Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 329: There's No Debate

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Like I'm looking at your home state of Pennsylvania, and the unadjusted version had Clinton at 46.3% and the "skewed" version had her at 46.5%. She ended up with 47.5% of the vote.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Like I'm looking at your home state of Pennsylvania, and the unadjusted version had Clinton at 46.3% and the "skewed" version had her at 46.5%. She ended up with 47.5% of the vote.

Either I am woefully misremembering everything and we argued a vast space of nothingness in 2016 or his skews are changed from what they were in 2016.

His skews are stating it skewed in favor of Trump by a full %, and I do not remember that being even in the stratosphere of accurate for then.

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https://twitter.com/zackkopplin/status/1316915194862370816?s=21
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Corrik7 posted...

I honestly don't get the retweet argument either.

You don't have to be retweeting something because you agree with it.

This is the President putting it on a feed that he has declared to be official communication from his office. It's not the same as a random person sharing on facebook.

Though if I saw a share on Facebook with no additional comment I would also default to thinking they agree unless I have reason to think otherwise.

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Yeah if you share something with zero comment, the implication is that you are sharing it in good faith

Like when you share an article here, I take it to mean that you think its something of value, unless you add an lol or something to the post
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And even then when you declare that every tweet you make from your personal account is an "official presidential statement" you are very specifically endorsing the things that you retweet.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And even then when you declare that every tweet you make from your personal account is an "official presidential statement" you are very specifically endorsing the things that you retweet.

Sometimes people will add to their profile something like "retweets are not endorsements".

And then they'll retweet stuff that they obviously disagree with. Like women who get a lot of hate on twitter who retweet some of the nasty hate they are getting in their replies.

But uhh...none of that applies to Trump retweeting QAnon. If Trump retweeted a video where TYT got really heated, everyone would assume that he wasn't endorsing TYT and instead making fun of how angry they were. But QAnon supports him, so Trump retweeting QAnon just looks like endorsement.

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https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1317125624394375171?s=21

Biden crushed Trump in the early numbers. Of course these means absolutely nothing when it comes to votes, but knowing how much Trump himself cares about numbers makes this pretty sweet.

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I think it really is pretty damning for Trump

Youd assume hed win just because hes a train wreck, but if people are even losing interest in paying attention to him, well...
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Holy Shit. I would have bet money on Trump crushing Biden in ratings.

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Yeah, I'm surprised by that. I figured people tuning in for the trainwreck would give him the ratings edge.

And you just know that the whole "airing it at the exact same time as Biden" was 100% a demand from the Trump campaign for exactly the reason of trying to make it a ratings battle because the idea of "dueling townhalls" is journalistic malpractice (okay i guess that doesn't completely clear nbc they could be that terrible) so to lose that badly on ratings - which is 100% what Trump cares about most - is LOL.

but he'll just claim fake ratings or he'll lie and say digital numbers somehow have him winning big.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/grylxndr/status/1316838896479674370?s=21

I agree Feinstein has to go, but I also understand why people won't just endorse her opponent. Feinstein has more political capital, even though she has worse ideas. That she's probably going to win anyway means you probably don't want to get on her bad side. It's why so few people were willing to endorse AOC in 2018 (With even Ro Khana, who endorsed against Feinstein, endorsing Crowley and later adding AOC after his base was VERY upset about that)

Hopefully AOC builds a lot of political capital, along with other progressives, so that in the future we replace the establishment with something better.

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JonThePenguin posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1317044556328730625?s=21

this is probably the best moment of the whole campaign, incredible

works great alongside this moment from last night's town hall

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1317105516175368192

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xp1337 posted...

but he'll just claim fake ratings or he'll lie and say digital numbers somehow have him winning big.

Or he'll blame NBC.

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If you've ever asked yourself, what happened to the white supremacist woman that ulti talked about constantly and wanted to fuck so badly?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/alt-right-star-racist-propagandist-has-no-regrets/616725/

You'll be shocked to learn that she had a child out of wedlock, to a non-white father, and has retreated comfortably into privileged life.

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Wow a trump +1 in michigan. Granted it is Trafalgar which is republican led but it was also the most accurate poll of PA down the stretch in 2016 also.

New alaska poll kinda makes it harder to argue alaska being a possible flip in the Senate or presidentially.

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Yeah today was trumps best polling in a month. Not just the Michigan poll but Biden had a national poll only up 5 too.

Oh and an NC tie too.

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Yeah but a Harris poll came up with Biden +9 in Michigan.

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Also true and trafalgar currently has a C rating because while they were good in 2016 they were abysmal in 2018.

Harris is only a C+ btw so that isnt a great poll necessarily either.

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Peace___Frog posted...

If you've ever asked yourself, what happened to the white supremacist woman that ulti talked about constantly and wanted to fuck so badly?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/alt-right-star-racist-propagandist-has-no-regrets/616725/

You'll be shocked to learn that she had a child out of wedlock, to a non-white father, and has retreated comfortably into privileged life.

Gee, almost as if the far right is above all else a money making operation.

Fun fact: shes banned from the UK under the Terror Act.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Also true and trafalgar currently has a C rating because while they were good in 2016 they were abysmal in 2018.

Harris is only a C+ btw so that isnt a great poll necessarily either.

Harris was a +11 anyways not +9 from what I saw.

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I have no idea why people think the debt thing is such a big deal. I think people doing that don't live in real life or something. Having debt is pretty normal.

