431:


I'm down for SRT in 2021

Ramza and Tifa are the two big champs I'd still like to see. That would give me my entire personal top ten as champs

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Quitbanningme
10/22/20 12:37:38 PM
#432:


MartinFF7 posted...
Next year, Steiner... a Sephiroth/Aerith dual run would have great meme potential and be the next best thing to a Tifa/Aerith final.

Let's make Eddv suffer, lol


If you get people on board, I will back this up, hard.
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mnkboy907
10/22/20 2:02:56 PM
#433:


th3l3fty posted...
new rule: if you nominate Terra, one of your other nominations is randomly removed at the end

But this just makes it even easier for her to get in!

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Eddv
10/22/20 3:34:17 PM
#434:


Pirates? Faris says yes

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th3l3fty
10/22/20 3:46:50 PM
#435:


mnkboy907 posted...
But this just makes it even easier for her to get in!

would YOU be willing to trade for Terra if your preferred character could be randomly removed and miss out because of it? or worse, the nom you traded for?

I sure wouldn't
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X_Dante_X
10/22/20 3:50:41 PM
#436:


lets expand that rule to any ff6 nom
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Grimlyn
10/22/20 3:54:27 PM
#437:


th3l3fty posted...
would YOU be willing to trade for Terra if your preferred character could be randomly removed and miss out because of it? or worse, the nom you traded for?

I sure wouldn't
yeah but you could just cut that sentence off after "would YOU be willing to trade for Terra" and give the same answer

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th3l3fty
10/22/20 4:00:16 PM
#438:


I mean, I haven't made a single nomination since I took over

so... fair
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PlasmaKappa
10/22/20 4:30:27 PM
#439:


personally I'm nomming Alisaie and probably Gaius again but who knows

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MartinFF7
10/22/20 4:44:05 PM
#440:


Quitbanningme posted...
If you get people on board, I will back this up, hard.

I like to think the Aerith crew would reassemble... Sephiroth is more of a question mark.

Thanks for answering my question about Cloud's win btw. Hoovering up future-dated NRs... that sounds nice.
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LeonhartFour
10/22/20 4:50:24 PM
#441:


the fact that Cloud somehow won despite MWC's wonky tactics (he's the reason why the "no buying/selling saves" rule exists) is pretty remarkable

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The Mana Sword
10/22/20 4:53:40 PM
#442:


PlasmaKappa posted...
personally I'm nomming Alisaie and probably Gaius again but who knows

graha tia imo

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Grimlyn
10/22/20 4:55:38 PM
#443:


y'know with all the different games she's been in now repping XI, Shantotto really does deserve to come in

I'm too lazy to make this statement rhyme

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KommunistKoala
10/22/20 5:05:48 PM
#444:


hopefully i can get through stormblood and shadowbringers by the next smfffc

if i can just not be lazy

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Nanis23
10/22/20 5:11:41 PM
#445:


The contest is not really over until the results topic reach 500

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Nanis23
10/22/20 5:13:01 PM
#446:


Anyway I will probably not remember this until next year but
My nominations will probably be Terra (she deserves to be back) Strago (a main playable character that never made it in?!) and Queen Brahne - just for the lulz (will probably not save her ever)

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Quitbanningme
10/22/20 5:22:16 PM
#447:


LeonhartFour posted...
the fact that Cloud somehow won despite MWC's wonky tactics (he's the reason why the "no buying/selling saves" rule exists) is pretty remarkable


Ill always have a soft spot for Leon for saving me 10,000 dollars.

winning for cash would have been nice, winning clean.... amazing.

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PlasmaKappa
10/22/20 6:14:07 PM
#448:


The Mana Sword posted...
graha tia imo

sure, him too

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Drakeryn
10/22/20 6:21:55 PM
#449:


The Mana Sword posted...
graha tia imo

I'm in
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andylt
10/22/20 6:27:50 PM
#450:


If there is ever a Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Location Name contest, I nominate Sweegy Woods.

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th3l3fty
10/23/20 10:24:47 AM
#451:


one last thing before we go - the full STATS and newSTATS lists for your convenience

overall: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198537101086556160/769203950150615060/unknown.png
new: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198537101086556160/769203124899414096/unknown.png
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pjbasis
10/23/20 10:34:29 AM
#452:


That 94.34 is the highest anyone's ever gonna have in newstats, barring some really strong newcomer.

Lightning shouldn't be too hard to stay ahead of if she never gets another champ push, which ironically means Cecil is the one to worry about! Can't be letting him keep pushing top 15 every year. Gonna have to nip that in the bud and let him win pretty soon.

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