Like, I guess they are reporting he has over a billion dollars worth of debt. And, I still can't figure out why this matters at all lol.

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I would be shocked if he didn't have hundreds of millions at least in debt. When he opened Trump Taj Mahal, on opening day the casino already had so much debt that it would have needed to generate greater income than any casino in the world had ever done just to make the interest payments. Trump really believes in borrowing money as a way of doing business.

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Corrik7 posted...

I have no idea why people think the debt thing is such a big deal. I think people doing that don't live in real life or something. Having debt is pretty normal.

Like, I guess they are reporting he has over a billion dollars worth of debt. And, I still can't figure out why this matters at all lol.

Are you talking Trump?

Because its very possible hes actually worth negative dollars while trying to proclaim himself a billionaire.

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You don't understand how a billion dollars of debt, or 1,000,000,000 dollars in other words is a big deal? Really?

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Being in potentially billion dollars of debt to(likely) foreign entities while simultaneously also being the leader of a country and you can't figure out why that matters? Conflict of interest? National security?

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He has assets too. He has a ton of high quality real estate (probably much of it is used to secure the debt). But the thing about real estate is, thanks to 1031 exchanges, as long as you continue to invest in real estate, even if you sell a particular building, you never ever realize your gains as income on a tax return. So it's not particularly surprising that he never shows income on taxes, it just means he's really good at converting regular taxable income into nontaxable unrealized real estate capital gains.

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Accountant partner laughs at above statement btw.

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It's really quite unfair. If you sell Apple stock for a gain and buy Microsoft, say, you have to pay capital gains tax on the Apple gains right away. But if you sell real estate and reinvest the money in another piece of real estate, you get to defer your tax. And if you sell the second property and buy a third property - again you can defer the tax. Ad inifinitum.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Accountant partner laughs at above statement btw.

Care to explain?

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'He is committing obvious fraud by lying about property values and business revenue'

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Which is usually game for the rich. But half the country wants to kick his ass and many or those people can uncover those skeletons

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

'He is committing obvious fraud by lying about property values and business revenue'

That may be true, but it doesn't contradict what I said.

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red sox 777 posted...

He has assets too. He has a ton of high quality real estate (probably much of it is used to secure the debt). But the thing about real estate is, thanks to 1031 exchanges, as long as you continue to invest in real estate, even if you sell a particular building, you never ever realize your gains as income on a tax return. So it's not particularly surprising that he never shows income on taxes, it just means he's really good at converting regular taxable income into nontaxable unrealized real estate capital gains.

I was factoring in his assets in my assessment that he is worth negative dollars.

We know he has debt on top of debt on top of debt.

He hasn't released enough public information to say for certain but its very possible he has negative net worth. Possibly negative billions of net worth.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You don't understand how a billion dollars of debt, or 1,000,000,000 dollars in other words is a big deal? Really?

Chris, probably half the people here have more debt to value ratio than him. If not more.

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red13n posted...

Are you talking Trump?

Because its very possible hes actually worth negative dollars while trying to proclaim himself a billionaire.

The NYT article claiming he has over a billion in debt claims he also has over at least 3.5 billion in assets. That's not even close to negative. It would put his debt to value ratio at like 33%. Which isn't too bad at all.

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Corrik7 posted...

Chris, probably half the people here have more debt to value ratio than him. If not more.

I dont think so

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red13n posted...

I was factoring in his assets in my assessment that he is worth negative dollars.

We know he has debt on top of debt on top of debt.

He hasn't released enough public information to say for certain but its very possible he has negative net worth. Possibly negative billions of net worth.

It's possible. He's released so little info it's hard to know.

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Corrik7 posted...

The NYT article claiming he has over a billion in debt claims he also has over at least 3.5 billion in assets. That's not even close to negative. It would put his debt to value ratio at like 33%. Which isn't too bad at all.

From what I've been reading, Trump has made some weird assessments on the values of his property based on some crazy valuations of his name as a brand itself.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I dont think so

As much as people cry about student loans in this topic? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of yinz are underwater.

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I own two homes and all my cars.

I have about $8k in student loans and that's about it.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I own two homes and all my cars.

I have about $8k in student loans and that's about it.

Trump would argue you aren't leveraging your worth with debt to get richer. lol.

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How many times would any of us be allowed to declare bankruptcy

Who's richer? The guy with $100,000 in the bank and no debt, or the guy with $3 billion in assets and $4 billion in debt? If you are measuring by lifestyle, it's almost certainly going to be the latter.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Gee, almost as if the far right is above all else a money making operation.

Fun fact: shes banned from the UK under the Terror Act.

Lmao Ulti is exactly the type of person that article depicts as being a creepy aggressive stalker too.


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PerfectChaosZ posted...

How many times would any of us be allowed to declare bankruptcy

Probably once per business you own since the business is filing bankruptcy not you.

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red sox 777 posted...

Who's richer? The guy with $100,000 in the bank and no debt, or the guy with $3 billion in assets and $4 billion in debt? If you are measuring by lifestyle, it's almost certainly going to be the latter.

$100000 and no debt is richer than 1 billion in debt.

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red13n posted...

$100000 and no debt is richer than 1 billion in debt.

In that case, the US government, with something like 20 trillion in debt, must be the poorest person on earth.

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red sox 777 posted...

In that case, the US government, with something like 20 trillion in debt, must be the poorest person on earth.

The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269.6 trillion (1576% of GDP) and debts of $145.8 trillion (852% of GDP) to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion (723% of GDP)[a] as of Q1 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States

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